Crazy Gsync flickering

[Cheetah]

I noticed crazy Flickering while I use Gsync in some games.
For Example in the crew motorfest, if I start this game and it loads, the whole loading screen flickering like crazy. If I am in the game, it still flicker a few second and then it is away. Is my asus Monitor damaged?

[Rod]

GMC79님이 먼저 게시:

Yes If you have Gysnc, vsync needs to be off in game. and is best to set fps limit in control panel to 1 below refresh rate,143 for me on 144hz LG.

Hes clueless and wants to question me. FYI i own a AW3424DW and vg259qm both gsync one module one otherwise and 280hz all over his 144hz.

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Rod님이 먼저 게시:

Lol what nonsense copium. Theres a indepth article on this by blurbusters and nvidia. Your running double vsync like a fool for no reason. Ps i own more monitors than you ever will and know how gsync works and you dont understand how it works.


https://blurbusters.com/gsync/gsync101-input-lag-tests-and-settings/14/


See part ingame settings. You never ever use u game vsync as they can cause extra frame delays and even triple buffering. Gsync with a fps cap 3 below the refresh rate maintains no tearing and at most one frame delay. Using ingame vsync you add an entire extra frame delay (now two) and god forbid 3 with triple buffering. So you added 8ms almost for no reason now you got 16ms delay the same as 60fps lmao because you ran i game vsync. Had you did it like blurbusters state you would of had just under 8ms lol...

When you get older in a few years you might learn to get lazy like me. I'm not going in to the nvidia profiles and create a custom profile to limit the FPS in every single game I play. No one is going to do that crap. We can just go in a game, switch on vsync, leave gsync enabled, play games, enjoy smooth and fluid gameplay, low frame times, and everything is amazing, beautiful, and awesome. No tinkering or modifications necessary. It's very easy.

I will repeat one more time: Do you actually own a 144 hz (or faster) Gsync monitor (And not a freesync monitor that is 'gsync compatible', an actual gsync monitor) and also an Nvidia video card capable of pushing games at 144+ FPS constantly? Have you actually experienced it yourself in person with your eyes? Some random testing by some random website in a controlled test environment doesn't mean anything about actual gameplay in real games.

You have to see it yourself with your own eyes. If you have not seen it in person then you shouldn't be commenting on it.

To me it looks like you have not experienced it yourself. You're just pointing at this website and going "LOOK THIS WEBSITE SAYS THIS IS TRUE SO IT HAS TO BE TRUE! YOU'RE WRONG BECAUSE THE WEBSITE SAYS YOU'RE WRONG!" .. no that's not how things work.

Hurr i own 175hz gsync ultimate oled AW3423DW and 280hz gsync compatible VG259QM. I dont care about your caps lock but stop spouting info on gsync when A clueless and B doing it wrong.

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

Then in games I'll turn off V-Sync and set to unlimited FPS if there is an option. Then everything runs buttery smooth for me with no problems at all.

This is actually a *TERRIBLE* idea and no one should ever do this unless they are playing competitive shooter games that require instant reaction times. For all other games we absolutely must run with some sort of frame limiter. Either an actual frame limiter (or if the game doesn't support that vsync is perfectly fine). When you play games without a frame limiter it's going to make your video card run stupid hot (probably 95c or hotter) at all times with the fans screaming loud. Which will dump a bunch of heat into your room and make the room hotter, and/or make your case fans run loud and in general it's just a terrible idea for no actual reason. No one wants to sit next to a vacuum cleaner to play games. Frame limiters let the video card run nice and cool, fans at a low speed, everything nice and calm, quiet, and everything is harmony.

GMC79님이 먼저 게시:

Yes If you have Gysnc, vsync needs to be off in game. and is best to set fps limit in control panel to 1 below refresh rate,143 for me on 144hz LG.

