pre built PC

[skipper]

I know ive been asking a few of these but i want to get it right. Ive been waiting out for the 4080TI version but that could be any date and price even more so for the 5000 series card.

At the moment i have a 2080ti and game at 4K and its showing its age. I dont want to just upgrade the one i have now as if i do other parts will probaly go so i might as well get a new one.

Ive had thisjust over 4 years which cost £2,500 at the time one with the 4080 is £3,091.47 inc VAT.

Link sends you to CCL where i be getting it from.

https://www.cclonline.com/cb-se-sybaris-chillblast-sybaris-core-i7-rtx-4080-gaming-pc/

The only thing i dont feel confident over is watercooler. What fan would you recommend what very cool and very quiet at 4K.

[potato]

there's no 4080 ti

[skipper]

Originally posted by potato:

there's no 4080 ti

What not even on table to come out they will just go stright to 5000 series you think?.

[potato]

Originally posted by skipper:

What not even on table to come out they will just go stright to 5000 series you think?.

i don't think there will be

[skipper]

Also i noticed all pre built with a 4080 plus is water cooler is that for a reason?

[Karumati]

Originally posted by skipper:

Also i noticed all pre built with a 4080 plus is water cooler is that for a reason?

Because water cooling is superior to air cooling

[skipper]

Only thing im scared of is not seeing much difference in performance then i do now.

[PopinFRESH]

Originally posted by skipper:

Only thing im scared of is not seeing much difference in performance then i do now.

20 series to 40 series will be an improvement especially with Ray tracing, however, we are a bit past where mid-cycle would be right now and I’d expect we will see some refresh some time soon-ish. That may be thrown off a bit given how long the release down the product stack took.

I think we are about a year out from the 50-series which could take a bit longer than is typical as it is rumored to be their first attempt at an MCM design. I’m expecting that we will either see a 50-series launch similar to the 40-series with a 5090 and a 5080 launching next October/November or it might get pushed back to GTC in March.

Given we are already this deep into the product cycle and given you still have a reasonably performing rig I’d personally try to hold out another year to see how things shake out. Also in that same vein, the Intel roadmap should be looking at launching their 15th gen core CPUs around then which are supposed to be their first consumer generation using GAA/Ribbon FET transistors.

EDIT: the 14th gen Intel CPUs are also due any day now so even if you don’t want to wait a whole year out, I’d still look at waiting for 14th gen and 40-series refresh

[Illusion of Progress]

nVidia has already stated (of course, this could change), that next generation is coming 2025, so the "usual two year gap" that would put it at late 2024 seemingly isn't happening. And given it will start at the high end, which includes the Titan-turned-GeForce, the "sane" priced ones will be even later and more towards mid to late 2025 maybe. Likewise, AMD is rumored to bow out of the high end next generation and it might like the RX 5000 series was (5700 XT was the highest end model).

I'm not sure what platform OP is on but an RTX 2080 Ti could still be good. But at 4K it's definitely a different situation. I don't see massive changes on the GPU side soon. Maybe nVidia brings a RTX 4080 Ti out at a slightly higher price than the RTX 4080 is now and similarly pushes the non-Ti down, and/or maybe Super refreshes with more VRAM come out for the other models. Maybe AMD brings out some xx50 overclocked models. That sort of stuff is the most I see happening before next generation. Improvements for sure, but nothing I'd find worth waiting on if you really need an uplift now.

[PopinFRESH]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

nVidia has already stated (of course, this could change), that next generation is coming 2025, so the "usual two year gap" that would put it at late 2024 seemingly isn't happening.

Do you have a source for where Nvidia has said this? I’m not doubting you, I just haven’t seen that they’ve said this.

[Illusion of Progress]

Don't ever apologize for asking for a source (though I get it and it's sad it has to be done).

For whatever reason it didn't seem to make the rounds on all the outlets, so it seemed sort of like a quiet "mentioned and forgotten" thing that not everyone caught.

This is where I originally came across it...

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/nvidia-confirms-geforce-rtx-50-series-launching-in-2025

And their source is here...

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/92120/nvidias-ada-lovelace-successor-the-geforce-rtx-50-series-set-to-launch-in-2025/index.html

Skimming it, seems it's more of a inference from a change (?) in their roadmap showing "Ada Lovelace Next" (Blackwell) as 2025 instead of late 2024, rather than a formal statement nVidia made though. On the other hand, nVidia never confirmed it for late 2024 to begin with (did the roadmap prior show it in 2024 or was that the first showing of it?), so either way the most formal thing coming from nVidia itself has it listed as 2025 right now.

