Is it worth buying an Intel Arc A770?

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Hey all.
My current RX 580 is getting a bit old and think about getting myself a new GPU, now that the prices are quite low, (at least in comparison to the chaos that was 2021) to finally play some games at better settings and buy new games, knowing that my GPU won't explode. (I also play at 1440P, managable for my 580, though it's noticable that I push this poor thing quite a bit when playing newer games)
Though at least for me, it's important to mention that I daily drive Linux and thus, some problems are more likely and some are less likely to occur. I generally run all games in Vulkan due to DXVK translating dx11 games. Meaning that I don't have to worry about the card's terrible dx11 performance. But again, running niche hardware on a niche operating system might also be the cause for quite a few issues.
Also the card has been out for over a year at this point, so I'm sure that the drivers, while not perfect, are at least in a somewhat usable state as of now. (I'm also using rolling release distributions, meaning that I always get the latest and greatest drivers)
Another positive upside would be that it's generally quite comparable to team green's and red's midrange GPUs. Probably even beating AMD when it comes to raytraced games (if I ever play games which support this).
Lastly, as I run a ryzen 3600. It's important to mention that I only have pcie 3. So it's not unlikely that the 7600 would throttle as it just uses 8 lanes. Intel arc has the full 16 lanes which should be enough, even on pcie3 speeds, as it's "just" a midrange GPU. Though I do have resizable bar, I got this functionality from a BIOS update, so I shouldn't miss out on too much performance.

So I want to ask about this forum's opinion on Intel Arc as a daily driver. Is it worth supporting the newcomer, well knowing that I will be an extreme niche usecase (gaming on both Linux and Intel Arc)? Or should I play everything safe and just buy a "boring" RX 7600, knowing that everything should work just fine. And if it doesn't, that the drivers will quickly catch up.

(And before anyone here even tries to recommend me one. No, I won't buy an Nvidia GPU. My Intel and AMD experience has been way too good in order to try out an Nvidia GPU with their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ proprietary drivers. Also ♥♥♥♥ Nvidia as a company.)

[76561199559798421]

personally for the price and ram i think the arc intel is worth it, that being said i did not purchase a better GPU yet or a computer, rather still using my 8gig Rx570 and its working fine for most games on medium settings.

but for the 300 dollars for a 16gig GPU it is not a bad price.

if you compare the arc to something like the Rx570 it is a major improvement and that is all that matters, if you compare it to a 400 or 500 dollar 12 gig gpu it will disappoint. but with 16gb it makes up for it.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

SuperGamer eredeti hozzászólása:

personally for the price and ram i think the arc intel is worth it, that being said i did not purchase a better GPU yet or a computer, rather still using my 8gig Rx570 and its working fine for most games on medium settings.

but for the 300 dollars for a 16gig GPU it is not a bad price.

if you compare the arc to something like the Rx570 it is a major improvement and that is all that matters, if you compare it to a 400 or 500 dollar 12 gig gpu it will disappoint. but with 16gb it makes up for it.

The problem is that the 16 gig version of the Arc was a limited edition. They are still around, but noticably more expensive.
Tho 16 gigs vram do be lookin kinda juicy.

[Syad]

Felix eredeti hozzászólása:

C1REX-PL eredeti hozzászólása:

I agree with others that you are asking for problems going with Intel.
6700XT is one of the best value GPUs.
Or if you are OK with used you can get 2080Ti.


However, if you are this kind of guy then supporting Intel would be good for the market. Nvidia has too much market share - it’s not healthy.

I agree on the last part.
Nvidia's 80% market share is just insane. Also as I've already stated. I am not interested in buying an Nvidia card.

You are not doing the market any favors by picking Intel. Intel users aren't eating away nvidia's share, they are cutting down AMD's share, as per your own words, you want to pick Intel over amd. Thing is, Intel discrete GPU's are just a seasonal side project for Intel, this time because they wanted to get that crypto pie piece but didn't manage it in time due to incompetence. They can abandon the Arc in a blink of an eye and nobody will care short of the unfortunate Arc users, now with even less driver support. If, on the other hand, AMD axes the radeons then we have real problems.

[r.linder]

No, the drivers aren't there yet for Linux, and the Arc GPUs so far are only actually good for DX12 and Vulkan titles, you're better off with an RX 6600 or 6700-XT.

[AbedsBrother]

Syad eredeti hozzászólása:

If, on the other hand, AMD axes the radeons then we have real problems.

Won't happen as long as AMD is making the console chips.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Again, thanks everyone for the replies.
I think I will go for an AMD card. Maybe see what my local retailer has to offer. Maybe a 7600, maybe a 6700xt. Lets see. The one has a lower power consumption, the other more vram.

[antoniobennett72]

I think the best value is to stretch a bit if you can't find a deal and get the 6700xt. The performance increase and additional RAM means a longer functional lifespan.

I think I saw a Power Color for $290 on Amazon today.

