Bullwark 2023 年 5 月 27 日 上午 6:39
MSI GeForce RTX 2080 Ti GAMING Z TRIO with i7 7700K
Hello all!

I'm struggling to find out about the possible bottleneck with the RTX 2080 Ti and my i7-7700K.

Currently I run:
MSI z270 gaming M3
MSI GeForce 1070 Ti 8GB VRAM
Intel i7-7700K
G.Skill Trident 64GB DDR4
Sata HDD 2TB
Samsung SSD 250GB
NVME M.2. 2TB
Dark Base 900
Be Quiet Pure Power 10 600W
1440p Monitor

I found someone in my area that will give away a 2080Ti for around 350€. So I'm considering the upgrade from my 1070Ti.
Would it be a good match? PC-builds bottleneck tester calculated 5,2% of a CPU bottleneck. But I know they're not accurate, cause they don't know what I'm actually doing.
I do video editing and gaming. Everything's in 1440p. So far everything runs stable and is working great. With the 2080Ti I thought I could max out the longevity of my system a bit. Plus the additional VRAM might come in handy.

What are your thoughts? Even if the bn is at 5,2%, how much would that be of an impact. It doesn't seem to be noticable out of my perspective...which is narrow when it comes to this ;)!

Happy for every input!
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r.linder 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:25 
引用自 Wichtelman
7700K would be the main bottleneck after installing the 2080 Ti, but it won't be that much of an issue in most instances as the 7700K is still a competent CPU. You're more likely to see bottlenecking from core/thread count rather than the performance of the cores.

Your PSU could become a problem as the total power draw of your system at stock is closer to 525~550W, you won't be able to add more drives or overclock anything, I've had an MSI 2080 Ti and I've seen it go up to 350+ watts before. Rumpelcrutchskin is correct.

I would recommend something like the Corsair RM750e, great efficient power supply for the price. You don't need to spend a crap ton on a PSU, and the newer RM/RMe units are made to run cool and quiet. I have an RM850 (2021) myself and it's practically silent.

you could run an i9-10900k + 2080 ti on his psu...
Not with his specs, I wouldn't recommend it. You're only looking at CPU+GPU. PCPartPicker's power draw estimations for his entire system is another story, the estimation is over 500W because the 2080 Ti isn't straight up capped to 250W. I had an MSI 2080 TI before and I've seen it reach over 350W AT FACTORY SETTINGS. A 10900K under full load can draw over 300W. It would trip the power supply and shut it off. Your claim is just outlandish.

You're also suggesting that someone take chances with and an aged tier B (for mid-range systems) unit when their total power draw under load would put more stress on the unit and potentially shorten its lifespan, because you think it's a waste of money. Pretty irresponsible, if the unit were to suffer a catastrophic failure and damage components, would cost him more. Power supplies also wear down over time and become less suitable for hardware that it once ran fine, it's always better to have as much headroom as possible between what your system actually uses versus all of the trip points, and an 80+ rated power supply is most efficient when running nearest to half of its maximum load. 650W would be the dead minimum.

The 6800 draws less power than the 2080 Ti in actuality, I've seen over 500W power consumption between my i9-10850K and 2080 Ti (back when I had that GPU) before in Cyberpunk.
最後修改者:r.linder; 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:34
Wichtelman 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:33 
引用自 Wichtelman

you could run an i9-10900k + 2080 ti on his psu...
Not with his specs, I wouldn't recommend it. You're only looking at CPU+GPU. PCPartPicker's power draw estimations for his entire system is another story, the estimation is over 500W because the 2080 Ti isn't straight up capped to 250W. I had an MSI 2080 TI before and I've seen it reach over 350W AT FACTORY SETTINGS. A 10900K under full load can draw over 300W. It would trip the power supply and shut it off.

You're also suggesting that someone take chances with and an aged tier B (for mid-range systems) unit when their total power draw under load would put more stress on the unit and potentially shorten its lifespan, because you think it's a waste of money. Pretty irresponsible, if the unit were to suffer a catastrophic failure and damage components, would cost him more.

seriously update your information as im talking about total system power and you can see that in the gamersnexus video... if you worry about age of his psu he should upgrade even without the rtx 2080 ti...
r.linder 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:41 
引用自 Wichtelman
Not with his specs, I wouldn't recommend it. You're only looking at CPU+GPU. PCPartPicker's power draw estimations for his entire system is another story, the estimation is over 500W because the 2080 Ti isn't straight up capped to 250W. I had an MSI 2080 TI before and I've seen it reach over 350W AT FACTORY SETTINGS. A 10900K under full load can draw over 300W. It would trip the power supply and shut it off.

