14th Gen Intel Core CPUs

[Dobke]

Who's planning on getting one, and why?

[Monk]

Your inability to comprehend anything truly is amazing.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Dobke:

Who's planning on getting one, and why?

I'm not.

The earliest I'd be looking at entertaining a platform change is around when the X3D of AMD's next generation comes, and when Intel's next generation/platform come (for reference, I'm on a 5800X3D right now). And I stress earliest, as both of those should be coming relatively soon (well, Zen 5 should but the X3D might be a bit later), so it's more likely the following stuff after that (Zen 6/Zen 6X3D and Intel's 16th generation) which would likely be the earliest. Of which, Intel's stuff should be on its upcoming platform, but no word if Zen 6 will be on AM5. But I don't tend to lock myself into generations or times to upgrade, and just do it when I feel it's worth it, so I'm guesstimating on all that. As a Minecraft player, more CPU is always welcome, so as long as the CPU gains keep coming, and don't nearly stop like they did after I got my Sandy Bridge, I might entertain an earlier change this time. But if they slow down and price/performance doesn't move much, then things won't interest me, and I'm certainly in no rush to need to upgrade from what I have.

The 14th generation comes across as another 11th generation. Or maybe it's another 6th to 7th generation (I remember the 7700 series being called an overclocked 6700 series as well). It brings nothing for most people. Performance goes up, but barely, and price goes up about to match it, so price/performance doesn't move. The only news with them is that the 14700 series gains 4 more e-cores over the 13700 series. With the real next generation so close, I have to wonder why anyone would even bother with them.

Last time this happened with the 11th generation, the following 12th generation was a real boon. Rumors (key word) are saying Intel's next thing might only be a small (~5% or so?) IPC uplift though, which sounds disappointing. But time, and it's not long now, will tell.

Is this next generation (Meteor Lake) going to be Intel's foray into non-monolithic, or is the the one after this upcoming one? Intel's generation pacing has seemed so awkward and I keep losing track. If it is, the small uplift might be expected since they're shifting away from monolithic (Ryzen didn't come of age overnight either). It will interesting to see if Intel encounters any associated growing pains with what that might bring, and if so, if/how people shift their tone on chastising AMD for certain things associated with it. Will be interesting to see some flip-flopping, I'm sure.

I wish Intel the best with these upcoming changes, because I'm hoping come Zen 6/Intel's 16th generation, there's attractive enough gains for to consider an "early" upgrade. Last thing I want to see is things go back to 5% increases year over year.

Originally posted by 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Originally posted by Rod:

And loses to 5800x3d in some titles. Spare a tear for intel.

I'll pass, all they had to do was add more L3 cache, yet the stack still tops out at 36 MB. It's the cache that's making the difference, so if they don't reciprocate, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

After the success AMD has had with it, this is indeed rumored (or maybe even confirmed I believe) to be something Intel is planning to adopt eventually, which interests me. It was making the rounds on some tech websites about a month ago.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-will-adopt-3d-stacked-cache-for-cpus-says-ceo-pat-gelsinger

It also mentions the little cores (e-cores) might be stacked in the future as well, which I'd say is just as noteworthy news. The count of those could really go up?

[A&A]

Originally posted by Monk:

Sure, spend 400 bucks to gain 5% performance on what is statistically likely to be a 1080p 60fps screen so the gains won't even be seen,i honestly don't care if people waste their money, but I will offer informed advice on the pros and cons.

Well, the difference between the i9 13900K and the i9 14900K is €10 (the same way is with the lower classes too), which is fine if we're chasing new builds, or an update from something that's super weak for the needs from the Celeron, Pentium, or even in some cases I3.
Jumping from i7 12700K to i7 14700K is meh? What are we chasing?

[Monk]

Exactly, I feel if your on 12th or 13th it's not worth the money, unless you are chasing every fps possible, but, then you probably have 13900ks already which is all but identical perfirmance wise, if you are on an older cpu, irs a great but, it's a cut price KS.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Originally posted by Dobke:

Who's planning on getting one, and why?

I'm not.

The earliest I'd be looking at entertaining a platform change is around when the X3D of AMD's next generation comes, and when Intel's next generation/platform come (for reference, I'm on a 5800X3D right now). And I stress earliest, as both of those should be coming relatively soon (well, Zen 5 should but the X3D might be a bit later), so it's more likely the following stuff after that (Zen 6/Zen 6X3D and Intel's 16th generation) which would likely be the earliest. Of which, Intel's stuff should be on its upcoming platform, but no word if Zen 6 will be on AM5. But I don't tend to lock myself into generations or times to upgrade, and just do it when I feel it's worth it, so I'm guesstimating on all that. As a Minecraft player, more CPU is always welcome, so as long as the CPU gains keep coming, and don't nearly stop like they did after I got my Sandy Bridge, I might entertain an earlier change this time. But if they slow down and price/performance doesn't move much, then things won't interest me, and I'm certainly in no rush to need to upgrade from what I have.

