Windows 7 support ends?? wtf??

[Dutchgamer1982]

My gaming pc still runs windows 7.. this was a willfull chooise.. as windows 10 does not support many of the games I like to run.

I just read steam will stop supporting windows 7 Big red banner..
what exactly does that mean?

-can I still install/play my games just not recieve any updates??
-can I still reinstal the last working version of steam for windows 7 after this date?
-can I still install/reinstal my games under windows 7 after this date?
-can I still play my library under windows 7 after this date?

**installing every game in my library and play in offline mode only.. is ofcourse possible..
would likely need to buy a much larger m.2 for that though+an external drive for a backup.
-Or does even the offline launcher no longer work after this date?

Is this a FORCED update to windows 10?? rendering twothirds of my games unplayable?
**upgrading to windows 11 is out of the question, hardware not new enough
**installing my entire library will be very costly.

WTF steam WTF..

please give me more info..

-can I somehow like I still use windows 7.. keep using my games on steam under windows 7 after the deadline on this scary red banner hits?

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MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

wrong and as i said, win 7 drivers work fine on win 10 and 11.

wrong again, read what i just wrote above... for the 10th time?

How are you possibly misunderstanding this? I guess I can try one more time: Please stop mentioning Windows 10 or Windows 11 with where you are quoting me. We're not talking about that at all. It's not even in the conversation. That has nothing at all to do with what I was talking about. I don't know why you keep repeating that. I will try one more time very simply: They want to use WINDOWS 7 on NEW HARDWARE. NOT WINDOWS 10. Not windows 11. No one cares if Windows 7 drivers work in Windows 10 or Windows 11. We're not even talking about that at all.

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

but now its just random windows defender and microsoft security essentials that pop up from time to time....

That is gone and ended. Those updates are never issued anymore and will not be issued anymore.

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

i wont bother mentioning the ESU updates from 2020-2023 either, anyone could have gotten those as the bypass has worked all these years, which means win 7 including the ESU makes win 7 patched for at least up to jan 2023.

Yes ESU updates were extended to 2023. However that is now ended. Here is the information for you regarding that: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-7 The Extended Support under the Fixed Lifecycle program for Windows 7 ended on January 10'th, 2023. It's gone now. There will never be any updates for Windows Defender, Microsoft Security Essentials, or any other Windows Update for Windows 7 users ever again.

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

wrong, win 7 is fine going on the internet without third party crappy antiviruses, heck i will go on the internet with any OS i want and not have a single issue virus wise.

Yes you CAN connect to and use the internet with older OS's (Windows XP & Windows Vista). But unless you have 3rd party Anti-Virus it is completely unsafe to do so. No one should ever be doing that for any reason. Currently there is no Anti-Virus suite that will issue updates to Windows XP and Windows Vista users (At least I don't think so. If someone knows if there is some company still updating that then please let me know?).

MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

anywho, no reason to continue repeating the same thing over and over, you been told you were wrong and nothing you say is going to change that.

Actually no. The things I have stated are completely factual in all aspects. It is you who continues to argue for some unknown reason. I think it is because you refuse to accept facts as they are.

This is the only part that matters: Windows 7 currently can remain safe online on the internet, but only if they use Firefox and 3rd party Anti-Virus. Firefox will end support for Windows 7 in September 2024. When that happens then it will no longer be possible to browse the internet in Windows 7 safely.

[MonkehMaster]

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you have no clue what you are talking about

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MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 eredeti hozzászólása:

you have no clue what you are talking about

I know exactly what I'm talking about. I am sharing factual information with others. I think you're just because you don't want to accept the fact that some day in the future you won't be able to use Windows 7 online safely anymore.

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MonkehMaster eredeti hozzászólása:

🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊 eredeti hozzászólása:

you have no clue what you are talking about

Well he said new hardware on Windows 7 and you said drivers on Windows 10/11. Do you know what hardware means? It means physical components of a computer or other electronic system. Such as a hard drive, an Nvidia RTX 4090. This is hardware. Do you know what a driver is? A driver, or device driver, is a set of files that tells a piece of hardware how to function by communicating with a computer's operating system. He's not talking about driver files for devices between 7 and 10/11, he's talking about the actual brand new devices on a PC running Windows 7. That has nothing to do with 7 drivers running on 10/11. JFC.

[AC Dosage]

I think skylake is the cutoff for windows 7 processor chipset combos.

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AC Dosage eredeti hozzászólása:

I think skylake is the cutoff for windows 7 processor chipset combos.

Actually I have full system drivers and everything loaded for my Ryzen 5800X + X570 motherboard + RTX 3070 Ti video card for Windows 7.

That's my secondary OS on a spare SSD though that I occasionally boot to sometimes. My main OS is Windows 10 64-bit that I use 98% of the time on this system.

[AC Dosage]

I think it is the intel 170 chipset family but i have no idea what the equivalent is in amd chipsets.

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AC Dosage eredeti hozzászólása:

I think it is the intel 170 chipset family but i have no idea what the equivalent is in amd chipsets.

I just told you: All of AMD's AM4 systems can use Windows 7 natively, but the drivers are difficult to find and not obvious. Additionally All of Intel's 12'th Generation hardware can also run Windows 7 natively with full driver support.

