Ryzen 5 5600 or 5600x

[Dawido]

I asked my mom to get me new CPU on Kid's day (Holiday mostly common in post-warsaw pact countries) but she sayed that she don't have money for it right now, but I seen that Ryzen 5 5600 is like 160 zł cheaper, so maybe I should choose it? As I heard there isn't really a big difference between those both CPUs

[ChickenBalls]

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5600G will provide you the same performance as 5600 non X.

It will not. The 5600 and 5600X are almost equal. The 5600G is a bit slower than either, being around halfway between the 3600X and the 5600 siblings. It's missing half the cache of the 5600/5600X and this decreases its performance.

not just a bit slower more like a lot slower

https://youtu.be/w1WivVNrD0g

https://www.cpu-monkey.com/en/compare_cpu-amd_ryzen_5_5600g-vs-amd_ryzen_5_5600x

AMD is known for confusing names like rebadging rx 570 as 580 in certain regions.

The 5600G not only has half as much L3 cache as 5600X/5600 but its on a different architecture.

[HypersleepyNaputunia]

5600g is really tempting to me too with the internal gpu

[Illusion of Progress]

Opprinnelig skrevet av ChickenBalls:

The 5600G not only has half as much L3 cache as 5600X/5600 but its on a different architecture.

It's technically still Zen 3 (though they have different code names due to being monolithic chips as opposed to chiplet-based like most AMD CPUs are these days, but the "core architecture" is still otherwise identical). The APUs in older generations, like the 3000 series and older, actually would be a generation behind.

For example, a Ryzen 3000 series is "Zen 2" but an APU with a Ryzen 3000 series number is "Zen+" (this is the Ryzen 2000 series CPU architecture).

With the 5000 series, it's actually the same generation, but yes the 5600G (and 5500) are still not quite equal to the "normal" Ryzen 5000 series CPUs. The biggest reason is they only have half the cache of their 5600 siblings. As I said earlier, they are basically exactly halfway between Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000 series) and Zen 3 (Ryzen 5000 series).

3600 = 3600X < 5600G = 5500 < 5600 = 5600X

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-5600-and-ryzen-5-5500-review/3

[Bad 💀 Motha]

5600 vs 5600G in most gaming scenarios though you generally won't be able to see any difference for the most part.

All depends what you intend to use the PC for. Any kind of pro work apps might benefit from the higher cpu cache. Where as games will not

[Illusion of Progress]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Bad 💀 Motha:

5600 vs 5600G in most gaming scenarios though you generally won't be able to see any difference for the most part.

All depends what you intend to use the PC for. Any kind of pro work apps might benefit from the higher cpu cache. Where as games will not

That seems quite backwards. I'm not sure how you arrived at the opinion that cache isn't important in games but that it is in professional applications. The X3D CPUs precisely show potentially big uplifts in games but not so much in professional applications, despite having a lower clock speed.

But that aside, we can actually look at results of the 5600G and 5600 (or 5600X) directly in games. I linked to some in my prior post. The 5600G shares the same exact Zen 3 core architecture that the 5600 and 5600X have, yet the 5600G is halfway between Zen 2 (3600 series) and Zen 3 (5600 series) in performance. I'd say that signifies that, yes, missing half the cache is a pretty notable thing here as it means the 5600G loses half the architectural improvement performance due to missing that cache. That's not insignificant. That takes the uplift the new generation offers and cuts it in half.

Sure, you might not notice it blindly, but that's a separate matter. In some situations, you might not be able to tell apart some pretty significant differences blindly, either. Does that mean things you can't tell apart are the same? I wouldn't say so.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yea and I see the 5600G lacks PCIE 4.0 support; so yea forget what I said.

If it's saving you that much, overall yes I see hardly any real world performance difference between 5600 vs 5600X

5600 is basically a newer 5600X and the only "con" to speak of is the 4.4Ghz instead of 4.6Ghz; not a big deal at all.

Much like the tiny difference between the 5700X vs 5800X
The newer 5700X basically replace the 5800X, same performance at a lower price.

5600 and 5700X being a newer revision over the previous 5600X and 5800X

But yea I didn't realize how gimped the 5600G was until I look at the full specs; terrible really.

[r.linder]

You can easily assume that any Ryzen processor with a G isn't all that great, since it's an APU. They tend to gimp the CPU too much just to make the iGP not complete garbage.

[mtono]

Opprinnelig skrevet av 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

You can easily assume that any Ryzen processor with a G isn't all that great, since it's an APU. They tend to gimp the CPU too much just to make the iGP not complete garbage.

i have amd am4 ryzen 4650pro...i think fast enough for games like doom eternal and for the price more than very good. i am waiting for my intel 750 gfx board...to frag around a little. and the 32gb ram-show no one needs yet. FHD is enough for happy gaming, isnt it?
comment: you tell kids without money, that they need highend hardware. this is simply not true. i dont want to be offensive. i want to support everyone by writing stuff in here and i dont use/havent got the money for this highend hardware. i prefer nvidia 3060 12 gb from 4090 nvidia highend card., in case i want to frag with my computer. them are enough.
thx.

[antoniobennett72]

Small x preference.

Like no more than 20 extra. Not a penny more.
I just figure it is higher binned chip so you hope to buy in a touch greater reliability and performance but not enough difference to be bidding myself up much.

[A&A]

Opprinnelig skrevet av owl rly?:

i have amd am4 ryzen 4650pro...i think fast enough for games like doom eternal and for the price more than very good. i am waiting for my intel 750 gfx board...to frag around a little. and the 32gb ram-show no one needs yet. FHD is enough for happy gaming, isnt it?
comment: you tell kids without money, that they need highend hardware. this is simply not true. i dont want to be offensive. i want to support everyone by writing stuff in here and i dont use/havent got the money for this highend hardware. i prefer nvidia 3060 12 gb from 4090 nvidia highend card., in case i want to frag with my computer. them are enough.
thx.

hEhEhE
5800X3D goes brrrrrr... but you are GPU bottlenecked :D

[mtono]

yes i am

[A&A]

Opprinnelig skrevet av owl rly?:

yes i am

btw, your CPU is fine and Ryzen 5 4600G is ok option if you can't get Ryzen 5 3600

[mtono]

thx you