4090s will be in short supply for the next 2 years

[River]

Is this true?

Just asking not looking to sell.

[DOOMed]

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if taiwan were to be completely destroyed, manufacturing of modern consumer electronics would be set back by up to two whole decades because they are so heavily involved with pretty much every major tech corporation in the world like apple, amd, nvidia, etc.

literally everything would become far more expensive until the industry recovers

tsmc is also based in taiwan, losing tsmc would destroy amd for quite some time

Not to mention the amount of rare metals in this region, that are more easily accessible through the cheap labour already mentioned.

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basically everything to do with computer and console gaming would skyrocket in market value if the means of producing them are set back years or lost completely, it would all become a luxury afforded by far fewer people

but to be fair it could affect the global economy enough that it would create a situation as bad if not worse than the great depression if the rippling effect throughout is bad enough

2000$ for a 4090 would be considered dirt cheap

[DOOMed]

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I think it's far more likely that if China did invade, Taiwan would be devastated by strikes from the US. Yes, they hold manufacturing capability, in the finished product, and the US won't give that up easily.

probably wouldn't matter anyway because if any conflict is going to spark a third world war, it's going to be between china and taiwan because corporations all over the world depend on taiwan, global economy would face devastating consequences if the means of production are ruined

so at all costs is definitive, regardless of what they do, because it's either they fight for taiwan or they let china become so powerful that they dominate the global economy even more

I don't think so. WWIII is already brewing and it has nothing to do with Taiwan. It is far more a theological battle between Christianity and Islam. Based on current trends.

I don't dispute that Taiwan/China is a secondary concern. But right now, it is America and it's behaviour towards other powers that garners the most concern.

[DOOMed]

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basically everything to do with computer and console gaming would skyrocket in market value if the means of producing them are set back years or lost completely, it would all become a luxury afforded by far fewer people

but to be fair it could affect the global economy enough that it would create a situation as bad if not worse than the great depression if the rippling effect throughout is bad enough

2000$ for a 4090 would be considered dirt cheap

That was the going price not long ago...

[DOOMed]

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basically everything to do with computer and console gaming would skyrocket in market value if the means of producing them are set back years or lost completely, it would all become a luxury afforded by far fewer people

but to be fair it could affect the global economy enough that it would create a situation as bad if not worse than the great depression if the rippling effect throughout is bad enough

2000$ for a 4090 would be considered dirt cheap

Peiople will wait for markets to settle, they won't wait while unrest turns their streets into warzones.

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probably wouldn't matter anyway because if any conflict is going to spark a third world war, it's going to be between china and taiwan because corporations all over the world depend on taiwan, global economy would face devastating consequences if the means of production are ruined

so at all costs is definitive, regardless of what they do, because it's either they fight for taiwan or they let china become so powerful that they dominate the global economy even more

I don't think so. WWIII is already brewing and it has nothing to do with Taiwan. It is far more a theoligal battle between Christianity and Islam. Based on current trends.

I don't dispute that Taiwan/China is a secondary concern. But right now, it is America and it's behaviour towards other powers that garners the most concern.

nah with how valuable of a resource taiwan is, it's far more likely to be a factor in sparking world war three than pointless religious squabbles, because economy is far more important to the world than theology and more countries are willing to fight for economic reasons than religious reasons.

the current trend is israel vs palestine but it'll blow over the same as russia vs ukraine, neither conflict will come anywhere as close to causing something that devastating as taiwan because none of those countries have nearly as much economic power, most of the world's electronics involve taiwan in some capacity, and it's a monumental industry full of greed and corruption, they won't let taiwan go without a fight.

the world's reliance on taiwan is the main factor that keeps it safe because china knows what the consequences of an invasion will be for them, and they don't want to flip that coin yet. one of the main concerns of russia going after ukraine is that it's a similar situation as china taking taiwan, if china saw russia take ukraine without consequence then they could be less fearful of the west getting involved.

however, the biden administration has also been trying to get more semiconductor facilities in the united states which could also lessen the west's reliance on taiwan and make china more likely to invade, but if it doesn't come anywhere close to the volume and quality that taiwan outputs, the economy will still take a hard blow if taiwan either can't produce anymore or china imposes heavy restrictions/won't sell to us

[DOOMed]

And if they do, and they're not looking at their own governance, then what can you do?

