GPU prices sadden me

[Champion of Sparta]

I miss the days when the 70 series was $400, and the 780s were $400....now they are double that.

[Champion of Sparta]

Yay, cards that roughly cost the same and perform the same as the 1080 TI, I bought for $450 back in 2017.......

[Bad 💀 Motha]

RTX 3060 Ti are around 289 and stomp the guts out a 1080 Ti.

WTF you smoking?

[Champion of Sparta]

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RTX 3060 Ti are around 289 and stomp the guts out a 1080 Ti.

WTF you smoking?

Cyberpunk 2077
1080 TI: 27fps
3060 TI: 35fps

Assassins Creed Valhalla
1080TI: 43fps
3060 TI: 48fps

Far cry 6
1080TI: 42fps
3060TI: 54fps

Hitman
1080TI: 66fps
3060TI: 77fps

link to my reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrK9Z8R-knA

Im not bashing you, your looking at 1080p numbers. Problem is, I don't play on 1080p. 3440x1440 is my resolution. At ultrawide 1440p the 3060 ti isnt even worth looking at for an upgrade. *granted performance will be tad bit better than 4k, but not justifiable. Also just looked at the prices, and what are you smoking? Those prices are for refurbished, the cheapest NEW 3060 TI on amazon is $326 and that is on a temporary sale right now...average prices are still around $400 mark. I am not paying $400 for what is barely a 11 fps increase.

[r.linder]

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RTX 3060 Ti are around 289 and stomp the guts out a 1080 Ti.

WTF you smoking?

You're comparing an x60 tier GPU to an x80 tier flagship that came out two product generations prior, I would freaking hope it would match that. And that wasn't even the topic, it's that pricing for GPUs have massively inflated over the last 6 years, more-so the higher end you go. What a flagship cost us in 2016 is now the price of a mid range card and most people can't even afford the high end anymore.

So my question for you is, what are you smoking?

GTX 1080 Ti had an MSRP of $700, the RTX 4080 has an MSRP of $1200 and the RTX 4090 has an MSRP of $1600. Do you understand now what OP is trying to say about GPU prices? It's not about the relative performance, it's that the performance a lot of people want has become out of reach because NVIDIA keeps moving the goalpost higher every 2 years whereas AMD's pricing has hardly changed.

[Champion of Sparta]

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RTX 3060 Ti are around 289 and stomp the guts out a 1080 Ti.

WTF you smoking?

You're comparing an x60 tier GPU to an x80 tier flagship that came out two product generations prior, I would freaking hope it would match that. And that wasn't even the topic, it's that pricing for GPUs have massively inflated over the last 6 years, more-so the higher end you go. What a flagship cost us in 2016 is now the price of a mid range card and most people can't even afford the high end anymore.

So my question for you is, what are you smoking?

Im smoking the good stuff. Dont know about you. But we are talking 3 product generations now. Let me help you count, 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000....whats 4000 - 3000 = 1000.....

Lets go back in time shall we, the difference between a mere 3 generations. GTX 680 vs GTX 1050...THEY ARE THE SAME. That is how its supposed to be 680, 770, 960, 1050.

(reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnOk5xhaUbM)

I would not be complaining right now if I didnt have a point. GTX 1080TI, GTX 2070 TI (didn't exist), RTX 3060 TI, at this point, every 3rd generation after purchase is usually when somebody upgrades, because by then...its actually worth it...but what did Nvidia do...they released the 4060 ti. A card that is actually a little bit worse than the 3060 ti. What did they do next you ask? They astronomically raised prices of the RTX 4000 series screwing up the entire buying process. By now I should of been able to find a worthy successor for $400, but thanks to Nvidia...no such thing has actually happened... I am not trying to be insulting here. But you make zero point.

[Champion of Sparta]

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RTX 3060 Ti are around 289 and stomp the guts out a 1080 Ti.

WTF you smoking?