You will almost certainly be in need of an upgrade faster if you try a 4060, 750/770, or a 7600 tier card which I think you are better off pretending doesn't exist.

A new 8GB card in 2023 is all but demanding to buy another low to mid range card in 2024 or 2025 over like $30 bucks. They are struggling now, in two years they will be just above integrated graphics level.

Personally, I'd not seriously consider less than a 6800xt and cross my fingers that I could ride out this console generation for $400 by making the short term sacrifice of stretching for that last $100 but I know that can be a lot so the 6700xt should be seen as the floor for a new card in my eyes. Doubly so at 1440, you need that VRAM and the power.

You are actually in a "the more you spend, the more you will save" space here. Not spending the $30 is going to cost you performance and more likely than not more money sooner.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Also when looking it up.
The 6700xt also uses 16 pcie lanes, meaning that it's less likely to bottleneck on my pcie 3 mobo/cpu as it can use all available lanes. The 7600 only has 8 lanes (itself being a gen 4 card), meaning that lags or performance loss in general is more likely with this card. The performance loss shouldn't be too drastical, though I have seen tests where running the 7600 in pcie 3 mode definitely hurts performance. And 8 gigs of vram might also cause issues.

[KalGimpa]

i am reading a lot about these

they seem to be getting better and better with there drivers for 1080p

thinking of getting one to play around with

[Syad]

AbedsBrother eredeti hozzászólása:

Syad eredeti hozzászólása:

If, on the other hand, AMD axes the radeons then we have real problems.

Won't happen as long as AMD is making the console chips.

Consoles are low margin low power $500 closed ecosystem devices and can do whatever. PS5 PC equivalent is an RTX2070, a 2018 GPU and at that pace console AMD chips will reach the 4090 by the late 2030s, while nvidia will be twiddling their thumbs. If AMD GPU division is banished to consoles due to low profits, they are as good as dead.

[r.linder]

AMD won't drop Radeon any time remotely soon because they make enough money from it by selling GPUs at more affordable and competitive prices compared to Nvidia, which is the only real reason why Nvidia's prices haven't shot up to levels that would make their current pricing look cheap, because I'm betting if they didn't have any competition (and they wouldn't get punished for it), then the 4090 would cost thousands more than it already does and 60 tier cards would probably twice as much as they are now.

But the idea of Nvidia having no real competition in the GPU market also poses a problem for Nvidia, because they would be crossing the line into a monopoly, so it's actually in Nvidia's best interest to keep AMD Radeon at an arm's length so they can't win, but also so they can't lose, which is what they're doing.

Their decision to buy ARM was ultimately blocked by the legality side of things, because the FTC and others were presenting "significant regulatory challenges" for Nvidia and SoftBank. Most definitely because Nvidia's acquisition of ARM would have made them far too powerful in their industry. They would be able to decide who does and doesn't get to produce ARM-based products, which IIRC also includes some of AMD's console hardware but also a staggering portion of electronics around the world from many companies.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Why are y'all discussing about AMD leaving the GPU market?
They might "only" have ~15% market share on Steam. But this still means that there are millions of AMD users out there. And similarely to what @尺．し工几句ヨ尺 has said already.
It wouldn't surprise me if Nvidia would single handidly crash the entire PC gaming market, just go for whales and AI enterprise stuff, if they were to be the sole GPU manufacturer.

[AbedsBrother]

Syad eredeti hozzászólása:

AbedsBrother eredeti hozzászólása:

Won't happen as long as AMD is making the console chips.

Consoles are low margin low power $500 closed ecosystem devices and can do whatever. PS5 PC equivalent is an RTX2070, a 2018 GPU and at that pace console AMD chips will reach the 4090 by the late 2030s, while nvidia will be twiddling their thumbs. If AMD GPU division is banished to consoles due to low profits, they are as good as dead.

My point was that AMD won't "shut down Radeon" while they have a vested interest in designing & maintaining a gpu architecture. I get that ppl want Radeon to challenge Nvidia for the gaming performance crown, but that's probably not going to happen (unless Starfield performance was more than an anomaly & is indicative of a new trend). Doesn't mean Radeon is dead, or that their gpus are terrible.

[Syad]

AbedsBrother eredeti hozzászólása:

My point was that AMD won't "shut down Radeon" while they have a vested interest in designing & maintaining a gpu architecture. I get that ppl want Radeon to challenge Nvidia for the gaming performance crown, but that's probably not going to happen (unless Starfield performance was more than an anomaly & is indicative of a new trend). Doesn't mean Radeon is dead, or that their gpus are terrible.

Oh absolutely, but AMD(ATi) selling GPU trash is the niche they have occupied for a long time and were doing just fine, while the big guys (3dfx, nvidia) duked it out. But this is a situation the consumers definitely do not want to be, it would be a repeat of CPU situation where Intel hasn't been doing anything until Ryzen, despite having "competition".

[Bad 💀 Motha]

6700 XT are $300 new