DDR3 RAM Upgrade - ANSWERED
Alright so.. I currently have Corsair Vengeance 4x4GB 1600mhz for 16GB and had it for a number of years now and since then ive known they werent the same revision, 2 are XMP 1.2 and 2 are XMP 1.3, which i assume has affected my performance to one extent or another, even if it is a tiny amount my plan is to get 2x8GB for 3 reasons, pretty cheap these days, less strain on the memory controller if any, and easier to troubleshoot.

So my question is
Should i get 1600mhz again or 1866mhz?

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Отредактировано [☥] - CJ -; 5 июн. 2023 г. в 12:27
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I'm not home r/n but I think I have the supporting vids uploaded and maybe one or two others.

I also have the 4790k build still and have some 1866 cl9 I can test with if ya like. Will try and remember to update here ;)
I guess i could just get this https://www.amazon.com/Patriot-1866MHz-Desktop-Memory-Heatsink/dp/B00453R90W/

Corsair doesnt seem to have any available, so it may be my only option as far as price goes

idk.. i might just stick with Corsair 1600 2x8GB
Отредактировано [☥] - CJ -; 29 мая. 2023 г. в 11:08
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Well i mean, the rank stuff and 1 set being newer than the other set kinda annoys me a little bit.. and there seems to be (seemingly) very minor timing differences between the 2 @ XMP 1600, tRC 41 vs tRC 33, not that i know what that means.. But the older set says its running Dual Ranks while the newer set says its running Single.

The older RAM set appears to be the one with tRC 41..the older RAM set is the one i got when i built the PC, the newer RAM set shows a date code of 2015, so its a couple years newer than the original which makes sense as i got it to help with performance on ARK at the time.

i dont know
my main thing is just to have everything be the same, and i thought using 2 sticks instead of 4 would be better overall, especially with my systems age/architecture etc etc..

as far as the command rate goes, thats only showing up when using XMP which i am, according to CPU-Z thats the only time 2T comes into play, other RAM speeds (JEDEC) dont have it.

So like it's simply the idea of having an "ugly" ram configuration with different sticks kind of bothers you?.

If so I get it. I know this will sound really stupid but like maybe flip a coin ten times with each side representing a kit and then see which one wins. Like, don't use that as a deciding method if you want but maybe still continue researching and you're still stuck with in a tough spot to choose you can just be like "screw it, I'll just go with this one because it won the coin fips" lol.
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Hah , hah , it s very funny . I thought about this method but if the wrong side fell and it made me angry , that way i know what i really want - the opposite . So i dont toss coins . Just follow up the reasonable will.

lol, yeah I know right. You'd be like "I don't like that outcome, let me just flip ten more times until the one I want more wins" hehe.

Even then why would I even say 10 times? why not just once? once should be enough, but I said 10 as if a higher "win count" actually had any more significance over a single coin toss HAHA.
Автор сообщения: ☥ - CJ -
Well i mean, the rank stuff and 1 set being newer than the other set kinda annoys me a little bit.. and there seems to be (seemingly) very minor timing differences between the 2 @ XMP 1600, tRC 41 vs tRC 33, not that i know what that means.. But the older set says its running Dual Ranks while the newer set says its running Single.

The older RAM set appears to be the one with tRC 41..the older RAM set is the one i got when i built the PC, the newer RAM set shows a date code of 2015, so its a couple years newer than the original which makes sense as i got it to help with performance on ARK at the time.

i dont know
my main thing is just to have everything be the same, and i thought using 2 sticks instead of 4 would be better overall, especially with my systems age/architecture etc etc..

as far as the command rate goes, thats only showing up when using XMP which i am, according to CPU-Z thats the only time 2T comes into play, other RAM speeds (JEDEC) dont have it.
Ranks are additive, as opposed to being like other specifications where it uses either the highest or lowest of whatever both can do. You don't need them to match. They will always be additive in a four module configuration because you will have multiple modules in the same channel, whereas two modules in a proper dual channel configuration has only one module per channel so it just... has the rank count of whatever any single module has.

It's typically better when it's higher. Ranks increase performance (usually inconsequentially) and increase demand on the IMC (but your system has been stable for the better part of a dozen years with it and still is, so it's not a problem). Besides that, it's all arbitrary. it's not a spec that has to "match" because the system doesn't "match" anything to it. Ranks are purely additive.
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https://steamcommunity.com/app/271590/discussions/0/2530372519565308537/
Don't take this as disrespect to the time and effort you put into that, because I typically appreciate people who do that (your examples with the RX 6500 was a good one), but your comparison involves one game, and it involves a comparison between 1333 MHz CL9 to 2400 MHz CL10. You are comparing nearly the slowest DDR3 speed to the fastest, and more than that, without really raising timings (which usually do go up with faster RAM). OP has 1600 MHz CL9 already so things will be a bit of a different story because there's far less room to improve. If they were on 1333 CL double digits I'd say mayyyybe worth it, but 1600 MHz CL9 to 1866 MHz CL10? Literal waste of money. Just get a used Core i7 2600K for around the same; at least that's something meaningful.