I know I certainly wouldn't be surprised if that happens given how this generation seemingly came late in parts, and had small uplifts, probably due to oversupply after the pandemic/work from home/cryptocurrency boom. That's also going to push back the need to bring the next thing out. And with AMD rumored (key word) to be bowing out of the high end for at least next generation, and Intel's Arc seemingly on thin ice and probably not expected to match nVidia's current stuff, let alone the much more lucrative AI market... I can certainly see nVidia waiting for early 2025 instead of late 2024 for next generation consumer GeForce stuff, and maybe just bringing out refreshes between now and then if anything.

[PopinFRESH]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Don't ever apologize for asking for a source (though I get it and it's sad it has to be done).

For whatever reason it didn't seem to make the rounds on all the outlets, so it seemed sort of like a quiet "mentioned and forgotten" thing that not everyone caught.

This is where I originally came across it...

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/nvidia-confirms-geforce-rtx-50-series-launching-in-2025

And their source is here...

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/92120/nvidias-ada-lovelace-successor-the-geforce-rtx-50-series-set-to-launch-in-2025/index.html

Skimming it, seems it's more of a inference from a change (?) in their roadmap showing "Ada Lovelace Next" (Blackwell) as 2025 instead of late 2024, rather than a formal statement nVidia made though. On the other hand, nVidia never confirmed it for late 2024 to begin with (did the roadmap prior show it in 2024 or was that the first showing of it?), so either way the most formal thing coming from nVidia itself has it listed as 2025 right now.

I know I certainly wouldn't be surprised if that happens given how this generation seemingly came late in parts, and had small uplifts, probably due to oversupply after the pandemic/work from home/cryptocurrency boom. That's also going to push back the need to bring the next thing out. And with AMD rumored (key word) to be bowing out of the high end for at least next generation, and Intel's Arc seemingly on thin ice and probably not expected to match nVidia's current stuff, let alone the much more lucrative AI market... I can certainly see nVidia waiting for early 2025 instead of late 2024 for next generation consumer GeForce stuff, and maybe just bringing out refreshes between now and then if anything.

Thanks for the links. Wasn’t really apologizing but more so didn’t want it to come off rude. It wasn’t listed by name as 2024 previously afaik, but it was listed as “next next” indicating generationally it was planned for the end of next year. However, that was very early on and as you’ve noted it is likely pushed back a bit given the elongated release of the product stack for the 40-series. They’ve seemed to have made an effort to avoid launching consumer cards at GTC in recent years and unfortunately with how little real feature-for-feature competition from AMD and Intel they very well may push it toward 25’H2. Especially if they do a refresh in the near future.

[Illusion of Progress]

Yes by "don't apologize" I more meant to say "don't feel like you have to explain yourself for asking for a source" but I get it. A lot of people take requesting a source as a statement of "you're wrong" these days so it probably feels mandatory to add that disclaimer. I was basically saying I wouldn't take it that way, so ask for all the sources.

Anyway, if a refresh comes, it almost has to be Super cards (that name sounds so lame to me but I guess a name is just a name?) because everything has a Ti already except for the RTX 4080. For some odd reason, nVidia launched Ti cards are part of the regular initial product stack. My suspicion is that with how far apart pricing is at the top end now, they had to in order to not have wide pricing gaps, but that's just a guess.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

I just can not stress enough; BUILD YOUR OWN PC.
Or buy the parts and have someone very good with PCs assemble it all for you.
You do not want to buy PCs with custom water loop systems or GPU liquid cooling through the mail. I can almost guarantee it will get damaged along the way. Especially with an RTX 4080 or 4090 which are huge and very heavy GPU cards. Either of these make a 2080 Ti look tiny.

4090 can be easily beat anything the 3090 Ti can do; so it definitely puts a 2080 Ti to shame in every way imaginable.

However, the rest of your PC Specs are important too.

Can you list your full PC specs please?

As it's very possible it might not do well with such a high end GPU as your CPU could hold it back from performing like it should. Your PC Case and Power Supply is also important as some RTX 4080 or 4090 might not even fit inside your case; and your PSU might not be good enough to use with such GPUs.

[Agent]

Build it yourself always. Prebuilds usually cheap out on crappy motherboards, subpar PSU's, cooling solutions etc. Just so they can be like "oh look RTX 4080 and i7 for low cost!"

Yeah because half the parts are garbage and will give you problems in the future.