2160p 32 inch monitor vs 27 inch 1440p :: Hardware and Operating Systems

Pocahawtness 2023. okt. 31., 4:22

KrzysiuM eredeti hozzászólása:
Is there a noticeable difference between these monitors in sharp? I'm still considering 32 inch 4k and wonder if it's worth it.

Monitors are very personal.

For work, the high res is great. For games, I just don't think it makes enough of a difference to be worthwhile spending all that money on. And by money I don't mean the cost of the monitor, but the cost of the graphics card to support that higher resolution.

I tried 4K for gaming but moved back to 1440p after a few years.

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 4:35

Schrute_Farms_B&B eredeti hozzászólása:
Dont go for 4K, thats all I can say from a personal standpoint.
Here are my two cents: (and this comes from someone, who changes his GPU every new generation and CPU every second).

I went trough several PC gaming-catergories.

-10/11 years ago, when I started this costly hobby, I was your regular 32inch, 1080p gamer, getting massive FPS in all AAA games but muddy and pixilated textures. Changing to 24inch didnt do much.
You can easily maintain at least 60 FPS for a couple of years with the same GPU on 1080p. I mean look at the GTX1080. A legend when its about 1080p gaming. It lasted and still lasts.

- Stepped up to 1080p, 21:9. Same pixel-ratio on height, but more in width. 30% more GPU-utilization. Wasnt worth the hassle but still an option for folks with a GPU which is too weak for 1440p but "almost" too strong for 1080p. A 6600XT would fit this aspects nowaydays and the extra view in games like F04 and The Witcher 3, made me fall a little bit in love with the 21:9 aspect-ratio.

- Next step was 1440p, 16:9, 27inch. Almost as impressive as experiencing a 144hz monitor for the first time. Crisp and clear textures, even if you put your nose right into it. So here is the place where most people would be satisfied but since were talking about a hobby, and there are a ton of hobbies which will cost you a lot more,....

- ....I had decided to go for 1440p, 21:9, 32inch since the extra view of the 2560x1080 made a huge impression on me. What can I say, The sweetspot and the place I feel home nowadays. ;)
Crispy textures and an extra view on an curved display (I prefer 1000R-1800R).
I dont see much sense on a curved 16:9 display, had a couple of them, but maybe just a personal preference.

- Nevertheless, went for 3840x2160,16:9, 32inch for around 3 years and it was horrible. Not the quality though, no sir, the quality is choice and the textures are even more clear and crisp but it cant be compared to the overwhelming experience of switching from 60hz to 144hz or 1080p to 1440p.
But whats horrible, is the GPU-utilization, which was always at max, even in Indi games without DLSS or FSR but coming to AAA games, my main target area, you just cant maintain 60 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ FPS on the highest settings (not talking about ultra) even if I had the best GPU available on the market, so youve to make a compromise, quality-settings wise. And even then, Ive struggled big time to maintain the holy 55/60FPS limit.
Another downside, 2560X1440p or 1920x1080p downscaled on a 4K monitors looks like sh*t on most models.

Now to DLSS and FSR. First of all, it must be supported by the game, which certainly applies to many games these days ,especially AAA games.
Secondly, DLSS looks way better than FSR, but it still isnt the real deal. Dont get me wrong, Nvdia is still king when its about their upscaling techs, but it began to look like 1440p on a 3840x2160 screen , when DLSS was enabled. (I can talk for the 3080TI, 3090, not DLSS3 and the RTX4000-generation).
FSR (6800XT, 6900XT, 7900XTX/current card) is much worse. Again, I can only talk about my personal feeling and the comments of my friends whove actually played on same/similar setups.

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Short answer: A 4K monitor is cheap, but maintaining the hardware to run it at min. 60FPS is everything but!!!DLSS on 4K looks like 1440p in my eyes, so using DLSS wouldnt make much sense in that case. Looks different if you prefer 30FPS. If thats the case, go for it. Even without DLSS, a reasonable target for a 3080TI.

1440p,16:9, 27inch seems to be the sweet spot for a solid GPU like your 3080TI. You could also go for 1440p, 21:9 and 32inch if you want the extra view but 4K on long term, is not going to get you very far if youre into the same settings/experience like my humble self.

But if you have the money, I mean why not?

I feel quite the same and I'm someone who tends to go for the newest hardware as well, but 4K was a bit too much for me. My 3090TI runs like a charm on 3440x1440p and I'm sure it will stay that way for at least three to four years.

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 5:22

Schrute_Farms_B&B eredeti hozzászólása:
DLSS on 4K looks like 1440p in my eyes, so using DLSS wouldnt make much sense in that case.

I understand that there are different opinions on the matter, but I don't understand this argument at all. Do you suggest that 4K with DLSS quality looks like native 1440p? Does it mean that 1440p with DLSS quality looks like native 960p? From my experience, DLSS looks best on 4K screens and is almost not worth using at 1080p.

I also disagree that 1080p looks bad on a 4K screen when you achieve a perfect 1:4 pixel ratio so pixels shouldn't bleed and blur. However, this depends on the screen and how it handles scaling.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: C1REX; 2023. okt. 31., 5:26

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 5:32

C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:
Schrute_Farms_B&B eredeti hozzászólása:
DLSS on 4K looks like 1440p in my eyes, so using DLSS wouldnt make much sense in that case.
I understand different opinion on the matter but I don't understand this argument at all.
Do you suggest that 4K with DLSS quality looks like native 1440p?
Does it mean that 1440p with DLSS quality looks like native 960p?
From my experience DLSS looks best on 4K screens and it's almost not worth anything at 1080p.