You might think a given point is the "ideal spot" in a vacuum, but even then I don't think you would disagree that being at the spot right below that warrants the cost of replacing the entire RAM configuration, no? I don't think it does, especially since OP will lose ranks, and while it's not much, neither is the gain to be had from 1600 MHz to 1866 MHz (especially with a timings increase), so it's going to be pointless. Might as well throw the money away to be honest. It's better set aside for a platform replacement.

Now as I said earlier, if there were a need for more RAM capacity (I was there three years ago on DDR3 and still decided it wasn't worth the investment), then maybe it would be worth these considerations as OP would be having to start from nothing anyway. But investing in DDR3 RAM now just to go from 1600/CL9 to above? Waste of money. And that's totally ignoring the considerations of if OP's system be able to run RAM to that point. Even if that was a given (which it's not), it's a waste of money to change RAM to move up a speed grade or two. It's a dozen year old platform. Most changes you can make to it won't be cost effective anymore.
Отредактировано Illusion of Progress; 29 мая. 2023 г. в 20:04
I personally have 16 GB of DDR4 RAM, cost me US$50. Planning to buy it again to have 32 GB.

so i'd say to do that. The difference between the two speeds is amazing (though if you only play old games, it doesn't matter as much).
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I personally have 16 GB of DDR4 RAM, cost me US$50. Planning to buy it again to have 32 GB.

so i'd say to do that. The difference between the two speeds is amazing (though if you only play old games, it doesn't matter as much).
OP s mobo supports DDR3
for some reason i just kinda forgot that the motherboard determines what ya use, lol.

well, my advice is still valid for anyone reading who doesn't mind upgrading their motherboard (or has a DDR4 one already).
If you upgrade to a Motherboard that uses DDR4 then OP has to change CPU and RAM entirely.
Автор сообщения: Bad 💀 Motha
If you upgrade to a Motherboard that uses DDR4 then OP has to change CPU and RAM entirely.
yeah, i know.

in my defense, it's 3 AM and my brain has been fried for a few days lol
There's no point in spending more money on this rig, especially if you aren't going to see a decent jump in performance. Just my opinion.

I have a feeling the performance issues the OP is having is most likely related to the very old sandy bridge i5 they are still running. It has only 4 cores and no hyperthreading, along with missing modern instructions that may be important in some apps and games. Many games will start to stutter hard when the CPU usage is near 100%, and it being paired with a 1070 is probably not going to help, i can see the 1070 being held back a bit.

Also, the OPs hardware is over 10 years old. It's getting to the point where something will most likely give out at some point, Windows 10 support ends in less than 2 years too. I would retire it, and rip out the 1070 to use in a new build. Something like a 12th gen i3 will run circles around this thing and OP will have a modern platform, with a good upgrade path for later.

You got a good amount of life out of that platform though. I was using my old i5 4690k in a plex server up until a year ago until the motherboard died. Might be something to think about.
Отредактировано It's Chase; 31 мая. 2023 г. в 7:30
So while I do still back my views that RAM speed does matter now and have an impact with modern software on older hardware (it does)...

I will toss out that I agree with most that even if you upgrade the 2500k will be your weak link. You would be better off with a 2600k/2700k/(MB supporting) 3770k.

Then, if you have the cache, get the faster ram to back the better CPU. You will see a much larger uplift from a faster 4c/8t part than you will from the RAM.

In the benching I was doing I was using a 4790k with OC, so basically a CPU that would smash a 2500k : /

I did notice good gains on my 2700k build going from 1600 cl9 to 1866 cl9. Not as much as the economy class 1333 to 2400, but still noticable.
Автор сообщения: xSOSxHawkens
So while I do still back my views that RAM speed does matter now and have an impact with modern software on older hardware (it does)...

I will toss out that I agree with most that even if you upgrade the 2500k will be your weak link. You would be better off with a 2600k/2700k/(MB supporting) 3770k.

Then, if you have the cache, get the faster ram to back the better CPU. You will see a much larger uplift from a faster 4c/8t part than you will from the RAM.

In the benching I was doing I was using a 4790k with OC, so basically a CPU that would smash a 2500k : /

I did notice good gains on my 2700k build going from 1600 cl9 to 1866 cl9. Not as much as the economy class 1333 to 2400, but still noticable.

You have to factor in price though. A used 3770k is going to set back OP $60 on ebay, maybe cheaper if they can find a better deal. You'll only be gaining hyperthreading, which will help a bit, but not much. Most games really favor cores instead of threads.

RAM is going to be around $30 for x2 8gb DDR3 sticks, might be more if you want 1866mhz.

I mean sure you'll notice a difference in performance, but not a BIG jump, and certainly not worth almost $100 for a system this age in my opinion.
Guys, this post is from 2017 and is talking about DDR3 RAM, this guy is long past needing advice.
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