A10 7870k or 7850k?

[Big Boned Lizzo]

im just wondering which is better to replace my A10 6700

[Big Boned Lizzo]

引用自 Rove：

R9 380 would be a massive performance boost. It will need a 500W PSU at minimum. You should also make sure it has the correct PCIe connectors and is at least 80 Plus certified.

Your current APU's integrated graphics are ideal with DDR3-1866 or faster in dual channel mode. Your RAM is slower than ideal and may also be running in single channel mode, thus the poor performance with integrated graphics.

You might be interested to get 2*8GB (16GB) DDR3-1866 or DDR3-2133 first and install that and try out your integrated graphics to see if that improves things beyond your current graphics card. Also it is probably possible to run your current grpahics card in "Crossfire" with your integrated graphics. That may already be enabled but you should check to make sure. Crossfire would give you the power of both graphics cards combined.

Save your other 50 GBP till you get the graphics card, then worry about getting a new CPU or a SSD or whatever else depending on what you think needs the performance boost the most.

Here's few options:

Get the new CPU, RAM, GPU, PSU just like you planned plus a new case which I assume you *may* need to fit the new larger GPU:

AMD Athlon X4 860K 3.7GHz Quad-Core Processor
Kingston HyperX Fury Red 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Thermaltake Versa H24 ATX Mid Tower Case
Asus Radeon R9 380X 4GB Video Card
Deepcool 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/sX48hM
Total: £390.98

OR get a new 1TB SSHD for a faster drive with good storage instead of the CPU:

Kingston HyperX Fury Red 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Seagate 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive
Thermaltake Versa H24 ATX Mid Tower Case
Asus Radeon R9 380X 4GB Video Card
Deepcool 550W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/sX48hM
Total: £389.99

Alternatively get a 240 to 256 GB SSD for a super fast boot drive to really speed up your systems drive but add less storage. Can also substitute the CPU for any other $60 or less upgrades you might want.

OR spend it all to get the nicest graphics possible plus RAM, PSU & case (start with RAM and case):

Kingston HyperX Fury Red 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card
Thermaltake Versa H24 ATX Mid Tower Case
Deepcool 750W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Jp7Ypg
Total: £396.24

Again whichever thing you get I'm suggestiong get the RAM and the case first. You probably need the new case to fit the new GPU. Though it would be possible to find a shorter R9 380 (not 380X or 390 though) that fits your case. Also the new case probably has better cooling than your current case. If you already have a gaming case maybe I'm wrong to recommend it but from the sounds of it you have a prebuilt PC probably with a crappy case and crappy PSU both of which should be replaced. Feel free to ignore this if I'm wrong.

Anyways then you can start using your integrated graphics better and crossfire them with your current card. There's honestly not that much improvemnt in getting a new CPU for you right now which is why I'm suggesting you consider spending the money marked for that later when you are buying the graphics card. That way you can decide to spend it on something else instead like a SSHD, SSD or better graphics. Those (in my opinion) are a better investment.

thanks for the options really helpful. when ive checked for r9 390 its saying the apu will bottleneck it thats why im thiking of 380. the case is quite big and for the graphics its 28cm+ so im guessing it will fit fine. the cooling is okay stays at under 50 degrees celsius. ive had a whole fustrating mess with crossfire. people saying its not compatable and when i have tried bios doesnt have the option or crimson

also when i check my system on control panel it says i have radeon hd 7000 series when its a 8470, i dont get it

also will the sshd fit?

[Rove]

The SSHD will fit the case I picked. As for would it fit your current case? Yes if you have a spare 3.5 inch drive bay for it to slide into it would fit that also.

The R9 390 8GB *may* be bottlenecked by your APU for certain things but will still be better than the R9 380 4GB for most anything (though either may max a lot of stuff out so you won't notice). The biggest benefit to the R9 390 is that it will provide better for the future and more upgrade options for more years. Like if you want to get a real CPU upgrade (one that actually means something in terms of performance) like to a AMD 8 core, maybe when AMD Zen comes out or to Intel i7 6 core or whatever they have in a few years. The R9 390 will just last longer as you keep upgrading the machine. Assuming you DO keep upgrading the machine you will upgrade your CPU in a few years even if you don't upgrade it right now and when you upgrade in a few years it will probably be to one that's at least twice as good as what you have now.

