No good $ per fps anymore?

[Champion of Sparta]

Alrighty this might just be me, but back in 2017/2016 I got my second gaming rig together.
Ryzen 1800X
16Gb of DDR4 (cant remember the speed)
and a GTX 1080 MSI duke edition.

It has served me faithfully for years. However it has begun to show its age in the recent titles. Thankfully AMD had kept support for socket AM4 for over 5 years and I was able to upgrade to the 5800X after a bios update this last month during a sale. However gpu wise...I am dissapointed. I purchase my GTX 1080 for $469 back in 2016ish. And its been wonderful. However my gpu might be dying, I have started to see some black boxes pop up on my screen once in a while but they go away faster than I can blink. They are rare, but they happen. Factor this with the fact that I have upgraded my monitor from a 1080p for a ultrawide 1440p. And she is starting to struggle.

So I believed it was time an upgrade, and starting to look for a 1080 tier equivalent in 2023. And what do I see, I see that the price has more than doubled for a card equivalent of a 1080. The RTX 4080 ranges from 800 -1100 USD.

Now all I am looking for is that same 126% performance gain that I had coming from a GTX 780 to a GTX 1080. However NVIDIA has apparently failed to truly increase performance. The GTX 780 to 1080 was just a mere 2 generation gap, and had a increase of 126%. However the GTX 1080 to 3080 (same generation amount), only yields a performance of 45% increase, factor in the fact that now the 1080 to 4080 is 3 generations in, and somehow nvidia regained the performance increase back to 184% but is charging a ludicrously amounts of money.

I know that I am rambling on, but all I want, is another card that I can spend 400-500 on and last me the next 6.5 years like this one did, playing games on the higher settings at 3440x1440.....and im not finding it, or am I not looking hard enough?

Any help would be appreciated.

[Champion of Sparta]

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[Karumati]

I forgot that prices on ssd were that high back in the days

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Well what I would suggest is looking more into what kind of GPU you might need in order to get decent FPS in the games you play most, or looking forward to buying soon. And a GPU that will do that well enough at 1440p 21:9

1080p 21:9 was pretty much been abandoned by the industry. You won't find good panels for this anymore. I don't think you want to go buying a New-to-you Monitor; and have it be a panel that was made using "tech" from many years ago.

You definitely want it to have;
- FreeSync Premium (can be used as GSync on NVIDIA GPUs
- DisplayPort 1.4 or 2.0 (its just a must; leave the HDMI for a time when you might want to use a TV Screen)
- 144Hz minimum
- IPS Panel (not TN or VA)
- Screen of at least 30 inches or more. They don't really make these smaller; since the size incorporates the fact that it is Ultra Wide 21:9 ratio


EDIT:
Did not realize you have a 5800X CPU now; that definitely helps out.
What will also help a great deal is having 32GB of RAM; and another SSD for Games.
At this point the WD Blue should just be used for loose files, documents, downloads. Not for Games.

[Champion of Sparta]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Well what I would suggest is looking more into what kind of GPU you might need in order to get decent FPS in the games you play most, or looking forward to buying soon. And a GPU that will do that well enough at 1440p 21:9

1080p 21:9 was pretty much been abandoned by the industry. You won't find good panels for this anymore. I don't think you want to go buying a New-to-you Monitor; and have it be a panel that was made using "tech" from many years ago.

You definitely want it to have;
- FreeSync Premium (can be used as GSync on NVIDIA GPUs
- DisplayPort 1.4 or 2.0 (its just a must; leave the HDMI for a time when you might want to use a TV Screen)
- 144Hz minimum
- Screen of at least 30 inches or more. They don't really make these smaller; since the size incorporates the fact that it is Ultra Wide 21:9 ratio

My monitor Dell S3422DWG
34 in
3440 x 1440
144Hz
Aspect Ratio: 21:9. Viewing Angle is 178° (H) / 178° (V).Contrast Ratio : 3000:1 / 3000:1 (dynamic), Brightness : 400 cd/m²..Power Consumption Stand by : 0.3 Watt. Humidity Range Operating : 10 - 80% (non-condensing)
Display port 1.4
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B095X7RV77?th=1

I haven't used hdmi since 2017

[Bad 💀 Motha]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DXL2C1X

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814137773

[Champion of Sparta]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DXL2C1X

https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16814137773

Just letting you know, you are giving steams content analysis a heart attack. Its still proscessing, I can see the links you sent me by quoting you. My question is, is there nothing in the $450 range which can do what im seeking?

