5800x3D > 7800x3D?

[bRice153]

I was getting crap on here from a guy saying my 5800x3D is holding me back with my 4090 and I have a mid range PC. He said the 7800x3D and DDR5 will be significantly faster than 5800x3D and DDR4.

I play at 4k/120hz for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_etPtoZ6lY

Shockingly the 5800x3D is ahead by a couple frames in some cases and about equal to no more than around 10fps slower at 4k it seems. But the 7800x3D is extremely efficient.

[Skkooomer Lord]

It will be faster here and there.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Mates bonkers, thats all I can say.
More particulary if you take in mind that youre playing on 4K, maximum workload on GPU and moderate utilization of your CPU.

Sure, DDR5 and the 7800X3D will give you better lows (marginally) and possibly a few more FPS here and there depending on the game, but it will most def not change your gaming experience.

Im playing on 1440p and 4K @21:9 for years and hitting 60 FPS was always a chore but Ive used the 5800X3D and the 7800X3D /using it currently on this system) paired with a 7900XTX and there isnt the slightest change, except better lows.

[bRice153]

I want to get onto AM5 but I think skipping the 7xxx CPU's may be better also i'd be going from 8 core to 8 core which kinda sucks.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Ive seen a friend of mine rocking a 3700X with a 4090 and hes getting similar stats like me so, yeah, you will be totally fine skipping the current generation without sacrificing almost any performance on 4K.

[Omega]

There is very little to gain from upgrading

[nullable]

Escrito originalmente por bRice153:

I was getting crap on here from a guy saying my 5800x3D is holding me back with my 4090 and I have a mid range PC. He said the 7800x3D and DDR5 will be significantly faster than 5800x3D and DDR4.

I play at 4k/120hz for reference.

I mean incrementally faster, sure. Significantly faster, I guess he should quantify what he thinks significant is in hard data.

Better hardware is better, but it sounds like his problem is he's stuck on the only configuration that matters is the "optimal" configuration he imagines. Some people are like that, maybe they'll eventually get wise enough to know why that thinking is weapons grade bolognium.

[bRice153]

AM5 is appealing due to room to grow until 2026 while the 5800x3D is essentially the best the AM4 can get for gaming. I am not too sold on DDR4 vs DDR5 for gaming personally. Fast DDR4 is still better than some DDR5 from what I've seen.

[hackintoshchap]

Some early DDR5 was slower than regular DDR4 3600, but we moved past that some time ago. DDR5 6000 is the sweet spot for Zen 4. Low latency CL30 is a small amount more than CL36 but much better and well worth paying that minor premium for.

Zen 5 is due early 2024 and a big performance uptick over Zen 4 is on the cards. Zen 6 might go to a new socket - its not yet decided, there are advantages but it may depend on how competitive Intel looks to be for this to happen.

[C1REX]

Escrito originalmente por bRice153:

I was getting crap on here from a guy saying my 5800x3D is holding me back with my 4090 and I have a mid range PC. He said the 7800x3D and DDR5 will be significantly faster than 5800x3D and DDR4.

I play at 4k/120hz for reference.

There shouldn’t be any meaningful difference at 4K in my opinion.
Unless it’s a very CPU heavy game and you run it with strong DLSS settings.
4K120Hz at max settings can still be a challange in some games like Starfield and maybe a handful of others.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

A VERY TINY increase to maybe Frame-Times and 1% Lows in a few games; that's really all that would change. Not worth the upgrade.

By the time 5800X3D + about 32GB or so of DDR4 is "not cutting it anymore" here will be way better hardware out there then what's on AM5 platform. This CPU should last you MANY years. All you should maybe need to upgrade as you go along once you have a very good CPU is Storage and GPU, that's it. Maybe PSU if you have the system long enough. Nothing is going to come out soon enough that's going to put a your current CPU to shame anytime soon.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Pointless, 5800X3D is still very good CPU and increase would be mostly negligible.

[emoticorpse]

Can you tell us the context around that conversation?

[bRice153]

Escrito originalmente por emoticorpse:

Can you tell us the context around that conversation?

Was on a thread about Rift Apart PC version at launch and I was showing gameplay on my PC and he said I dated hardware so performance would be better with 7800x3D+DDR5.

[Overseer]

People talk a lot of mad ♥♥♥♥ on the internet so just ignore that.
You can always tinker a bit with your RAM to squeeze out a couple more frames. But dealing with the Infinity Fabric and anything SoC can be a never ending pain. And then wait and see how AMDs DDR5 implementation develops over the next couple years. As right now there is little to be excited about.

[A&A]

But of course it will be fine at 4K. I don't see a reason why to compare CPUs at such resolution.