I also disagree that 1080p looks bad at 4K screen when you get perfect 1:4 pixel ratio so pixels shouldn't bleed and blur but that depends of the screen and how it handles scaling.

What's there not to understand? Btw, he is not suggesting anything, just stating.
He's stating that in his opinion, a game on 4K with DLSS enabled looks like native 1440p.
I feel that way as well. DLSS works best on 4K screens, everybody knows that. It's all about the pixel gap.

About the 1080p native thing, you are not disagreeing at all, quite the contrary,
You said it yourself, "it DEPENDS", just like Schrute did :
"looks like sh*t on most models.", which again is true as well.

I owned the Aorus FO48U. Wanna try running a 1080p resolution on that son of a gun?
Be my guest.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Angry Gandalf; 2023. okt. 31., 5:33

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 5:45

Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
He's stating that in his opinion, a game on 4K with DLSS enabled looks like native 1440p.
I feel that way as well.

I see. Do you also feel like 1440p with DLSS looks like native 960p or different? Trying to understand your perspective.

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 5:48

C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:
Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
He's stating that in his opinion, a game on 4K with DLSS enabled looks like native 1440p.
I feel that way as well.
I see. Do you also feel like 1440p with DLSS looks like native 960p or different? Trying to understand your perspective.

4k DLSS on quality mode renders at 1440p, did you even know that, you cute ......

rofl

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Angry Gandalf; 2023. okt. 31., 6:09

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 5:51

Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:
I see. Do you also feel like 1440p with DLSS looks like native 960p or different? Trying to understand your perspective.

4k DLSS on quality mode renders at 1440p, did you even know that, you cute ......

rofl

Exactly.
1440p on dlss quality renders at 960p, did you even know that, you cute ......

rofl

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 5:52

Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
You aren't a native englishman, are you good sir? :D

no. How does it affect DLSS and resolution?

1440p on dlss quality renders at 960p, did you even know that, you cute ......

rofl

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 5:54

C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:
Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
You aren't a native englishman, are you good sir? :D
no. How does it affect DLSS and resolution?

1440p on dlss quality renders at 960p, did you even know that, you cute ......

rofl

It does affect your understanding on how DLSS works. you poor prick.
It seems that you don't seem to have a understanding for anything, to be quite frank.

Just answer the question yourself. Does upscaled 1440p on native 4k look better than 960p on 1440p?
What could possibly be the answer?

I mean, c'mon

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Angry Gandalf; 2023. okt. 31., 5:56

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 5:57

Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:

Just answer the question yourself. Does upscaled 1440p on native 4k look better than 960p on 1440p?
What could the answer possibly be?

You started being rude, so could you please explain, in proper English and with courtesy, which option looks better and put an end to this behaviour?

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 5:59

C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:
Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:

Just answer the question yourself. Does upscaled 1440p on native 4k look better than 960p on 1440p?
What could the answer possibly be?
You started being rude, so could you please explain, in proper English and with courtesy, which option looks better and put an end to this behaviour?

courtesy?..wtf xD
Could you answer the question, good ol' Pavlov from Poland?
Does 1440p on native 4K look better than 960p on native 1440p?:D

Legutóbb szerkesztette: Angry Gandalf; 2023. okt. 31., 6:03

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 6:03

Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:
You started being rude, so could you please explain, in proper English and with courtesy, which option looks better and put an end to this behaviour?

Look Pavlov, or whatever that hag who gave birth to you named you after, calm down, get a dictionary and relax.

Answer the question yourself.

Sure, I will answer the question myself then:

1440p with DLSS quality looks better than native 960p.
4K with DLSS quality looks better than native 1440p.
Thank you, and have a wonderful day.

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 6:06

DLSS Quality - 1440p on native 4K will always look better than
DLSS Quality - 960p on native 1440p.

I mean that's the whole point, isn't it. That's why DLSS looks best on 4K.

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C1REX 2023. okt. 31., 6:24

Angry Gandalf eredeti hozzászólása:
I mean that's the whole point, isn't it. That's why DLSS looks best on 4K.

I believe so. DLSS changes everything and makes 4K the new sweet spot in my personal opinion. Here are some examples:

4K + DLSS quality = 1440p input resolution.
4K + DLSS balanced = 1253p input resolution.
4K + DLSS performance = 1080p input resolution.

In my opinion, all three of these options look better than 1440p + DLSS quality with a 960p input resolution.

Legutóbb szerkesztette: C1REX; 2023. okt. 31., 6:30

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Angry Gandalf 2023. okt. 31., 6:42

I agree but why not get a native 1440p monitor in the first place, if someone's planning to use DLSS on every game?

I own a 3090TI and I had this horrible Aorus monitor which I've mentioned somewhere above, and I was hardly using any game which would even support DLSS. And those game which did, felt like a native 1440p on a 4K native monitor with DLSS quality-mode enabled. That's why I went with a ultrawide 1440p monitor, where I hardly use any DLSS but I'm being able to play my favourite non DLSS games without any sacrifice regarding quality settings.

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