Nvidia's new GPU is awesome. It just works!

[ChickenBalls]

It so awesome that every rtx 3060 Ti owner should get it.

https://youtu.be/WLk8xzePDg8

https://youtu.be/Y2b0MWGwK_U

[Illusion of Progress]

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Well, my end game is definitely not to get everyone to love Nvidia or pardon them for wrongdoings but to bring the consensus somewhere where Nvidia is treated fairly compared to other businesses. I don't see other business being demonized like Nvidia.

How many other companies are in nVidia's exact situation in this case? Not many.

It's a long term market duopoly, one that has been filled with collusion (!) between themselves and their lone competitor (at the time ATI, and now AMD), and one that is an effective monopoly at the moment due to lack of competition from their competition.

The last time the PC sector saw this was with Intel in the mid 2010s, and they also got criticized for it. Not quite as much (notice the recurring thing is both Intel and nVidia were the more popular brands in the market so that explains why the backlash was slow and quiet to start until it actually got bad enough), but then again as I said my opinion was that nVidia is doing it to an even further extreme.

The recent criticism has merit to me, but that's just my opinion, and that is why.

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Like I said before, I really don't see how a circumstantial historical pattern of price to performance gains should in any way lead to what will come. As an educated guess sure, but nothing more.

I mean, if that were the case we could predict when the next World War will be. Or What size tv screens will be in 2030. I just don't think it should be seen as solid as a mathematical computation where 2+2 WILL equal 4.

Just in terms of reality, no, a given trend existing doesn't mean it will always be one. Things come and go, ebb and flow, rise and decline. Such is reality. Current trajectories aren't guaranteed to be static.

By that's more of a long term, stepped back approach. If you're in the market of making something that needs to get faster to encourage people to upgrade, then if the gains become smaller and the prices become higher, it puts people off from upgrading as often. There exist people who will upgrade anyway, but the majority of the market isn't like those you'll find around here, who upgrade to the high end every other generation almost regardless. The reality that "things aren't always guaranteed or constant" isn't going to prevent criticism (nor from it having merit) from the rest.

Sure, nVidia doesn't OWE consumers a given price for performance pacing. Nor do consumers owe nVidia a good opinion based on the fact that "well, that's reality" regardless of their offerings. It's a two way street.

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At least you admit it. But I'm seeing some do it and they might admit the same thing but how is it that they're not smart enough to work for a gpu company but they are smart enough to tell what they're doing wrong?. And if they are smart enough, why aren't they?.

You can be less than capable of working for a given company but still have opinions that they are "doing something wrong".

A distinction needs to be drawn here. Companies define success in profits, consumers define success in satisfaction with a given offering.

All you're pointing out is that these can be at odds, and that some consumers wouldn't make great people to lead a company to success by modern systemic definitions. It doesn't mean those complaints have no meaning.

[secuda]

I am so glad i picked a monitor that support both manufactor not just nvidia. But yea it was a train wreck.

[UserNotFound]

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It so awesome that every rtx 3060 Ti owner should get it.

https://youtu.be/WLk8xzePDg8

https://youtu.be/Y2b0MWGwK_U

Nice! Here's an award!!!

[Pocahawtness]

Another amazing opportunity for AMD to miss.

[Skkooomer Lord]

My 7900 XT also just works.

[The Presence]

Isn't there supposed to be a 4060 Ti with 16GB later as well?

[wesnef]

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Isn't there supposed to be a 4060 Ti with 16GB later as well?

Yep, for 499.

[Mike]

This is the exact reason why I recently bought an RTX 3070 instead of the 4070.
The extra buck, which was significant, wasn't worth it for me.

[The Presence]

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Isn't there supposed to be a 4060 Ti with 16GB later as well?

Yep, for 499.

A little too pricey, in my opinion.

[emoticorpse]

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Yep, for 499.

A little too pricey, in my opinion.

What do you think is a fair price for that?

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

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A little too pricey, in my opinion.

What do you think is a fair price for that?

$199

[emoticorpse]

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What do you think is a fair price for that?

$199

Still way too high

[Overseer]

350 for the 16 GB model would be fine. 300, maybe 320 for the 8 GB.
The Mindfactory sales analysis will be interesting to see. Cards are more expensive in the EU and i do wonder how the consumer reacts to these new cards.

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/mindfactory-researchthe-cost-of-a-graphics-card-increased-by-a-factor-of-two-between-2020-and-2023.html

[The Commendatore]

The whole Jay thing aside I commented on, my twocents:

The 4060 Ti, regardless of the 8 or 16GB variant, only serves to make the rest of their lineup look good or a "better value".

And for some ungodly reason, AMD managed to turn that perfect opportunity into a failure when they panicked.

All Intel has to do is stay silent and do their thing.

[Illusion of Progress]

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A little too pricey, in my opinion.

What do you think is a fair price for that?

Roughly $350 to $380 is where I'd like to see it, mayyyybe $400 at most but I feel like that's being generous. That's my rough "using other products as barometers" referencing. The RTX 3060 Ti is ~10% to 15% less performance and was price cut to $315 so on performance alone (I should also mention that while this price changes it from absolutely unattractive to somewhat decent, Is till feel it's a hair high and it would be very appealing instead at $280 to $300), then the 8 GB version of the RTX 4060 Ti should be no more than ~$350 (but again, 8 GB at $300+ is just... ew in any case). If you don't ignore the fact that a new generation should be quite a large uplift in price/performance instead of keeping the same status quo price/performance (or barely improving it), then even the 16 GB version should be close to the $350 or maybe $380 at most point.

Ideally it would have been a 192-bit/12 GB product in one flavor and just cost around $350 and I'd say it would be decently appealing (this puts it at slightly better performance than the 6700 XT, at around the same price and at the same VRAM, so it lines up, and again that is only expecting it to MATCH old generations on price/performance when it SHOULD be improving it). Instead, it was created as so much of a cut down chip that the fix to one of its issues (limited VRAM) is costly and makes it not worth it.