Again no: For the second time just no. There's no need to do any of that. Specifically the control panel part. With windows 10 and Win11 all we have to do is just switch on gsync in the nvidia control panel -> go to windows settings and set the monitor to say 144hz (or whatever our monitor's max is) -> then go play games using some sort of frame limiter. If there's an in-game option to directly limit FPS without vsync then of course use that. But if the game doesn't have that option then vsync works perfectly fine with gsync on. There's no reason not to use it or fiddle with editing a profile for every game or any of that other nonsense crap. Just turn it on and go play games and be happy with life. People need to not be afraid of vsync just because the industry and everyone on the internet trumpets about "VSYNC IS EVIL! DON'T TOUCH VSYNC! LEAVE VSYNC OFF!" etc. It's a switch. People are welcome to try switching it on and see what happens. If they don't like it they can switch it off. But saying "Vsync is bad. Don't use it" is just awful. Let people make their own decisions to see what they like with their own personal preferences. Some people like it on. Some people don't. Either option is fine. No one is any better or worse than anyone else for using vsync.

You need to take a deep calm breath and go read the gsync guide.

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Rod님이 먼저 게시:

Hurr i own 175hz gsync ultimate oled and 280hz gsycc conpatible VG259QM. I dont care about your caps lock but stop spouting info on gsync when A clueless and B doing it wrong.

This right there. That is your entire problem. There is no "right or wrong" way to enjoy gaming on computers. Everyone is free to make their own choices with their own hardware and use whatever they want. You shouldn't be imposing your will on others online. If someone wants to use vsync + Gsync and they enjoy the experience then let them do it and don't shame them or harass them for it. It's a perfectly fine experience and some people like it.

But why? There is no reason to lol? If you read the guide the reason is your too lazy to setup nvcpl so you set it to on in game. Even when it doubles the input lag and latency to 16ms.


Lol

Congratulations on having the same input lag as a 60hz monitor, Your totally gimping your 144hz refreshrate.

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Rod님이 먼저 게시:

But why? There is no reason to lol? If you read the guide the reason is your too lazy to setup nvcpl so you set it to on in game. Even when it doubles the input lag and latency to 16ms.


Lol

I think you might be a young kid and not understand how things in the world works. You should let everyone make their own choices and do whatever they want to do with their hardware. Just because someone chooses to configure something a different way does not mean that how they are doing it is "wrong" or "invalid". They are just using their computer differently.

You should learn to leave people alone as long as they're happy.

You're behaving like a bully. This is what your words sound like: "YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG! DO IT MY WAY! IF YOU DON'T DO IT MY WAY YOU'RE STUPID!". Do you even realize how you sound when you write these comments?

Fine then enjoy your way, Best of luck but your telling other people about gsync thats the problem. You cant comment on it when doing it purposly wrong. Also there is a right and a wrong way, I sent you the guide on the right way and you admitted you prefer the wrong way.

P.S you only need to setup the nvcpl globally once too, Then it works in nearly everygame. Theres no reason to do it on a per game basis. And no need to therefor set vsync on in any modern game for any logical reason.

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Rod님이 먼저 게시:

You cant comment on it when doing it purposly wrong.

Actually yes I can. Per the steam rules I can write those comments and any other comments I like in any thread I like as long as I follow the rules. I can comment on this thread as often as I want to and say anything I want to as long as it doesn't violate the rules.

You can't stop someone from writing in the steam forums. Also you can't tell people what to do either. You can't tell someone to stop writing in the steam forums.

Enjoy 14ms frametime when it should be 6.9ms. Not sub > 20ms.

[Piston Smashed™]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

Then in games I'll turn off V-Sync and set to unlimited FPS if there is an option. Then everything runs buttery smooth for me with no problems at all.

This is actually a *TERRIBLE* idea and no one should ever do this unless they are playing competitive shooter games that require instant reaction times. For all other games we absolutely must run with some sort of frame limiter. Either an actual frame limiter (or if the game doesn't support that vsync is perfectly fine). When you play games without a frame limiter it's going to make your video card run stupid hot (probably 95c or hotter) at all times with the fans screaming loud. Which will dump a bunch of heat into your room and make the room hotter, and/or make your case fans run loud and in general it's just a terrible idea for no actual reason. No one wants to sit next to a vacuum cleaner to play games. Frame limiters let the video card run nice and cool, fans at a low speed, everything nice and calm, quiet, and everything is harmony.