For the graphics you may still need a new case, the R9 390 is over 12 inches, 305mm. So that sounds too big for your case. The R9 380X I recommended is under 280mm though.

Also I just wanted to point out that I was recommending the R9 380X instead of the R9 380. The difference is that the R9 380X comes standard with 4GB RAM (R( 380 only has 2GB standard though 4GB custom models are available) and has about 15% more performance. To put that another way the R9 380 has 3500~ GFLOPS while the R( 380X has 4000~ GFLOPS.

The R9 390 meanwhile has way more RAM and 5120 GFLOPS processing power.

If you do want to have money left over though the R9 380, 2GB or 4GB if it's near to the 2GB in price, is the best value per in money per GFLOP between the 3 of them. You can get a 2GB model for only 150 GBP and a a 4GB model (recommended) for only 160 GBP last I checked. That could save you some cash if you would rather.

As for crossfire and what your control panel says:
Crossfire will only be possible with the monitor plugged into the motherboard instead of the graphics card I think. Also it's possible that your current HD 8470 is NOT supported for crossfire with the integrated graphics though I thought since it's a rebranded HD 6450 (pretty much) it should be.

You may have plugged monitor to motherboard and that's why control panel says it or it may just be a bug. Use DXdiag and it should show your current graphics card correctly.

You can also tell which one you are using just by looking behind the machine and seeing if the monitor is plugged into the motherboard (integrated graphics from the APU) or the graphics card itself. Whichever it's plugged into it will be using that.

[Big Boned Lizzo]

引用自 Rove：

The SSHD will fit the case I picked. As for would it fit your current case? Yes if you have a spare 3.5 inch drive bay for it to slide into it would fit that also.

The R9 390 8GB *may* be bottlenecked by your APU for certain things but will still be better than the R9 380 4GB for most anything (though either may max a lot of stuff out so you won't notice). The biggest benefit to the R9 390 is that it will provide better for the future and more upgrade options for more years. Like if you want to get a real CPU upgrade (one that actually means something in terms of performance) like to a AMD 8 core, maybe when AMD Zen comes out or to Intel i7 6 core or whatever they have in a few years. The R9 390 will just last longer as you keep upgrading the machine. Assuming you DO keep upgrading the machine you will upgrade your CPU in a few years even if you don't upgrade it right now and when you upgrade in a few years it will probably be to one that's at least twice as good as what you have now.

For the graphics you may still need a new case, the R9 390 is over 12 inches, 305mm. So that sounds too big for your case. The R9 380X I recommended is under 280mm though.

Also I just wanted to point out that I was recommending the R9 380X instead of the R9 380. The difference is that the R9 380X comes standard with 4GB RAM (R( 380 only has 2GB standard though 4GB custom models are available) and has about 15% more performance. To put that another way the R9 380 has 3500~ GFLOPS while the R( 380X has 4000~ GFLOPS.

The R9 390 meanwhile has way more RAM and 5120 GFLOPS processing power.

If you do want to have money left over though the R9 380, 2GB or 4GB if it's near to the 2GB in price, is the best value per in money per GFLOP between the 3 of them. You can get a 2GB model for only 150 GBP and a a 4GB model (recommended) for only 160 GBP last I checked. That could save you some cash if you would rather.

my case is weird it doest have hard drive bays its just mounted on a bit of metal on its side. the 390 would be too much because i do like the idea of an sshd. i can get a new cpu(athlon) gpu(380) psu ram and an sshd for my budget so i might go for that then later get a new motherboard and cpu.

[Rove]

I might suggest trying to get a new case into the budget just because yours is probably not made to cool a 190W GPU like the R9 380 and also what you said about the drives.

[Big Boned Lizzo]

引用自 Rove：

I might suggest trying to get a new case into the budget just because yours is probably not made to cool a 190W GPU like the R9 380 and also what you said about the drives.

so what could i expect gameplay wise from this:

athlon x4 860k -CPU
r9 380 4gb -GPU
aahd3-vc -motherboard
hyper-x 16gb -ram
750w corsair -PSU

[Rove]

Would be pretty good but strongly urge you not to replace the A10-6700 and test with all the other parts to see if it's good enough. might be no point to getting the Athlon 860K.
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You can only view 60 FPS on standard 60 Hz monitor.