However those are the last systems that can do it. But those two options do have severe performance penalties in Windows 7 with stuttering and not-smooth gaming performance. Older systems are much better for Windows 7 performance.

The newer systems: All of Intel's 13'th gen parts and AMD's AM5 based systems can not run Windows 7 as there are no drivers for Windows 7 for that hardware.

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[e-mail] eredeti hozzászólása:

Who cares about useless new HW that doesn't work in Win7 (AM5+RDNA3) when I can use AM4+RDNA2 with not so much less performance? After all, such a Ryzen 5800X3D/5950X+RX 6900XT will be enough for games around 2029 (at lower resolutions and details)

I just have a question for you: Have you tried Windows 10 on your system and compared performance? I ask this because on my AM4 system Windows 7 has a severe performance penalty. Windows 7 only uses half of the CPU threads on my 5800X in games which results in stuttering and hitching and non-smooth gaming performance. It's so bad that I can't stomach it and I go re-boot to Windows 10 to have smooth gaming there. It's due to Windows 7's scheduler isn't designed for the multiple-chiplet CPU design in our Ryzen processors.

Also yes: Right now the new AM5 chips from AMD aren't significantly faster than our AM4 systems. Later on with later newer hardware for AM5 though it will be a much bigger difference I expect.

Oh and also: A lot of newer games are being released that run on Unreal Engine 5. UE5 requires DirectX-12 to run. You won't be able to run these newer games in Windows 7.

[Karumati]

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[e-mail] eredeti hozzászólása:

Who cares about useless new HW that doesn't work in Win7 (AM5+RDNA3) when I can use AM4+RDNA2 with not so much less performance? After all, such a Ryzen 5800X3D/5950X+RX 6900XT will be enough for games around 2029 (at lower resolutions and details)

I just have a question for you: Have you tried Windows 10 on your system and compared performance? I ask this because on my AM4 system Windows 7 has a severe performance penalty. Windows 7 only uses half of the CPU threads on my 5800X in games which results in stuttering and hitching and non-smooth gaming performance. It's so bad that I can't stomach it and I go re-boot to Windows 10 to have smooth gaming there. It's due to Windows 7's scheduler isn't designed for the multiple-chiplet CPU design in our Ryzen processors.

Also yes: Right now the new AM5 chips from AMD aren't significantly faster than our AM4 systems. Later on with later newer hardware for AM5 though it will be a much bigger difference I expect.

Oh and also: A lot of newer games are being released that run on Unreal Engine 5. UE5 requires DirectX-12 to run. You won't be able to run these newer games in Windows 7.

Well, nobody is gonna release games for win7 these days, financially speaking it’s not worth it

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Karumati eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, nobody is gonna release games for win7 these days, financially speaking it’s not worth it

I agree with that too. Although I have seen some newer games on steam that only require DirectX 9, which might "in theory" make them compatible with Windows XP. Except we can't run Steam on XP anymore. It's just a random thought I had though.

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[e-mail] eredeti hozzászólása:

All my games run smoothly (I have SMT/HT turned off

Maybe you could try turning on SMT and see what your game performance is like in Windows 7.

Additionally: Why would you turn SMT off? That is artificially handicapping your CPU's performance.

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[e-mail] eredeti hozzászólása:

I have used SMT only with Athlon 200GE (2/4) here even in games was a big performance increase. When I upgraded to Ryzen 7 1700X (8/16), SMT does not increase performance in my games on average - sometimes maybe a little bit, but sometimes it decreases performance substantially even when I "bypass" SMT by assigning cores (1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15). But the biggest reason I have SMT off is that it increases my PC idle power consumption from 55W to 60W. I also have Turbo disabled and underclocked my CPU to 3GHz (Ryzen 7 2700X) = I don't care about performance and factory nonsensical frequency and voltage settings, what matters to me is absolute silence in Prime95 and highest efficiency

That's really sad to hear about someone spending money on a product then intentionally reducing it's performance as much as -50%. :( Using PBO and letting the CPU boost is the best thing about Ryzen processors. My 5800X can run at 5050 Mhz when playing games for example.

[Karumati]

[e-mail] eredeti hozzászólása:

I have used SMT only with Athlon 200GE (2/4) here even in games was a big performance increase. When I upgraded to Ryzen 7 1700X (8/16), SMT does not increase performance in my games on average - sometimes maybe a little bit, but sometimes it decreases performance substantially even when I "bypass" SMT by assigning cores (1,3,5,7,9,11,13,15). But the biggest reason I have SMT off is that it increases my PC idle power consumption from 55W to 60W. I also have Turbo disabled and underclocked my CPU to 3GHz (Ryzen 7 2700X) = I don't care about performance and factory nonsensical frequency and voltage settings, what matters to me is absolute silence in Prime95 and highest efficiency

if you want to save up as much on electricity as possible then just buy laptop and charge it in public places. increase from 55 to 60 is nothing

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Karumati eredeti hozzászólása:

if you want to save up as much on electricity as possible then just buy laptop and charge it in public places. increase from 55 to 60 is nothing

It's certainly not worth the massive performance loss by disabling literally every performance feature that their CPU has and then reducing it's clock speed a lot in the process just for 5 watts of power savings.