Oh really, then why is it that I NEVER have any problems in running any game. Every game I play is smooth, my graphics card (Asus ROG Strix OC 2080 Ti) never goes anywhere near 95c and is more around the 65c range. The only time I ever hear the fans on my card are when I turn them up to full manually when I'm benchmarking in 3DMark.

I have a decent PC case (Corsair 680X) with plenty of air flow (3x140MM Fans for exhaust, 3x120MM fans for intake at the front of the case and 2x140MM fans for intakes at the bottom of my case) with it all set to balanced although a lot of the time I can run my case cooling on quiet from the iCue software no problems at all. My whole case is barely audible underload, in fact for the most part the only sound I really get out of my PC is my WD Black HDD drive.

I have no heating problems with my PC at all and I have been running this setup now for just about 4 years. Not once have I had any problems running unlimited FPS with V-Sync turned off when GSync is enabled or heating problems.

I have built my own PC's for over 25 years, I know how to maintain them and get the best out of my PC. I have always turned V-Sync off in games.

Main monitor 180Hz 1440p
Second monitor 240Hz 1080p upscaled to 1440p
both GSync enabled

[GMC79]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

Then in games I'll turn off V-Sync and set to unlimited FPS if there is an option. Then everything runs buttery smooth for me with no problems at all.

This is actually a *TERRIBLE* idea and no one should ever do this unless they are playing competitive shooter games that require instant reaction times. For all other games we absolutely must run with some sort of frame limiter. Either an actual frame limiter (or if the game doesn't support that vsync is perfectly fine). When you play games without a frame limiter it's going to make your video card run stupid hot (probably 95c or hotter) at all times with the fans screaming loud. Which will dump a bunch of heat into your room and make the room hotter, and/or make your case fans run loud and in general it's just a terrible idea for no actual reason. No one wants to sit next to a vacuum cleaner to play games. Frame limiters let the video card run nice and cool, fans at a low speed, everything nice and calm, quiet, and everything is harmony.

GMC79님이 먼저 게시:

Yes If you have Gysnc, vsync needs to be off in game. and is best to set fps limit in control panel to 1 below refresh rate,143 for me on 144hz LG.

Again no: For the second time just no. There's no need to do any of that. Specifically the control panel part. With windows 10 and Win11 all we have to do is just switch on gsync in the nvidia control panel -> go to windows settings and set the monitor to say 144hz (or whatever our monitor's max is) -> then go play games using some sort of frame limiter. If there's an in-game option to directly limit FPS without vsync then of course use that. But if the game doesn't have that option then vsync works perfectly fine with gsync on. There's no reason not to use it or fiddle with editing a profile for every game or any of that other nonsense crap. Just turn it on and go play games and be happy with life. People need to not be afraid of vsync just because the industry and everyone on the internet trumpets about "VSYNC IS EVIL! DON'T TOUCH VSYNC! LEAVE VSYNC OFF!" etc. It's a switch. People are welcome to try switching it on and see what happens. If they don't like it they can switch it off. But saying "Vsync is bad. Don't use it" is just awful. Let people make their own decisions to see what they like with their own personal preferences. Some people like it on. Some people don't. Either option is fine. No one is any better or worse than anyone else for using vsync.

You don't know what you're talking about so go chill.

Gsync on, Vsync off. It may well work ok when on, but it should be off with gysnc on.
The End.

[Piston Smashed™]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

I have no heating problems with my PC at all and I have been running this setup now for just about 4 years. Not once have I had any problems running unlimited FPS with V-Sync turned off when GSync is enabled or heating problems.

Except the screen tearing of course. But I guess if you enjoy seeing half a frame or 3 frames at the same time when you play that's fine too. Whatever floats your boat.

What screen tearing? I haven't seen screen tearing since the early 2000's. Besides that why I have GSync monitors, it stops screen tearing. I have plenty of frame rates, I don't get a half or a third of the frames, how can I if I have my settings set to unlimited...

[Rod]

Technically for the absolute best fastest esport type setup gsync on vsync off is showing every frame as they come with no delay. Vsync on in the nvidia control panel and not in game only adds a little latency never more than one frame which if at say really high hertz 500hz is only 2ms then its worth giving up 2ms to stop tearing.


