Is it worth buying an Intel Arc A770?

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Hey all.
My current RX 580 is getting a bit old and think about getting myself a new GPU, now that the prices are quite low, (at least in comparison to the chaos that was 2021) to finally play some games at better settings and buy new games, knowing that my GPU won't explode. (I also play at 1440P, managable for my 580, though it's noticable that I push this poor thing quite a bit when playing newer games)
Though at least for me, it's important to mention that I daily drive Linux and thus, some problems are more likely and some are less likely to occur. I generally run all games in Vulkan due to DXVK translating dx11 games. Meaning that I don't have to worry about the card's terrible dx11 performance. But again, running niche hardware on a niche operating system might also be the cause for quite a few issues.
Also the card has been out for over a year at this point, so I'm sure that the drivers, while not perfect, are at least in a somewhat usable state as of now. (I'm also using rolling release distributions, meaning that I always get the latest and greatest drivers)
Another positive upside would be that it's generally quite comparable to team green's and red's midrange GPUs. Probably even beating AMD when it comes to raytraced games (if I ever play games which support this).
Lastly, as I run a ryzen 3600. It's important to mention that I only have pcie 3. So it's not unlikely that the 7600 would throttle as it just uses 8 lanes. Intel arc has the full 16 lanes which should be enough, even on pcie3 speeds, as it's "just" a midrange GPU. Though I do have resizable bar, I got this functionality from a BIOS update, so I shouldn't miss out on too much performance.

So I want to ask about this forum's opinion on Intel Arc as a daily driver. Is it worth supporting the newcomer, well knowing that I will be an extreme niche usecase (gaming on both Linux and Intel Arc)? Or should I play everything safe and just buy a "boring" RX 7600, knowing that everything should work just fine. And if it doesn't, that the drivers will quickly catch up.

(And before anyone here even tries to recommend me one. No, I won't buy an Nvidia GPU. My Intel and AMD experience has been way too good in order to try out an Nvidia GPU with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ proprietary drivers. Also ♥♥♥♥ Nvidia as a company.)

[Syad]

Are you crazy? Intel can't even manage windows drivers. Leave newcomer supporting for the Windows users.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Meh, I would just get RX 6700 XT. Intel drivers are not good enough, especially for older games and there is no guarantee that game you want to play actually works properly.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 Syad：

Are you crazy?

yes

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

Meh, I would just get RX 6700 XT. Intel drivers are not good enough, especially for older games and there is no guarantee that game you want to play actually works properly.

The 6700xt, while it might have good performance. Is a bit too expensive. I try to aim for ≤300€.
Which boils down to the 7600 and A770 ATM.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

引用自 Felix：

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

Meh, I would just get RX 6700 XT. Intel drivers are not good enough, especially for older games and there is no guarantee that game you want to play actually works properly.

The 6700xt, while it might have good performance. Is a bit too expensive. I try to aim for ≤300€.
Which boils down to the 7600 and A770 ATM.

I would not get anything with less then 12 GB VRAM these days. RX 7600 is pretty much junk compared to RX 6700 XT. Just because it`s newer gen doesn`t make it better.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

引用自 Felix：

The 6700xt, while it might have good performance. Is a bit too expensive. I try to aim for ≤300€.
Which boils down to the 7600 and A770 ATM.

I would not get anything with less then 12 GB VRAM these days. RX 7600 is pretty much junk compared to RX 6700 XT. Just because it`s newer gen doesn`t make it better.

I get what you wanna say. It has 4 extra gigs of Vram. Something I am very aware of and would like to have. But As of right now. The 6700xt goes for 330€+, while the 7600 goes for ~280€. I would like more Vram. But 50€ for more Vram is a bit, wellp. It's a tough decision.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

引用自 Felix：

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

I would not get anything with less then 12 GB VRAM these days. RX 7600 is pretty much junk compared to RX 6700 XT. Just because it`s newer gen doesn`t make it better.

I get what you wanna say. It has 4 extra gigs of Vram. Something I am very aware of and would like to have. But As of right now. The 6700xt goes for 330€+, while the 7600 goes for ~280€. I would like more Vram. But 50€ for more Vram is a bit, wellp. It's a tough decision.

Well worth the price difference. 7600 is under performing garbage design.

If you are talking about 1440p then 6700 XT runs pretty much all modern games with 10-20 fps better then 7600.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 Rumpelcrutchskin：

引用自 Felix：

I get what you wanna say. It has 4 extra gigs of Vram. Something I am very aware of and would like to have. But As of right now. The 6700xt goes for 330€+, while the 7600 goes for ~280€. I would like more Vram. But 50€ for more Vram is a bit, wellp. It's a tough decision.