You're also suggesting that someone take chances with and an aged tier B (for mid-range systems) unit when their total power draw under load would put more stress on the unit and potentially shorten its lifespan, because you think it's a waste of money. Pretty irresponsible, if the unit were to suffer a catastrophic failure and damage components, would cost him more.

seriously update your information as im talking about total system power and you can see that in the gamersnexus video... if you worry about age of his psu he should upgrade even without the rtx 2080 ti...
It's a mid-range power supply that wasn't meant for high end power designs and is known to trip because of high power draw. I've seen first hand what a system like that can actually draw, it's too close to the limits of that unit that I would ever recommend keeping it for that system in particular. I've seen my own 2080 Ti spike up to just about 400W, and even the FE model can spike up to 360.
Wichtelman 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:47 
引用自 Wichtelman

seriously update your information as im talking about total system power and you can see that in the gamersnexus video... if you worry about age of his psu he should upgrade even without the rtx 2080 ti...
It's a mid-range power supply that wasn't meant for high end power designs and is known to trip because of high power draw. I've seen first hand what a system like that can actually draw, it's too close to the limits of that unit that I would ever recommend keeping it for that system in particular. I've seen my own 2080 Ti spike up to just about 400W, and even the FE model can spike up to 360.

you are aware how much watt an i9-10900k "non oc" vs i7-7700k system paired with rtx 2080 ti draws under full load?
i think i believe my experience and gamersnexus + hardwareunboxed more... that said if he has the money im not against a psu upgrade...
最後修改者:Wichtelman; 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 2:50
r.linder 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:03 
引用自 Wichtelman
It's a mid-range power supply that wasn't meant for high end power designs and is known to trip because of high power draw. I've seen first hand what a system like that can actually draw, it's too close to the limits of that unit that I would ever recommend keeping it for that system in particular. I've seen my own 2080 Ti spike up to just about 400W, and even the FE model can spike up to 360.

you are aware how much watt an i9-10900k "non oc" vs i7-7700k system paired with rtx 2080 ti draws under full load?
i think i believe my experience and gamersnexus + hardwareunboxed more... that said if he has the money im not against a psu upgrade...
A stock 10900K at full load can reach 332W if allowed to by BIOS :steamfacepalm:

The entirety of the system can draw enough power to be considered too close enough to the limit of that power supply for comfort, that's the point. Based on their specs as well, price probably isn't that much of a concern for something that costs as little as 100$. (RM750e 2023)
最後修改者:r.linder; 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:03
emoticorpse 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:08 
引用自 Wichtelman

you are aware how much watt an i9-10900k "non oc" vs i7-7700k system paired with rtx 2080 ti draws under full load?
i think i believe my experience and gamersnexus + hardwareunboxed more... that said if he has the money im not against a psu upgrade...
A stock 10900K at full load can reach 332W if allowed to by BIOS :steamfacepalm:

The entirety of the system can draw enough power to be considered too close enough to the limit of that power supply for comfort, that's the point. Based on their specs as well, price probably isn't that much of a concern for something that costs as little as 100$. (RM750e 2023)

If he were to plan on upgrading his PSU with the gpu, maybe he'd be better off just adding the money he would have paid for the PSU for a more modern efficient gpu that uses less power but performs on par? Or at least considering it and looking at prices would make some sense to me just to have an alternate route we can discuss.
最後修改者:emoticorpse; 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:09
Wichtelman 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:09 
引用自 emoticorpse
A stock 10900K at full load can reach 332W if allowed to by BIOS :steamfacepalm:

The entirety of the system can draw enough power to be considered too close enough to the limit of that power supply for comfort, that's the point. Based on their specs as well, price probably isn't that much of a concern for something that costs as little as 100$. (RM750e 2023)

If he were to plan on upgrading his PSU with the gpu, maybe he'd be better off just adding the money he would have paid for the PSU for a more modern efficient gpu that uses less power but performs on par?