You're comparing an x60 tier GPU to an x80 tier flagship that came out two product generations prior, I would freaking hope it would match that. And that wasn't even the topic, it's that pricing for GPUs have massively inflated over the last 6 years, more-so the higher end you go. What a flagship cost us in 2016 is now the price of a mid range card and most people can't even afford the high end anymore.

So my question for you is, what are you smoking?

GTX 1080 Ti had an MSRP of $700, the RTX 4080 has an MSRP of $1200 and the RTX 4090 has an MSRP of $1600. Do you understand now what OP is trying to say about GPU prices? It's not about the relative performance, it's that the performance a lot of people want has become out of reach because NVIDIA keeps moving the goalpost higher every 2 years whereas AMD's pricing has hardly changed.

Not going to lie, I am now WILDLY confused about you, at first it seemed like you were arguing with me, now it seems like you were defending me? If it is the former I apologize about my previous post.

[r.linder]

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You're comparing an x60 tier GPU to an x80 tier flagship that came out two product generations prior, I would freaking hope it would match that. And that wasn't even the topic, it's that pricing for GPUs have massively inflated over the last 6 years, more-so the higher end you go. What a flagship cost us in 2016 is now the price of a mid range card and most people can't even afford the high end anymore.

So my question for you is, what are you smoking?

Im smoking the good stuff. Dont know about you. But we are talking 3 product generations now. Let me help you count, 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000....whats 4000 - 3000 = 1000.....

Lets go back in time shall we, the difference between a mere 3 generations. GTX 680 vs GTX 1050...THEY ARE THE SAME. That is how its supposed to be 680, 770, 960, 1050.

(reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnOk5xhaUbM)

I would not be complaining right now if I didnt have a point. GTX 1080TI, GTX 2070 TI (didn't exist), RTX 3060 TI, at this point, every 3rd generation after purchase is usually when somebody upgrades, because by then...its actually worth it...but what did Nvidia do...they released the 4060 ti. A card that is actually a little bit worse than the 3060 ti. What did they do next you ask? They astronomically raised prices of the RTX 4000 series screwing up the entire buying process. By now I should of been able to find a worthy successor for $400, but thanks to Nvidia...no such thing has actually happened... I am not trying to be insulting here. But you make zero point.

I was responding to Bad Motha, hence the quote being on him, not you ._. definitely are smoking something good, the point I was making was that he was trying to compare two different GPU tiers entirely as if things have improved, when in reality flagship pricing has inflated beyond what NVIDIA claims is because of cost.

One of NVIDIA's AI GPUs sells for 30K but it only costs 3K to produce.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yes it's not a HUGE bump in some games but still when you go and compare more then just FPS you will see. Plus yea it's only a xx60 so what do you expect. But you still will have access to RTX features, DLSS 2.x and such. Overall it's not bad, especially when comparing performance versus power efficiency.

You may have gotten 1080 Ti at some point for under 500, but that's not what they launched at. But then again the 3060 and 3060 Ti were much closer to 400+ not too long ago.

What sucks though is how poorly the 4060 is. You can't even step into RTX 40 family with good performance and features without looking at 4070 and above, which starts at around 500$USD

Overall I'm not going to justify pricing cause yes it has definitely gotten out of hand. But overall I was just comparing 1080 Ti to others like OP was going on above, as if there isn't a worthy enough jump.

Also IDK why people would look at 1080 Ti or 3060 Ti 4K performance, that's not what their aim was at any point in time and they should have never been purchased for doing that. Can they do 4K sure but not at 60+ FPS. And it's not realistic to ever think so.

In many games however you will be lucky to get 50-70 FPS at 1080p with a 1080 Ti while a 3060 Ti could dish out at least 80-90 or more with same or even better visual settings and could boost higher if you factor in DLSS. Something the GTX can't do. GTX can still do FSR but FSR overall is terrible to even consider let alone look at.