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by Champion of Sparta:

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

I'm not saying 45% equals 100%.

I'm asking where you got 45% from to begin with.

The RTX 3080 should be much closer to at least double the performance of the GTX 1080. It's certainly well, well, well over 45% faster at any rate.

Edit: I looked it up. *sigh* As I thought, you probably glanced at userfraudmark's "eFPS" number because that's the first place I'm seeing a 45% number between them, so you probably presumed that as the actual difference between them? If so, I suggest tossing that URL in the garbage where it belongs, and this is just one of many reasons why.

Would there be any reputable sites that you suggest to get my sources from?

Absolutely anything else. Literally anything else. A post of gibberish typed out by a cat walking across a keyboard is more reputable than that place.

And there's no end of information out there that makes it very easy to find how much they actually differ.

The two GPUs are only two generations apart, so there's bound to be reviews out there that include both. Alternatively, you can look at reviews of the RTX 3080 which include the RTX 20 series, and then look at reviews of the RTX 20 series which include the GTX 1080, and sort of bridge that gap.

Here's a couple of hierarchies/relative charts...

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-gtx-1080.c2839
(Scroll down the "relative performance" and see how the RTX 3080 compares.)

Here's a few reviews that include both...

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-review/3

https://www.techspot.com/review/2099-geforce-rtx-3080/

https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3618-nvidia-rtx-3080-founders-edition-review-benchmarks

(I just did a web search on "RTX 3080 review" to find those, so there's way more sources if you want the ones I didn't include here.)

I'm seeing it as closer to twice (100%) or times and a half (150%) faster, not 45%. It therefore almost matches what you're looking for exactly. Of course, the RTX 4070 now exists so you'd typically want to choose that over an RTX 3080 (at least if going new).

I'm sort of confused why you would have ever thought it was only 45% faster anyway. Regardless of what one source says, it's so obvious from every other factor that it should be much faster. Typically the x60 tier is around half the performance of the x80 tier (this may no longer apply with the RTX 40 series for certain reasons, but it's relatively true plus or minus going back), and the faster GTX 1080 Ti is routinely losing to the RTX 3060 non-Ti[www.techspot.com], so that should tell you a slower GTX 1080 is probably more than half as slow as the RTX 3080. Even if you're ballparking a bit there it's enough of a difference to tell you 45% is way off the mark. The GTX 1080 actually tends to fall closer to between the RTX 3050 and the RTX 3060.

[S.T.i llall i.V.E]

Give 250€ fore a "new" Mainboard and you will become Happy! Your Problem is because Old Mainboard and new CPU. I had the same Problem

[Introverted Gamer]

Originally posted by Karumati:

I forgot that prices on ssd were that high back in the days

whew.. I'm grateful that the prices of SSD's had a dramatic drop prices since the Fall of 2022. I paid almost 80$ for a 1TB 2.5 SSD in 2021 and though that I had a good deal back then. NVME's that were at least 1TB were all well over 100 dollars and they weren't even Gen4.

That gave me a flashback.

The ultimate budget gaming setup back in those days were a 240GB SSD(OS and Few selected Online/Demanding Games) paired with a 1TB 7.2K RPM HDD(Other Stuff and Less frequent/ demanding games). With SSD's priced so low these days, that pretty much render HDD obsolete for gaming storage.

[Karumati]

Originally posted by Introverted Gamer:

Originally posted by Karumati:

I forgot that prices on ssd were that high back in the days

whew.. I'm grateful that the prices of SSD's had a dramatic drop prices since the Fall of 2022. I paid almost 80$ for a 1TB 2.5 SSD in 2021 and though that I had a good deal back then. NVME's that were at least 1TB were all well over 100 dollars and they weren't even Gen4.

That gave me a flashback.

