whats the most powerful game this APU can run. (please dont be negative)

[Danny_Daniel]

Im looking into a gaming desktop with the AMD A10 5800K with intigrated AMD Radeon HD7660 Graphics. These are the specs

Frequency Base - 3.8GHz
Frequency Boost - 4.2GHz
Socket - AMD FM2
L2 Cache - 4MB
Max DDR3 - 1866MHz
Graphics - 800MHz
TDP - 100W

I seen videos of this exact APU on youtube running games like BattleField 4 (On medium settings), Assassins creed 4 (also medium settings), crysis 3 (unknown, probably medium), and FarCry 3 Just with the APU alone, no extra graphics card. I will post some of the videos I saw so you can see it as well

Battlefield 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhWMCo3x544

Assassins Credd 4: Black Flag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHGqS8Bb69k

Crysis 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6un5oNWim3s

FarCry 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guv8CCjw1FQ

[Danny_Daniel]

is it possible to buy a dedicated graphics card with the apu and get better performance

[Bad 💀 Motha]

APU is just a CPU with onboard GPU.
Most Intel CPUs are the same way.

Years ago the onboard video was built into the Motherboard Chipest. Not really true much anymore as most CPUs today have an onboard GPU right within the CPU chip itself. Good thing about that is you could change the onboard GPU based on CPU model.

But again u can also still use a PCI-E slot for a dedicated GPU too.

[Danny_Daniel]

Originally posted by Bad-Motha:

APU is just a CPU with onboard GPU.
Most Intel CPUs are the same way.

Years ago the onboard video was built into the Motherboard Chipest. Not really true much anymore as most CPUs today have an onboard GPU right within the CPU chip itself. Good thing about that is you could change the onboard GPU based on CPU model.

But again u can also still use a PCI-E slot for a dedicated GPU too.

What Im asking is. If I buy this desktop with the APU, can I buy a dedicated graphics card and combine the 2? So I would have an APU (CPU+GPU) + a dedicated GPU

[_I_]

the amd apu does support hybrid crossfire, but its better to buy a single better card
http://www.eteknix.com/kaveri-hybrid-crossfire-a10-7850k-a10-7700k-r7-240-250/8/

[Bad 💀 Motha]

^This

As combining together (linked) to the APU will just slow u down overall.
Slowest one is what they will run at as far as clock speeds, etc.

if u thinking, get an APU now, then maybe get like an AMD 260 GPU later.
Then just aim for a 270/280 GPU or so; the better card will be ALOT better performance all on it's own.

[Pomelo]

Either way it'd be better to go for a "normal" CPU + dedicated GPU.

Going for an APU will get you a rather lowish performance CPU with a lower end GPU that might play games alright at medium settings, however the moment you upgrade e.g. the GPU, it'll be pretty much pointless to have gotten an APU in the first place. It'd be a better idea to invest the money + maybe some more into a dedi CPU and dedi GPU, which will generally result in better performance and also a better upgrade path. Because with an APU, even if you get the strongest model available, you'll still only be at the lower end or at best midrange of CPU power.

[MA☝Omgwtfbbqstfu™]

Originally posted by dannydaniel:

Originally posted by Bad-Motha:

APU is just a CPU with onboard GPU.
Most Intel CPUs are the same way.

Years ago the onboard video was built into the Motherboard Chipest. Not really true much anymore as most CPUs today have an onboard GPU right within the CPU chip itself. Good thing about that is you could change the onboard GPU based on CPU model.

But again u can also still use a PCI-E slot for a dedicated GPU too.

What Im asking is. If I buy this desktop with the APU, can I buy a dedicated graphics card and combine the 2? So I would have an APU (CPU+GPU) + a dedicated GPU

Apu is a better than nothing car.... if you can afford better, get a normal cpu and a discrete video card, no two cards working together isn't a good solution, it only makes sense at the top end to get more than the best one card can do.

[Danny_Daniel]

Originally posted by abedsbrother:

Originally posted by _I_:

the amd apu does support hybrid crossfire, but its better to buy a single better card
http://www.eteknix.com/kaveri-hybrid-crossfire-a10-7850k-a10-7700k-r7-240-250/8/

Agree here. On the surface, it looks like like the Dual Graphics really gives an fps boost. For some AMD optimized games, it does. For others, though, the results are disappointing.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dual-graphics-crossfire-benchmark,3583.html (a year old, but still accurate IMO)

What can it run? Well, OP, the A10 5800k will on its own provide medium-settings 720p gaming; in some cases, high settings 720p gaming, or low settings 1080p gaming.

For max performance from the APU, you would need to have at least 8GB (2x4GB dual channel) 2133mhz ram at CAS latency 10. Lower mhz or higher CAS (11 would work and is more common but is less optimal), and you won't be getting the best out of the APU.

APUs represent good value for money in terms of being multi-purpose, but for gaming, a dedicated CPU / GPU is the way to go - something like an Intel Core i3 with a GTX 750ti would give you far more gaming performance for only a little more money (on a custom build, anyway).

So is that video of it running battlefield 4 accurate? I dont care if its not 1080p

[_I_]

at 722p it will play bf4 at 30fps

if your looking at a new pc with those specs, look tward a haswell pentium g and a dedicated gpu
it will have a much better upgrade path, i5/i7 which will not bottleneck high end gpus

[Danny_Daniel]

Originally posted by abedsbrother:

Originally posted by dannydaniel:

So is that video of it running battlefield 4 accurate? I dont care if its not 1080p

Battlefield 4 and Assassin's Creed IV vids you posted both look accurate, yes.

CAVEAT As I and others stated before, Ram is more crucial for APUs than other computers. Strikeshark in his demo vids is using 1866mhz ram (the same as the machine you are considering) with a CAS latency of 9. If the machine you are considering has 1x8GB stick of ram (instead of 2x4GB), the APU will seriously underperform. If your ram has a CAS latency of 10 or lower (9 is preferable if you want to duplicate what you see in the videos), then you should be fine.

Also to note: You don't mention your motherboard. Strikeshark in his videos uses a motherboard with the A85X chipset. This works fine. An A78 or A75 chipset would also work okay and would be more budget friendly, but you would be held back by the A55 chipset. Ideally, the best option is either the A88X or A78 chipset, which are compatible with the latest series of Kaveri APUs - should you desire to upgrade in the future.
Bottom line: If the computer you're considering is built on a motherboard with the A55 chipset, it will underperform. All others will be fine, though more or less upgradeable.

I sent you a request so we can talk more in privacy

[Danny_Daniel]

But this is the motherboard

MSI A88X-G43 FM2/FM2+ Motherboard.

[_I_]

if you plan on overclocking avoid msi amd mobos
http://www.overclock.net/a/database-of-motherboard-vrm-failure-incidents