SSD suggestion for desktop please

[cobra31]

Hi, can anyone suggest a good SSD for my desktop please? Trying to keep price down - 250 or 500GB is fine. Asus PRIME B350M mobo. SATA connection preferred. Thanks.

[Hunter_M♤cer]

Since this thread is about SSDs may I ask a question also

What Ssd should I go for:
Teamgroup T force Vulkan Z 1tb (53 dollars)
Or
Crucial Mx500 1tb (71 dollars)

[Raoul]

Origineel geplaatst door Huntah_M♤cah:

Since this thread is about SSDs may I ask a question also

What Ssd should I go for:
Teamgroup T force Vulkan Z 1tb (53 dollars)
Or
Crucial Mx500 1tb (71 dollars)

Crucial MX500 is tried and true, also better warranty and software.

[Illusion of Progress]

Origineel geplaatst door Huntah_M♤cah:

Since this thread is about SSDs may I ask a question also

What Ssd should I go for:
Teamgroup T force Vulkan Z 1tb (53 dollars)
Or
Crucial Mx500 1tb (71 dollars)

The former is an entry level (low end) SATA SSD, and the latter is a performance (high end) SATA SSD. Whether that's worth the extra ~$20/40% cost is up to you.

I've used an entry level SATA SSD (BX500) for an OS before but it was a lightly used laptop. It's not the end of the world, but if you use your PC a lot, I would avoid entry level SATA for OS drives.

But before you get the MX500, and I say this liking that drive, compare it to prices for some of these others...

Western Digital Blue 3D (or Sandisk Ultra 3D)
Seagate Barracuda 120
Samsung 860/870 Evo (not QVO, it's low end)
SK hynix Gold S31
Kingston KC600
Intel 545s
Lexar NS200 (not NS100, also low end)
PNY CS2311

Everyone just points to Samsung, or something you get a mention of Crucial or Western Digital, but these are all performance SATA drives. If any of them are cheaper, they definitely deserve a look.

[r.linder]

Origineel geplaatst door smallcat:

If you want to keep the price low , why dont you buy M 2 DRAMless ssd it would be faster than a standard SATA ssd?! ( in case of DRAM NVME M 2 , it would be times faster indeed in almost any scenario )
I like this Silicon Power A60 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 - 39 bucks at Amazon

DRAM-less SSDs are slower, not faster, they can be slower than mechanical hard drives in some cases as well. That's why they're also cheaper than drives that have DRAM. There's no point in buying any DRAM-less drive nowadays when the prices of NVMe 2TB drives have plummeted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIXsrLCgdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20PBGHAKjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKszIIXt-6E

[PopinFRESH]

Origineel geplaatst door 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Origineel geplaatst door smallcat:

If you want to keep the price low , why dont you buy M 2 DRAMless ssd it would be faster than a standard SATA ssd?! ( in case of DRAM NVME M 2 , it would be times faster indeed in almost any scenario )
I like this Silicon Power A60 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 - 39 bucks at Amazon

DRAM-less SSDs are slower, not faster, they can be slower than mechanical hard drives in some cases as well. That's why they're also cheaper than drives that have DRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIXsrLCgdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20PBGHAKjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKszIIXt-6E

They were suggesting using a DRAM-less M.2 NVMe SSD which will still be faster than "cheap" SATA SSD, regardless if the SATA SSD has a DRAM cache or not.

[r.linder]

Origineel geplaatst door PopinFRESH:

Origineel geplaatst door 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

DRAM-less SSDs are slower, not faster, they can be slower than mechanical hard drives in some cases as well. That's why they're also cheaper than drives that have DRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIXsrLCgdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20PBGHAKjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKszIIXt-6E

They were suggesting using a DRAM-less M.2 NVMe SSD which will still be faster than "cheap" SATA SSD, regardless if the SATA SSD has a DRAM cache or not.

Even so, with the price differences, really makes no sense. You can get decent NVMe drives for much cheaper now than just a year ago, even 2TB. At low capacities like 250~500GB, the price differences are so minimal that any DRAM-less drive is worthless.

[Introverted Gamer]

Origineel geplaatst door 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Origineel geplaatst door smallcat:

If you want to keep the price low , why dont you buy M 2 DRAMless ssd it would be faster than a standard SATA ssd?! ( in case of DRAM NVME M 2 , it would be times faster indeed in almost any scenario )
I like this Silicon Power A60 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 - 39 bucks at Amazon

DRAM-less SSDs are slower, not faster, they can be slower than mechanical hard drives in some cases as well. That's why they're also cheaper than drives that have DRAM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybIXsrLCgdM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20PBGHAKjs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKszIIXt-6E

A cheap NVME SSD with only HMB and 3.0 x4 not even 4.0 can still can outperform and fly pass the best SATA SSD with DRAM. SATA has already reached it's limit around 550 MB/sec for the typical.

[Illusion of Progress]

DRAM isn't the make or break thing on NVMe drives like it was with SATA. The protocol is better, and many NVMe drives will use system RAM (like with HMB). This is why even mid-range (or even "upper mid-range" if you want to call them that) NVMe drives like the Western Digital Black SN750/770 series don't have DRAM, and Samsung also dropped it on the 980 (though that is a low end NVMe).

For SATA, I'd avoid DRAM-less drives if you were going to use it for an OS drive though (though I've used a BX500 in a lightly used PC and it's still fine).

All drives will eventually drop sustained speeds. As far as I am aware, that's not because of the DRAM but because of the cache. Lower end drives without DRAM are just also more likely to have smaller and slower caches, as well as slower (often QLC) NAND. Once it's writing directly to NAND, it slows down. If you're doing massive sustained writes, and performance is a factor, you'll probably not be looking at these drives anyway? Storage? Games? Won't matter as much there (especially for games drives, you're mostly just reading from them).

[Introverted Gamer]

Origineel geplaatst door Illusion of Progress:

If you're doing massive sustained writes, and performance is a factor, you'll probably not be looking at these drives anyway? Storage? Games? Won't matter as much there (especially for games drives, you're mostly just reading from them).

A hardcore dedicated who wants reliability, speed off read and write, and lowest latency. Should look into Intel Optane which uses a whole different memory protocols.

[Mr White]

I use WD Blue 2TB good SSD never let me down. And Western Digital good brand or Seagate as good brand