Nvidia — “Fake Frames” is dead!

[Citizen Cook]

In the latest DF video, Nvidia’s Cantanzaro says “Moore's Law is dead. We don't know as a civilisation how to keep turning the crank on traditional ways of doing things. We have to be smarter.
You fundamentally realise you have to be more intelligent about the graphics rendering process. Brute force—let's re-render every frame 120 times a second at 2160p output—that is wasteful because we know that there are a lot of correlations in the output of any rendering process.
We know that there are a lot of opportunities to be smarter, to reuse compute. And then deliver transformational image quality benefits, things like Cyberpunk, that we could never have imagined doing before.
DLSS 3.5 makes Cyberpunk even more beautiful than native rendering. The reason for that is because the AI is able make smarter decisions about how to render the scene than what we knew without AI. I would say that Cyberpunk frames using DLSS and Frame Generation are much realer than traditional graphics frames.
Raster is a bag of fakeness. We get to throw that out and start doing path tracing and actually get real shadows and real reflections. And the only way we do that is by synthesising a lot of pixels with AI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv9SLtojkTU

This is all very interesting. One of the things I thought about is how one earth can AMD compete? They are light years behind Nvidia beyond simple raster performance. You can’t even benchmark because one teams card displays visuals completely differently and achieves frame rate differently.

[Pocahawtness]

Dunno. Haven't tried it. I will have an opinion when I do!

I think, at some point, someone may come up with a completely new way of doing things.

[Viking2121]

Even if AMD can't compete, if the price is good and the native res gaming is good, I wouldn't mind going back to AMD. I would of still been on a 6800xt if I didn't get a heck of a deal on my 3090ti.

[C1REX]

AMD is very incompetent and make stupid decisions. One of them is naming their cards.
Why there are 7900xt and 7900xtx when none of them compete against 4090?

I recently bought a 7900xtx for a close to 4070ti price. Slightly more but got a free game worth $99 and a ton of raster performance.

If instead of calling that GPU a 7900XTX they called it a 7700xt then what?
It would be slightly more expensive than Nvidia but much more powerful? It would completely change the perception of their GPUs.

I enjoy my new AMD GPU. Very impressed with the performance and their Adrenaline software but I’m also amused by so many silly decisions like 7900xt and 7700xt pricing just to get bad reviews and lower the prices soon after anyway.

[wesnef]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

AMD is very incompetent and make stupid decisions. One of them is naming their cards.
Why there are 7900xt and 7900xtx when none of them compete against 4090?

Since when is "it competes with the other company's '9' card" a requirement for naming? Cards are named in relation to other cards in their own lineup.

[Illusion of Progress]

Publicado originalmente por C1REX-PL:

If instead of calling that GPU a 7900XTX they called it a 7700xt then what?
It would be slightly more expensive than Nvidia but much more powerful? It would completely change the perception of their GPUs.

But not in a good way. People would see a 700 tier product costing a grand and be negative towards it. nVidia saw this ahead of time which is why they made things that feel overnamed; they sort of are. It's better to have something be ridiculed as a smaller than desired price for performance increase, than have it be ridiculed for that and for being an even bigger increase in price (tier for tier) than it already is.

So AMD is overnaming things relative to the past just as nVidia has. Not as bad, but they are. The 7900 XTX should definitely not be a 7700 XT though. The 7900 XTX should probably be the 7900 XT, and the 7900 XT should probably be the 7800 XT.

I wonder if the 7700 XT is overpriced a bit on purpose because it would conflict with remaining RDNA 2 supply if it were priced closer to $400 to $420, where it would feel more appropriate. So my suspicion is it's overpriced for now to make the 6700 XT, 6800, 6800 XT, and 7800 XT more attractive, and then it can drop in price later when the older generation among those sell out.

This generation (for both brands) kind of got left between a rock and a hard place because of the oversupply from the pandemic and mining demand. It's why it feels complimentary rather than replacement in nature.

That's likely why the 7800 XT and 7700 XT were this late to begin with. Whereas nVidia simply threw all models out from the start (even including Ti models which are usually only refreshes) only to get bad review after bad review all the way down, AMD did the total opposite and just made the halo product(s) and then waited longer to let time do its thing and sell older supply out more first.

[Tiberius]

Today i learn ppl make their decision by looking at gpu name, not by its price

[Skkooomer Lord]

Cyberpunk is not the entirety of gaming, settle down now.
You can flex 1 game is the future of gaming as cope but it don't mean it is true.

[Skkooomer Lord]

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Publicado originalmente por ZAP:

Might wanna check Gamers Nexus. Terrible visual glitches and ghosting from all the smoke and mirrors.

Worse than console.

Agreed, DLSS/FSR is not the magic bullet that nVidia and AMD wants it to be.

Agree.

[C1REX]

Publicado originalmente por Tiberius:

Today i learn ppl make their decision by looking at gpu name, not by its price

I learnt few months ago that A LOT of people literally compare GPUs by name and not by price. I still can’t believe people really do that.

[Illusion of Progress]

Publicado originalmente por Tiberius:

Today i learn ppl make their decision by looking at gpu name, not by its price

Then you failed to read well. Nowhere in there is that what I said.

What I did was explain why these companies, from their perspective, may be overnaming their products. Spoiler alert; it's to soften the blow of rising prices.

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Publicado originalmente por Tiberius:

Today i learn ppl make their decision by looking at gpu name, not by its price

I learnt few months ago that A LOT of people literally compare GPUs by name and not by price. I still can’t believe people really do that.

Most people probably do buy based on price.

It doesn't mean people also can't make comparisons by other means.

The reason tier gets brought up is specifically because buying at the same price now (even factoring for inflation) might not get you the same tier as before. This matters because the tiers (and some more than others) aren't going up in performance as much as they used to.

So even going by price for performance, the uplifts have been low this generation.

[lsdninja]

Publicado originalmente por Tiberius:

Today i learn ppl make their decision by looking at gpu name, not by its price

nVidia wouldn't have nearly the market share in gaming graphics that it does if people didn't :P

[Citizen Cook]

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Publicado originalmente por Citizen Cook:

DF recently talked about how standard raster testing is essentially pointless since who on earth would buy an Nvidia card and turn off all these amazing features?

Not everyone lives in your alternate universe where every game has dlss support

You’re missing the point. How do you compare an Nvidia card with all those amazing features against an AMD card without them? And you can’t just test the Nvidia card with those features turned off because no one who would buy them would do that.

[Tiberius]

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Publicado originalmente por Tiberius:

Not everyone lives in your alternate universe where every game has dlss support

You’re missing the point. How do you compare an Nvidia card with all those amazing features against an AMD card without them? And you can’t just test the Nvidia card with those features turned off because no one who would buy them would do that.

Imagine buying a gpu for dlss 3.5. A feature thats only available for one game currently. And i'm the one whos missing the point here?

Rtx4090 was amazing because of dlss3.0, not because its one of the biggest generational leap in raster 👌

L O L

[PopinFRESH]

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Publicado originalmente por Citizen Cook:

You’re missing the point. How do you compare an Nvidia card with all those amazing features against an AMD card without them? And you can’t just test the Nvidia card with those features turned off because no one who would buy them would do that.

Imagine buying a gpu for dlss 3.5. A feature thats only available for one game currently. And i'm the one whos missing the point here?

L O L

whooosh...

[Preacher]

I go outside if I want realistic graphics and it doesnt cost any money