agree
Wichtelman 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:19 
引用自 Wichtelman

you are aware how much watt an i9-10900k "non oc" vs i7-7700k system paired with rtx 2080 ti draws under full load?
i think i believe my experience and gamersnexus + hardwareunboxed more... that said if he has the money im not against a psu upgrade...
A stock 10900K at full load can reach 332W if allowed to by BIOS :steamfacepalm:

The entirety of the system can draw enough power to be considered too close enough to the limit of that power supply for comfort, that's the point. Based on their specs as well, price probably isn't that much of a concern for something that costs as little as 100$. (RM750e 2023)

see thats the issue you are talking about removing power limits or overclocking and there i would agree with you... that said i mentioned the limit of a 600 watt psu just because of the principle... op has an i7-7700k "95 watt cpu" and you can see how much watt it draws paired with a rtx 2080 ti in the video...
Bullwark 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 3:25 
Thanks to all for your input!
引用自 Wichtelman
引用自 emoticorpse

If he were to plan on upgrading his PSU with the gpu, maybe he'd be better off just adding the money he would have paid for the PSU for a more modern efficient gpu that uses less power but performs on par?

agree
Thing is, my current PSU has only two PCI-e connectors. And the 2080 Ti is interesting to me, because it's the last card that uses PCI-e 3.0. Plus I don't have a great feeling about jumping generations.

So anything newer would require me to get another PSU regardless.
And a whole new build I'd do in 3-4 years.
76561198343548661 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 9:42 
RTX 4070 12GB 200W . It would be more expensive than that card + new PSU , although it would pay back in a certain time by saving power . Another option is to underclock that GPU in order to ensure lower power draw .
最後修改者:smallcat; 2023 年 5 月 27 日 下午 9:47
Bullwark 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 6:36 
引用自 smallcat
RTX 4070 12GB 200W . It would be more expensive than that card + new PSU , although it would pay back in a certain time by saving power . Another option is to underclock that GPU in order to ensure lower power draw .
No, I would never do such a thing. That's what I meant with "jumping generations". I'm sure this will cause problems.
A 1080Ti would be the perfect option and the 2080Ti the furthest I'd go with that system.
Guydodge 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 6:59 
i'd go for it the 7700k can be overclocked and in this situation should be thats why
the K is there use it.
Bullwark 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 7:15 
引用自 Guydodge
i'd go for it the 7700k can be overclocked and in this situation should be thats why
the K is there use it.
I barely knew how a CPU bottleneck would affect me and found out with the help others that I'd need another PSU if I upgrade.
Do you really thnk I'm ready for overclocking, or de-liding XD?
I also read about how to make an i9-9900K work in my mainboard by doing some hard- and software modifications.

Nah, thanks. I don't think I could handle this.
最後修改者:Bullwark; 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 7:17
plat 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 8:05 
A wise decision not to modify the board for a 9900K.

Here is one person's recommended psu for this combination:

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti/intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz/

You can also monitor psu delivery in-game by using RivaTuner Statistics Server's onscreen display--specifically enabling the "GPU PCI-e +12 volt Input Power" setting in the HWiFO64's RTSS OSD tab --gear setting at bottom of UI). There might be other relevant settings there. Both apps have to run together to get this in-game display.

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

A little complicated but the info might help instead of just guessing. You're at the borderline psu-wise, acc. to some online sources. So I would get some info from your system first in a "real world" context.
Bullwark 2023 年 5 月 28 日 上午 8:39 
引用自 plat
A wise decision not to modify the board for a 9900K.

Here is one person's recommended psu for this combination:

https://www.gpucheck.com/gpu/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti/intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20ghz/

You can also monitor psu delivery in-game by using RivaTuner Statistics Server's onscreen display--specifically enabling the "GPU PCI-e +12 volt Input Power" setting in the HWiFO64's RTSS OSD tab --gear setting at bottom of UI). There might be other relevant settings there. Both apps have to run together to get this in-game display.

https://www.hwinfo.com/download/

A little complicated but the info might help instead of just guessing. You're at the borderline psu-wise, acc. to some online sources. So I would get some info from your system first in a "real world" context.
Thanks! I appreciate the advice with the "real world" context!

Unfortunately my current PSU only has 2 PCI-e connectors, so when I upgrade I'd need another supply. 2080Ti needs 3 connectors.
But it definitely is a good idea to check what my system "eats" so far, to get a much better grasp on things!
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