You can only help people so much.

[DOOMed]

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I don't think so. WWIII is already brewing and it has nothing to do with Taiwan. It is far more a theoligal battle between Christianity and Islam. Based on current trends.

I don't dispute that Taiwan/China is a secondary concern. But right now, it is America and it's behaviour towards other powers that garners the most concern.

nah with how valuable of a resource taiwan is, it's far more likely to be a factor in sparking world war three than pointless religious squabbles, because economy is far more important to the world than theology and more countries are willing to fight for economic reasons than religious reasons.

the current trend is israel vs palestine but it'll blow over the same as russia vs ukraine, neither conflict will come anywhere as close to causing something that devastating as taiwan because none of those countries have nearly as much economic power, most of the world's electronics involve taiwan in some capacity, and it's a monumental industry full of greed and corruption, they won't let taiwan go without a fight.

the world's reliance on taiwan is the main factor that keeps it safe because china knows what the consequences of an invasion will be for them, and they don't want to flip that coin yet. one of the main concerns of russia going after ukraine is that it's a similar situation as china taking taiwan, if china saw russia take ukraine without consequence then they could be less fearful of the west getting involved.

however, the biden administration has also been trying to get more semiconductor facilities in the united states which could also lessen the west's reliance on taiwan and make china more likely to invade, but if it doesn't come anywhere close to the volume and quality that taiwan outputs, the economy will still take a hard blow if taiwan either can't produce anymore or china imposes heavy restrictions/won't sell to us

No, you are wrong. Oil is already the cause of countless wars. Who controls it, who supplies, who profits.

Next, is not who controls cpu supplies. It is who controls the 1% of fresh water.

Economics can go ♥♥♥♥ itself as the manmade construct that it is. WW2 has been and gone and it ended in the system that governs tyhe middle east, the most oil rich area in the world.

Welcome tro WW3, where it's the water we fight over.

[Crawl]

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Actually, you should not use the Nvidia's cables that come with the manufacturer's GPU. You want use the cable that come with the PSU. I have 12vhpwr cable from my new Seasonic PSU and it work perfectly.

Yea that's if they have a newer PSU that has one. Most users do not. But yea I agree. If your PSU is not new enough to provide it, I would seriously consider getting newer PSU.

If you already have a good power supply there is no reason to replace it, that's the same crap jayztwocents was spouting back when all this junk started. If the 12vhpwr connector is so bad and such a problem how does using it on both ends and doubling the possible points of failure help you? You don't need new cables, you don't need a new power supply you just need to plug the existing cable in correctly.

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Not true. The cable is badly designed. Why are you defending crap products?

Actually, you should not use the Nvidia's cables that come with the manufacturer's GPU. You want use the cable that come with the PSU. I have 12vhpwr cable from my new Seasonic PSU and it work perfectly.

That why there trust issues with this connector, the cable idea is great, the way they handle it was poor because they could've done it better where shouldn't need to worry about cable melting, it should've resolved not needing worrying about using 3rd party, or not cables, or splitters, and yet that just how it is. It's not a wide issue, but it's something that just happens, and either user error because they didn't jam it hard enough to ensure it all the way in, or bad cable design that melted the port on the gpu. For real with all this money, and R&D with pushing for one cable they would've though about making sure port be easier to deal with no more fear of mistakes.

[Jamebonds1]

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Actually, you should not use the Nvidia's cables that come with the manufacturer's GPU. You want use the cable that come with the PSU. I have 12vhpwr cable from my new Seasonic PSU and it work perfectly.

That why there trust issues with this connector, the cable idea is great, the way they handle it was poor because they could've done it better where shouldn't need to worry about cable melting, it should've resolved not needing worrying about using 3rd party, or not cables, or splitters, and yet that just how it is. It's not a wide issue, but it's something that just happens, and either user error because they didn't jam it hard enough to ensure it all the way in, or bad cable design that melted the port on the gpu. For real with all this money, and R&D with pushing for one cable they would've though about making sure port be easier to deal with no more fear of mistakes.