Well worth the price difference. 7600 is under performing garbage design.

Thanks for the help.
I will personally wait until maybe Black Friday and see how the prices will develop. If the price difference between those 2 cards's just a 20-30 bucks. I might very well get the 6700 instead. Or see about Intel Arc. If I can get my hands on an A770 (or A750, barely slower) for ≤200€. This might also be a good deal. It's important to mention that Intel has done some impressive progress with their drivers. Sadly most tests are more than half a year old at this point.

[pasa]

I looked into this ~1 year ago. At that time the game support was mixed, DX12 was fine, 11 soso and 9c on the sucker end. Like Mass Effect 2 was on the dead list. I expect you to find a maintained list of games with problems that is up to date -- plenty time passed and I read abot SOME improvements. Didn't look at details.

If you're up for experimenting and not directly hit by known problems, sure you shall study the subject. OTOH the scene also changed in the meantime, new gen of competitors are out so unless intel dropped the prices it may have lost its only pro in the raw bang/buck territory. And you should instead look at its successor.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 pasa：

I looked into this ~1 year ago. At that time the game support was mixed, DX12 was fine, 11 soso and 9c on the sucker end. Like Mass Effect 2 was on the dead list. I expect you to find a maintained list of games with problems that is up to date -- plenty time passed and I read abot SOME improvements. Didn't look at details.

If you're up for experimenting and not directly hit by known problems, sure you shall study the subject. OTOH the scene also changed in the meantime, new gen of competitors are out so unless intel dropped the prices it may have lost its only pro in the raw bang/buck territory. And you should instead look at its successor.

Which is also why I'm interested.
Even tests from half a year report that the performance has increased by a lot in many cases. That's just on the Windows side. Over on Linux, we have also received quite a few performance bumps. Intel is currently even rewriting their kernel driver for Intel 13th gen Igpus, intel Arc and everything that follows. IIRC their plan was to get this thing ready in 2023. So it can't take long at this point.
My guess is that it will end like many AMD cards. Ok (probably mediocre in Intels case) at launch. Yet quite good a few months or years down the line once the drivers have been addressed.

[C1REX]

I agree with others that you are asking for problems going with Intel.
6700XT is one of the best value GPUs.
Or if you are OK with used you can get 2080Ti.


However, if you are this kind of guy then supporting Intel would be good for the market. Nvidia has too much market share - it’s not healthy.

[Agent]

引用自 C1REX-PL：

I agree with others that you are asking for problems going with Intel.
6700XT is one of the best value GPUs.
Or if you are OK with used you can get 2080Ti.


However, if you are this kind of guy then supporting Intel would be good for the market. Nvidia has too much market share - it’s not healthy.

Then support AMD. Intel are more hassle than it's worth. If AMD gets more sales Nvidia will see that as a loss. Doesn't matter what the competition is. As long as there is a competetor.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

引用自 C1REX-PL：

I agree with others that you are asking for problems going with Intel.
6700XT is one of the best value GPUs.
Or if you are OK with used you can get 2080Ti.


However, if you are this kind of guy then supporting Intel would be good for the market. Nvidia has too much market share - it’s not healthy.

I agree on the last part.
Nvidia's 80% market share is just insane. Also as I've already stated. I am not interested in buying an Nvidia card. Not just because of their market dominance, but also because I've heard too many bad things about their Linux drivers. It's going to be an AMD or Intel card, that's for sure. (I just hope that AMD's card won't throttle too hard on my pcie 3 board, thanks AMD for limiting it to 8 lanes)

Also thank you @Stacked for your feedback.
I think I will likely go for an AMD card. Intel is just, it seems really promising but I am very well aware of how experimental their cards are. At least as of now, if Intel would be really desperate to get rid of those cards during Black Friday and sells them for insanely low. I might go team Blue, but if that's not the case and AMD cards aren't that much more expensive. That'd likely be it.

[AbedsBrother]

I ran an A770 as a daily driver for a few months (earlier this year). I try to forget those months. Absolutely terrible gaming experience. If someone wants to get Arc to accelerate video encoding, it lived up to its hype. But for gaming the drivers were trash in 50% of the games I played.

[pasa]

https://youtu.be/x_TTVfWuk6E just appeared. My conclusion is that the RTX here is just ridiculous for the price while the ARC is not impressive unless you look for "absolutely cheapest thing that works as dedicated GPU". For those who can afford the diff the 7600 wins hands down.

Then I guess we can expect an ARC 780 soon to retire the 770 (possibly with a significant price drop on the way out).