[vadim]

引用自 Readrd：

so what could i expect gameplay wise from this:

athlon x4 860k -CPU
r9 380 4gb -GPU
aahd3-vc -motherboard
hyper-x 16gb -ram
750w corsair -PSU

Nothing good. Low-end CPU will not be able efficiently use high amount of RAM and upper-middle class graphics.

[Mystic Referee]

Unfortunately the negativity is true right now. The best AMD CPU, the Fx-9590, is a mid range processor even overlooked.

If you're going to upgrade I'd actually wait to see what the next Gen CPUS are gonna look like at the end of the year.

[_I_]

引用自 vadim：

引用自 Readrd：

so what could i expect gameplay wise from this:

athlon x4 860k -CPU
r9 380 4gb -GPU
aahd3-vc -motherboard
hyper-x 16gb -ram
750w corsair -PSU

Nothing good. Low-end CPU will not be able efficiently use high amount of RAM and upper-middle class graphics.

agreed
the apu will hold back any dedicated gpu more than a gtx750 or r7 370

the a10 is not any better than other apu quad choices
it has its own gpu, but thats still nowhere near a dedicated card

[Fluffy]

while i agree theres no point in "upgrading" to a 860k because its not an upgrade.. i dont agree hes limited to a 750 or less... a 750ti for example would be fine on that system even as high as a 950 would be ok

[Mystic Referee]

I have a Phenom II x4 955. Which is close enough to the 860k. Basically, you can expect to play anything that isn't moderately CPU intensive. But it's a low end CPU and will not perform over a low-end load. I"m going to swap mine out in a month or so.

Basically, a 860k is a great for a beginners gaming rig. It's cheap and won't die. Has some heat issues but most AMD CPUs do. It's not an enthusiasts CPU tho, and if you're planning on using it for such, you won't.

[Big Boned Lizzo]

引用自 Rove：

Would be pretty good but strongly urge you not to replace the A10-6700 and test with all the other parts to see if it's good enough. might be no point to getting the Athlon 860K.
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You can only view 60 FPS on standard 60 Hz monitor.

im trying to see what apu graphics are like but i only get 1 fps when its meant to be better than the dedicated gpu i have. why is this?

[Big Boned Lizzo]

i really dont know what do know

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

If you have a dedicated graphics card you could go with the Athlon 860K since that's somewhat cheaper because it lack integrated graphics card.

All of those processors are slow though. I doubt you'll be all that happy with an upgrade.

A10 7870K + a R9 390 is a complete waste, replace both motherboard and processor if you're going to get a graphics card like that. New graphics cards may just be 2-3 months away though. (New APUs may just be one month away but for a different socket.)

The motherboard seem to be of Micro-ATX size.

I'd suggest selling the one you have and get a used i5 2500, i7 2700K, i7 3770K, i5 4460, i5 4690K, i7 4770K, i7 4790K or buy a new i3 6100 or better like the i5 6500 or i5 6600K or such and then use whatever graphics card you want like the GTX 750Ti, 950, R9 380, GTX 970, R9 390, Fury Nano, 980Ti with that but maybe more likely wait for a new generation and get one of those.

An A10 processor likely cost more than a used i5 2500K with motherboard? Or about the same and the later is better.
If you just get a used motherboard and processor though your case may just hold Micro-ATX motherboards. If you sell the machine and get something else then that's less of a problem.

The A10 may not be worth much used but then again you don't need to pay much for a used i3 or i5 system either so ..

[Aliquis Freedom & Ethnopluralism]

引用自 Kid Ayy：

I have a Phenom II x4 955. Which is close enough to the 860k. Basically, you can expect to play anything that isn't moderately CPU intensive. But it's a low end CPU and will not perform over a low-end load. I"m going to swap mine out in a month or so.

Basically, a 860k is a great for a beginners gaming rig. It's cheap and won't die. Has some heat issues but most AMD CPUs do. It's not an enthusiasts CPU tho, and if you're planning on using it for such, you won't.

I guess in the case of a used system getting a Phenom II X6 1100T would be somewhat tolerable too, at-least it's a step up, but it's not really recommended.