I remember old EVGA manual warned to never use the 2x molex to PCIe power adapter. Still true for today, but I think the Nvidia requires GPU manufacturers to provide an adapter.

The 12vhpwr adapter that come with my new video card is not Gigabyte brand, but a Nvidia brand.

[Amuro0079]

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You think? Who is the biggest manufacturer of computer components?

One guess.

America may hold the patents.

But the Chinese manufacture.

And despite what you may think, the Chinese are a massive economic power. Bootlegging all the American patents that they can.

Good luck with that guys.

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Here's some news from a Global viewpoint (because I'm not from the US), America doesn't live in a vacuum.

taiwan is the one with the real economic power because china only produces some of the components, everything is completed and assembled in taiwan, and taiwan is an ally of the usa

its just another reason why china wants to take taiwan back, but chances are if they ever invade, their assets will be destroyed either unintentionally as a consequence of war, or intentionally to prevent china from using it if it seems like china's victory is at hand

But TSMC needs raw material from China to produce their chips. China could ban raw material export, then TSMC would have to look for much more expensive alternatives. As for video cards like the 4090, many of them are assembled in China. Asus and MSI have factories in Taiwan so they're probably not affected by the ban as much. Other AIBs will have to move their assembly lines out of China which will take time and will also could drive up cost significantly...5090 will not be cheap, probably carries a $2000 MSRP for the FE.

[Amuro0079]

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I don't think so. WWIII is already brewing and it has nothing to do with Taiwan. It is far more a theoligal battle between Christianity and Islam. Based on current trends.

I don't dispute that Taiwan/China is a secondary concern. But right now, it is America and it's behaviour towards other powers that garners the most concern.

however, the biden administration has also been trying to get more semiconductor facilities in the united states which could also lessen the west's reliance on taiwan and make china more likely to invade, but if it doesn't come anywhere close to the volume and quality that taiwan outputs, the economy will still take a hard blow if taiwan either can't produce anymore or china imposes heavy restrictions/won't sell to us

The Arizona plant you mean? Good luck with hiring sweatshop workers in the U.S.

https://www.asiafinancial.com/high-cost-unmanageable-us-staff-plague-tsmc-in-arizona-nyt

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-says-U.S.-plant-construction-more-costly-than-expected

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/28/phoenix-microchip-plant-biden-union-tsmc

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however, the biden administration has also been trying to get more semiconductor facilities in the united states which could also lessen the west's reliance on taiwan and make china more likely to invade, but if it doesn't come anywhere close to the volume and quality that taiwan outputs, the economy will still take a hard blow if taiwan either can't produce anymore or china imposes heavy restrictions/won't sell to us

The Arizona plant you mean? Good luck with hiring sweatshop workers in the U.S.

https://www.asiafinancial.com/high-cost-unmanageable-us-staff-plague-tsmc-in-arizona-nyt

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-says-U.S.-plant-construction-more-costly-than-expected

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/aug/28/phoenix-microchip-plant-biden-union-tsmc

yeah i know, they tried something similar with foxconn when trump was in office, went about the same route, nobody was showing up to work there so the place got abandoned

just about nobody from the united states is actually willing to work the same jobs as a lot of people work in the east hemisphere, or really anything difficult in general if it doesn't pay six figures, outsourcing the work to other countries is about the only way to do it

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taiwan is the one with the real economic power because china only produces some of the components, everything is completed and assembled in taiwan, and taiwan is an ally of the usa

its just another reason why china wants to take taiwan back, but chances are if they ever invade, their assets will be destroyed either unintentionally as a consequence of war, or intentionally to prevent china from using it if it seems like china's victory is at hand

But TSMC needs raw material from China to produce their chips. China could ban raw material export, then TSMC would have to look for much more expensive alternatives. As for video cards like the 4090, many of them are assembled in China. Asus and MSI have factories in Taiwan so they're probably not affected by the ban as much. Other AIBs will have to move their assembly lines out of China which will take time and will also could drive up cost significantly...5090 will not be cheap, probably carries a $2000 MSRP for the FE.

they could, but they aren't likely to because it would do more harm to china than good for china, they need taiwan too