Tearing with gsync and vsync off happens if the games frametimes are not optimal you see it more at lower refresh rates - chief blurbuster


For me i have to turn vsync on in the nvidia control panel as i see a vertical line like a scan line even with my fps capped. I cant comment on how that would look at say 360hz or 500hz but theres still tearing with gsync and vsync disabled. Only gsync on and vsync on in the nvidia panel provides me with a non distracting experience in most games this is the way 99% of people use gsync. For reference this is at 277fps on a VG259QM.

[PopinFRESH]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

I have no heating problems with my PC at all and I have been running this setup now for just about 4 years. Not once have I had any problems running unlimited FPS with V-Sync turned off when GSync is enabled or heating problems.

Except the screen tearing of course. But I guess if you enjoy seeing half a frame or 3 frames at the same time when you play that's fine too. Whatever floats your boat.

GMC79님이 먼저 게시:

You don't know what you're talking about so go chill.

Gsync on, Vsync off. It may well work ok when on, but it should be off with gysnc on.
The End.

I don't have to "know what I'm talking about" and neither do you. I can use my computer however I want to and so can anyone else. Everyone is free to make their own choices. There is no right or wrong way to use a computer.

Translation:
I'm wrong so therefor "there is no correct way" so I can try to save my tiny ego.


It's odd how you changed to that tone after Rod gave an actual reputable source that says your claims were wrong.

Gsync On
Frame limit in NVCP
VSYNC on in NVCP
VSYNC off in-game


VSYNC and frame limit in NVCP prevent higher frame rate than monitors max Gsync range from tearing. Having VSYNC on in-game results in double or triple buffering because the game has no clue wtf the GPU driver is doing and isn't aware that you may or may not have Gsync. It has to do VSYNC as if it is the only thing that is happening. VSYNC on in-game just adds a significant amount to input delay for no benefit at all.

[Rod]

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Except the screen tearing of course. But I guess if you enjoy seeing half a frame or 3 frames at the same time when you play that's fine too. Whatever floats your boat.


I don't have to "know what I'm talking about" and neither do you. I can use my computer however I want to and so can anyone else. Everyone is free to make their own choices. There is no right or wrong way to use a computer.

Translation:
I'm wrong so therefor "there is no correct way" so I can try to save my tiny ego.


It's odd how you changed to that tone after Rod gave an actual reputable source that says your claims were wrong.

Gsync On
Frame limit in NVCP
VSYNC on in NVCP
VSYNC off in-game


VSYNC and frame limit in NVCP prevent higher frame rate than monitors max Gsync range from tearing. Having VSYNC on in-game results in double or triple buffering because the game has no clue wtf the GPU driver is doing and isn't aware that you may or may not have Gsync. It has to do VSYNC as if it is the only thing that is happening. VSYNC on in-game just adds a significant amount to input delay for no benefit at all.

Btw its been updated. Most info on gsync fps capping predated Nvidia Reflex games. Now in the big titles that support reflex in games especially those with reflex boost like Counter Strike 2 etc cap the fpa for you. So you have no need to set the fps cap in them games as its smart enough to know.


An example is the article says at 240hz reflex will cap you at 224fps thereabouts. The higher you go the more the number increases it used to be 3fps below refresh. Not many people know this info.

[PopinFRESH]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

What screen tearing? I haven't seen screen tearing since the early 2000's. Besides that why I have GSync monitors, it stops screen tearing. I have plenty of frame rates, I don't get a half or a third of the frames, how can I if I have my settings set to unlimited...

Even if you have gsync on it doesn't do anything for you when you exceed the refresh rate of your screen. If you have a 240hz screen and play a game at 300 FPS you get tearing. I can see it myself with my own eyes. If I turn off vsync (or any other frame limiter) and play a game at say 160 or 200 FPS on my 144hz screen I get tearing. Even with gsync on.

You said you play games with gsync on and no frame limiter so you get tearing then at some point.

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

It's odd how you changed to that tone after Rod gave an actual reputable source that says your claims were wrong.

It doesn't matter how "reputable" you think someone is. All "screen testing" is done in a sandboxed testing environment where they repeat the same thing over and over to try and find some tiny little 1ms or 1 FPS difference. That's what "review websites" do. As I said before: That has nothing at all to do with actually playing games for hours on end where the scenes and situations are always changing.