[Champion of Sparta]

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Yes it's not a HUGE bump in some games but still when you go and compare more then just FPS you will see. Plus yea it's only a xx60 so what do you expect. But you still will have access to RTX features, DLSS 2.x and such. Overall it's not bad, especially when comparing performance versus power efficiency.

You may have gotten 1080 Ti at some point for under 500, but that's not what they launched at. But then again the 3060 and 3060 Ti were much closer to 400+ not too long ago.

What sucks though is how poorly the 4060 is. You can't even step into RTX 40 family with good performance and features without looking at 4070 and above, which starts at around 500$USD

Overall I'm not going to justify pricing cause yes it has definitely gotten out of hand. But overall I was just comparing 1080 Ti to others like OP was going on above, as if there isn't a worthy enough jump.

Also IDK why people would look at 1080 Ti or 3060 Ti 4K performance, that's not what their aim was at any point in time and they should have never been purchased for doing that. Can they do 4K sure but not at 60+ FPS. And it's not realistic to ever think so.

In many games however you will be lucky to get 50-70 FPS at 1080p with a 1080 Ti while a 3060 Ti could dish out at least 80-90 or more with same or even better visual settings and could boost higher if you factor in DLSS. Something the GTX can't do. GTX can still do FSR but FSR overall is terrible to even consider let alone look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGyba6E-Gfs

Im not going to lie, I am old school. If I buy a gpu, I do not care about the AI ENHANCEMENT. That is not what I am buying it for, I am buying it for the raw power. DLSS and amd's FSR both have artifacting which I am not going to lie...not a fan of. The 3060 TI on average is only 10 fps faster than my 1080 TI. I do not know, where you are getting your numbers from. But every video I have watched so far shows similar results to my findings.

Also about your point about 4k. 1080TI launched as THE 4K card. For the time that is. Hell, I primarily play Warthunder, and on the highest settings (grass and ssaa x4 turned off) I get 115 fps on average at 3440x1440. I realize its a older game, but it was popular then and still is now. At the time I was playing warthunder at 3440x1440 and I still am going at it.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ok old games I see.

Then what's the point of looking for a new gpu.

Unless that 1080 Ti up and dies you won't need one anytime soon for old games like WarThunder that can run 200 fps at 1080p on a potato PC

[Champion of Sparta]

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Ok old games I see.

Then what's the point of looking for a new gpu.

Unless that 1080 Ti up and dies you won't need one anytime soon for old games like WarThunder that can run 200 fps at 1080p on a potato PC

Well honestly its primarely for SSAA X4. Ya see I am as blind as a bat. So the more visually smooth it is the better. SSAA X4 is 4x the monitors resolution squezzed into my monitor. It makes Anti Aliasing look pathetic. Imagine 8k on a 12 in screen kinda smooth. Problem being though, my fps tanks to 30 when enabled. So I have just been waiting on a gpu to come along that could play it at the same settings with SSAA X4 on at 100 fps.....and if Nvidia wouldve done there job....it would actually of been affordable by now.

[Komarimaru]

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Im not bashing you, your looking at 1080p numbers. Problem is, I don't play on 1080p. 3440x1440 is my resolution. At ultrawide 1440p the 3060 ti isnt even worth looking at for an upgrade. *granted performance will be tad bit better than 4k, but not justifiable. Also just looked at the prices, and what are you smoking? Those prices are for refurbished, the cheapest NEW 3060 TI on amazon is $326 and that is on a temporary sale right now...average prices are still around $400 mark. I am not paying $400 for what is barely a 11 fps increase.

Good point, but oddly the 3060ti pulls ahead, the higher the resolution. The 1080Ti was oddly a fluke that generation, a fear release. I loved mine. Alas, had to let it go when newer tech came.

Though, people forgot, it was also $699 on release. Why people were happy for generation 30, since 3080 were $700 on launch, minus miner bots buying them.