The 14th generation comes across as another 11th generation. Or maybe it's another 6th to 7th generation (I remember the 7700 series being called an overclocked 6700 series as well). It brings nothing for most people. Performance goes up, but barely, and price goes up about to match it, so price/performance doesn't move. The only news with them is that the 14700 series gains 4 more e-cores over the 13700 series. With the real next generation so close, I have to wonder why anyone would even bother with them.

Last time this happened with the 11th generation, the following 12th generation was a real boon. Rumors (key word) are saying Intel's next thing might only be a small (~5% or so?) IPC uplift though, which sounds disappointing. But time, and it's not long now, will tell.

Is this next generation (Meteor Lake) going to be Intel's foray into non-monolithic, or is the the one after this upcoming one? Intel's generation pacing has seemed so awkward and I keep losing track. If it is, the small uplift might be expected since they're shifting away from monolithic (Ryzen didn't come of age overnight either). It will interesting to see if Intel encounters any associated growing pains with what that might bring, and if so, if/how people shift their tone on chastising AMD for certain things associated with it. Will be interesting to see some flip-flopping, I'm sure.

I wish Intel the best with these upcoming changes, because I'm hoping come Zen 6/Intel's 16th generation, there's attractive enough gains for to consider an "early" upgrade. Last thing I want to see is things go back to 5% increases year over year.

Originally posted by 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

I'll pass, all they had to do was add more L3 cache, yet the stack still tops out at 36 MB. It's the cache that's making the difference, so if they don't reciprocate, they're shooting themselves in the foot.

After the success AMD has had with it, this is indeed rumored (or maybe even confirmed I believe) to be something Intel is planning to adopt eventually, which interests me. It was making the rounds on some tech websites about a month ago.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-will-adopt-3d-stacked-cache-for-cpus-says-ceo-pat-gelsinger

It also mentions the little cores (e-cores) might be stacked in the future as well, which I'd say is just as noteworthy news. The count of those could really go up?

I hope so, cache could make Intel more competitive since it's mainly the X3D SKUs that are giving them a walloping

[ZAP]

It's flattering so many are obsessed with a CPU I have and one I might buy, especially after getting called poor in multiple threads.

[Monk]

Your comprehension is still severely lacking and who called you poor?

[A&A]

Originally posted by ZAP:

It's flattering so many are obsessed with a CPU I have and one I might buy, especially after getting called poor in multiple threads.

It's not a bad thing for a person to have the latest thing, as you got a good motherboard and I guess a good DDR5 RAM too. I showed my point of view and I'm just curious what exactly you see as benefits from this change in your workload.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by A&A ✠:

Originally posted by ZAP:

It's flattering so many are obsessed with a CPU I have and one I might buy, especially after getting called poor in multiple threads.

It's not a bad thing for a person to have the latest thing, as you got a good motherboard and I guess a good DDR5 RAM too. I showed my point of view and I'm just curious what exactly you see as benefits from this change in your workload.

Sure, but it's still stupid to pay 420$ for an average of 7% uplift.

[Lixire]

9900K user here who thought to upgrade to the 14th gen towards a more modern platform. But I'm likely gonna stick with the current setup until Arrow Lake or so.

[N3tRunn3r]

If you guys want to upgrade your DESKTOP machine, wait for Intel's 15th Gen in ~2025.

Mobile and Laptop Devices will already profit with Intel's 14th Gen in ~2024.

[AbedsBrother]

My next cpu will probably be an AMD X3D chip. Still happy w/ an 11th gen i7, so not sure when that upgrade will happen. Definitely won't be 14th gen. I want new pc tech to draw less power for the same performance, not more.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by AbedsBrother:

My next cpu will probably be an AMD X3D chip. Still happy w/ an 11th gen i7, so not sure when that upgrade will happen. Definitely won't be 14th gen. I want new pc tech to draw less power for the same performance, not more.

Same but probably won't be until almost the end of socket AM5, still more than satisfied with my 10th gen i9

[Mailer]

Last time I went to Gen 10, from Gen 3, when Gen 12 was becoming available.

I think it'll take another 5 or 6 generations of Intel CPUs to come out before I even consider upgrading again.
At that point I'm guessing 6c, 12t will become the new bare minimum for one reason or another?

The 14th gen seems largely unimpressive though.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Mailer:

Last time I went to Gen 10, from Gen 3, when Gen 12 was becoming available.

I think it'll take another 5 or 6 generations of Intel CPUs to come out before I even consider upgrading again.
At that point I'm guessing 6c, 12t will become the new bare minimum for one reason or another?

The 14th gen seems largely unimpressive though.

It’s less than 10% over 12th Gen so yeah, it’s a joke