The ultimate budget gaming setup back in those days were a 240GB SSD(OS and Few selected Online/Demanding Games) paired with a 1TB 7.2K RPM HDD(Other Stuff and Less frequent/ demanding games). With SSD's priced so low these days, that pretty much render HDD obsolete for gaming storage.

Hdd only for movies or similar stuff these days, got recently nvme 4tb for 140

[wesnef]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Here's a couple of hierarchies/relative charts...

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gpu-hierarchy,4388.html

Yeah, that was the one I was about to link before I saw your post. . .

[Overseer]

If you are interested in relative performance numbers this german website has lot of them too.
https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Grafikkarten-Grafikkarte-97980/Specials/Rangliste-GPU-Grafikchip-Benchmark-1174201/2/
You just have to hover over a card to see how others compare. 1080 for example at 100% means the 3080 is at 227%.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Originally posted by Champion of Sparta:

Originally posted by Schrute_Farms_B&B:

Pretty much, yeah.
I was thinking the same.

OPs totally ignoring the humongous jump from 1080p (16:9/21:9?) to 21:9 on 1440p, inflation, the Mining boom a few years ago where manufacturers saw how much people are willing to pay for a dedicated GPU,raw material prices, and and and.

I honestly dont know where to begin. :D

And I also cant hear people saying "I want a card lasting me so and so and so much years to come" anymore
I mean give me a break. Ive seen people rocking the 900 series until this day and also folks (incl. myself), who tend to upgrade their graphics cards each and every generation, because playing demanding AAA games on 1440p (21:9) and 4k (16:9 and 21:9) and maintaining 60FPS was always a struggle. The struggle is still real btw.
This whole lasting thing is so subjective......

Not explicitly talking about OP btw about the lasting thing. Just in general.

edit:
You can have a 6700XT for 300-350 bucks and it will do you well on 1080p (16:9 and 21:9)
Thats much less you paid for your 1080 back then and youll get a better performance/price ratio.
But stepping up to 1440p on 21:9 will cost you significantly more.

Why is everybody hyperfixating on the 1440p aspect, that is not what I am even talking about. All I want is an overall 126% performance gain when I upgrade a card, I'm not talking about MAXING OUT 1440P ON ULTRA EXTEMEEEEE PRESET WITH SSA X4 ON.....All I am wanting is a 126% performance gain overall, whether it would of been at 1080p or not.

Stop fixating on the 1440p, because it honestly doesn't matter.
100 * 100% is 200
10 * 100% is 20
1 * 100% is 2

Okay then, but what about the other mentioned aspects which actually had a huge impact on todays GPU prices?

Whats your take on that?
How about the mentiond 6700XtTwhich would actually grant you a way better deal than the 1080 back then?

With all due respect, this thread feels more like a rant than you actually being interested into facts and how your post isnt really reasonable considering all the facts which have been brought up to refute your starting post.

edit:
All I can say, is that Team Red (which you actually tend to like and also had good experience CPUwise) grants you a pretty good $ to FPS Deal these days.
FE Editions of team green are also affordable, 3rd party manufacturers have still to adjust but overall, GPU prices are already at MSRP are as closer to it than the last 4-5 years and everything is recovering from the GPU mining boom a few years ago.

So yeah, you are a few years late. I would have agreed with you 1-2 years ago but now....come on.

[☎need4naiim☎]

Nowadays, to buy a better than mediocre card cost you as if you buy two x70 range cards for a SLI/Crossfire setup. But instead, the performance you get is somewhere around 4060ti, not even a real x70 level performance.

That's why we should get stubborn at not getting those ridiculously overpriced cards. It seems certain that manufacturers DON'T WANT the skyrocketed prices during mining craze to get normalized again. Hence, we must stay firm against their pricing. That RTX4070ti should never cost more than $500. The last $300 is an extra profit for NVIDIA taken out of our pockets.

[nullable]

Well don't forget AI driving demand for GPU computing.

If you don't like Nvidia products/prices buy AMD or Intel. I don't get the complaint the Nvidia is making money on it's products... that's kinda of the point. And it's not like you don't have options from competitors. Otherwise the price is the price.