[r.linder]

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-ti-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/intel-core-i9-10900k-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz/

https://www.gpucheck.com/compare/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3060-vs-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/intel-core-i9-10900k-vs-intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz/

The way things are trending, it feels like every other generation from NVIDIA has been mostly dogass, at least since GTX 10 series, which was insanely good for the time and still holds up pretty well 7 years later, then RTX 20 series was an absolute meme, RTX 30 series was the jump people wanted 20 series to be, and then 40 series below the flagship was pretty underwhelming at best, infuriating at worst. It feels like it goes up and down every generation, so who knows, maybe RTX 50 series won't be a total nightmare. Probably have higher prices again though.

If the 4060 and 4060 Ti were actually 15~20% over their previous generation counterparts without AI trickery, then this generation wouldn't have been terrible considering they lowered power consumption to get what they got with the 4060 series, if they had done that and gave a half decent uplift, then it would be blowing minds and people would be singing praise for Jensen. But they decided to be stupid and waste everyone's time who were waiting for those cards.
To give them credit, they did kind of get there with the 4060, but they made the mistake of downgrading the card in multiple ways which ultimately hurt its performance, because it would've demolished the 4060 Ti, which in quite a few cases is just as fast, if not slower, than the 3060 Ti, pretty hilariously.
But if we had gotten a 4060 12GB and a single 4060 Ti with 12GB, then the lower end wouldn't have been such a hilarious disappointment.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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Ok old games I see.

Then what's the point of looking for a new gpu.

Unless that 1080 Ti up and dies you won't need one anytime soon for old games like WarThunder that can run 200 fps at 1080p on a potato PC

Well honestly its primarely for SSAA X4. Ya see I am as blind as a bat. So the more visually smooth it is the better. SSAA X4 is 4x the monitors resolution squezzed into my monitor. It makes Anti Aliasing look pathetic. Imagine 8k on a 12 in screen kinda smooth. Problem being though, my fps tanks to 30 when enabled. So I have just been waiting on a gpu to come along that could play it at the same settings with SSAA X4 on at 100 fps.....and if Nvidia wouldve done there job....it would actually of been affordable by now.

You're talking about one game. Very few have SSAA

Forgot that. Just enable NVIDIA DSR and enable the 5K screen res (4.00X 1440p = 5760) apply, and switch to that and see what kind of clarity and FPS you get in Warthunder. Just be sure to change the OS Desktop screen res before attempting to change game screen res.

If that FPS is too low for your. Go into NVIDIA Control Panel and change the Anti-Aliasing to Over-ride + 8X + 8X Super Sample

[Rod]

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Well honestly its primarely for SSAA X4. Ya see I am as blind as a bat. So the more visually smooth it is the better. SSAA X4 is 4x the monitors resolution squezzed into my monitor. It makes Anti Aliasing look pathetic. Imagine 8k on a 12 in screen kinda smooth. Problem being though, my fps tanks to 30 when enabled. So I have just been waiting on a gpu to come along that could play it at the same settings with SSAA X4 on at 100 fps.....and if Nvidia wouldve done there job....it would actually of been affordable by now.

You're talking about one game. Very few have SSAA

Forgot that. Just enable NVIDIA DSR and enable the 5K screen res (4.00X 1440p = 5760) apply, and switch to that and see what kind of clarity and FPS you get in Warthunder. Just be sure to change the OS Desktop screen res before attempting to change game screen res.

If that FPS is too low for your. Go into NVIDIA Control Panel and change the Anti-Aliasing to Over-ride + 8X + 8X Super Sample

DLDSR would maybe be a better choice with 3440x1440 dldsr 2.25x would really help imagine aliasing. I feel exactly the same that the clarity suits better than the special fx in these games.


When using them you want a top end gpu, A 4090 will give good fps in warthunder at 5k dsr or dldsr. Warthunder has groubd sea and air hi res dlc etc its not really an old game technically. Indeed you could spend 4k easily on a Wartunder pc to get 5k ultrawide 120fps.