Anyone trying to quote or point at some "review website" as "truth" is just laughable.

I'm sure you know more than blurbusters... for sure. 100%

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

What screen tearing? I haven't seen screen tearing since the early 2000's. Besides that why I have GSync monitors, it stops screen tearing. I have plenty of frame rates, I don't get a half or a third of the frames, how can I if I have my settings set to unlimited...

Even if you have gsync on it doesn't do anything for you when you exceed the refresh rate of your screen. If you have a 240hz screen and play a game at 300 FPS you get tearing. I can see it myself with my own eyes. If I turn off vsync (or any other frame limiter) and play a game at say 160 or 200 FPS on my 144hz screen I get tearing. Even with gsync on.

You said you play games with gsync on and no frame limiter so you get tearing then at some point.

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

It's odd how you changed to that tone after Rod gave an actual reputable source that says your claims were wrong.

It doesn't matter how "reputable" you think someone is. All "screen testing" is done in a sandboxed testing environment where they repeat the same thing over and over to try and find some tiny little 1ms or 1 FPS difference. That's what "review websites" do. As I said before: That has nothing at all to do with actually playing games for hours on end where the scenes and situations are always changing.

Anyone trying to quote or point at some "review website" as "truth" is just laughable.

You vastly under estimate blurbusters for your own ego. The site is the number one for testing this stuff and its so complex that if you bothered to read thier guide you might be quiet. I cant believe your playing down blurbusters lol.

[Rod]

M3GAHURTZ님이 먼저 게시:

Piston Smashed™님이 먼저 게시:

What screen tearing? I haven't seen screen tearing since the early 2000's. Besides that why I have GSync monitors, it stops screen tearing. I have plenty of frame rates, I don't get a half or a third of the frames, how can I if I have my settings set to unlimited...

Even if you have gsync on it doesn't do anything for you when you exceed the refresh rate of your screen. If you have a 240hz screen and play a game at 300 FPS you get tearing. I can see it myself with my own eyes. If I turn off vsync (or any other frame limiter) and play a game at say 160 or 200 FPS on my 144hz screen I get tearing. Even with gsync on.

You said you play games with gsync on and no frame limiter so you get tearing then at some point.

PopinFRESH님이 먼저 게시:

It's odd how you changed to that tone after Rod gave an actual reputable source that says your claims were wrong.

It doesn't matter how "reputable" you think someone is. All "screen testing" is done in a sandboxed testing environment where they repeat the same thing over and over to try and find some tiny little 1ms or 1 FPS difference. That's what "review websites" do. As I said before: That has nothing at all to do with actually playing games for hours on end where the scenes and situations are always changing.

Anyone trying to quote or point at some "review website" as "truth" is just laughable.

He can maybe not see the odd vsync scan line that zips across the screen. At very high fps it is hard to see but blurbusters say it exists and ive seen it exist at 277fps. So yes but these people use a cap below the refreshrate so they wont ever see 300fps on a 240hz they will cap at 237 and see 237. Thier input lag and performance will be the lowest and best yours but they will have a very odd vsync line maybe he plays a game with a very well optimized frametime and he may only get one single line zip actoss his screen and it becomes harder and harder to see. So to him maybe he does have no tearing. I can barely see my tearing at 277fps but i find it distracting like jaggies so i enable vsync.


Your mistake though where you cant comprehend and admit your mistakes is you seem to think having vsync on ingame is fine. The only case this would ever work without adding an entire new frames delay would be if you enabled gsync but disabled vsync in the nvidia control panel. Which is the reverse of how its supposed to be done. The reason is you dont know what secret optimizations or settings are linked to ingame vsync like triplebuffering which is the worst thing for gsync and buffers 3 entire frames!!! Using nvidia control panel vsync set to on fixes and avoids all issues.


Had you did this simply put you would be optimal and have 6.9ms input lag and frametimes. Your persistence in using ingame vstnc likely results in not 6.9ms but 14ms and potentially 20ms total. If the game has no option for triplebuffering to be disabled then you can assume you have 3 frames and a total of 20ms lag. 19.7ms if you want to be really picky about the numbers.