Windows 7 support ends?? wtf??

[Dutchgamer1982]

My gaming pc still runs windows 7.. this was a willfull chooise.. as windows 10 does not support many of the games I like to run.

I just read steam will stop supporting windows 7 Big red banner..
what exactly does that mean?

-can I still install/play my games just not recieve any updates??
-can I still reinstal the last working version of steam for windows 7 after this date?
-can I still install/reinstal my games under windows 7 after this date?
-can I still play my library under windows 7 after this date?

**installing every game in my library and play in offline mode only.. is ofcourse possible..
would likely need to buy a much larger m.2 for that though+an external drive for a backup.
-Or does even the offline launcher no longer work after this date?

Is this a FORCED update to windows 10?? rendering twothirds of my games unplayable?
**upgrading to windows 11 is out of the question, hardware not new enough
**installing my entire library will be very costly.

WTF steam WTF..

please give me more info..

-can I somehow like I still use windows 7.. keep using my games on steam under windows 7 after the deadline on this scary red banner hits?

[Crashed]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από fhansson925:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

fact remains...

some games that worked on windows xp, will not work on windows 7
some games that worked on windows 7, will not work on windows 10

if you are not allowed to play the game on the OS it was originally made for, and if steam keeps moving to newer and newer os, than eventually it will move for EVERY game to an os that no longer will run it.

that means every game will eventually be gone forever.

as a person who sees games as art, like books and movies... I see this as wrong.
(but where we can still own and read the original copies of books, despite them now being molested by alterations, same with movies)
and we can also own and watch movies that have only been released on vhs.. or books that were still written by hand on parchment...


but any game that came out since steam drm started been added to fysical copies... basicly has a shelflife, after which it will no longer excist for anybody.

for that reason alone, valve who claims to be "the savior of pc gaming"
(they depict gabe as Jesus Christ himself, in advertisements, distastefull at that is)
->
should do their job in protecting games for future generations.


for now that would mean :
-allow players to keep playing games on the OS they bought them on.
(there are multiple possible ways to update the steam program and still do this)
***
1 don't update chrome on steam
2 remove chrome from steam, let steam use the browser installed on the users own system
3 release a special windows 7&8 steam browser, that will never recieve updates lacks most features (no store, marketplace, profile page, or forums, just your library, to install and play games)
4 make a way for users to download their games on a windows 10 pc, and than play them on a windows 7 or 8 one
5 keep the current steam version running, alongside the future one, just locking windiws 7 and 8 users from any and all future steam updates. (if games allow you to run earlier versions, so can steam)



Long term this would mean :
***make all devs who sell a game through steam sign a contract that forbids them from ever pulling the game from the steam store (in any region they have not set a price, the price will be free)
***make all devs also sign an agreement that after 20 years after it is posted on steam their game becomes freeware, meaning it can be downloaded from steam on the current used OS.
but it will be an .exe that will run on the operation systems the game was made for.

OR alternatively :
***make it possible to download any game you own as an drm free installer, when you owned it for 10 years. (drm free after 10 years)
-> while drm free these copies would still have some watermark ode inside them that should somebody massive share these on p2p websites the steam account that did this could be banned,
***make it possible to 2d hand buy and sell your steam games on the steam market.
(if the developer still sells the game on steam that means they get their 10% cut of that sale, if not well than the option for a 2d hand buy option is all the more important)

It's not only about software as an artform but also about hardware that surrounds it. If I play a game on my Atari or Amiga I prefer to use additional hardware from the same age. Sure you can play old games with emulators but it is more tricky to attach old mouse and joysticks to new computers. Same with DOS, Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows 7. All hardware from the same age is not compatible or supported with new Windows 10/11. Hardware support is even worse for Linux even though I prefer Linux in some cases and have computers with it installed but for gaming it is not the best supported platform.

With that said I think Steam does not have respect for the gamers mind to release a Legacy client that can continue games to work on Windows 7 as there are so many great games for that platform that from next year only can be played with piracy.

That is an extra cost to maintain that they don't see any return in investment for. Especially even when Unity "shovelware" will require Windows 10 if it is using the latest version.

[Einzelherz]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crashed:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Einzelherz:

Valve already told me they don't want my money.

What will you do when you can't even browse the Internet without numerous security errors anymore?

Not something I'm terribly worried about.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crashed:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από fhansson925:

It's not only about software as an artform but also about hardware that surrounds it. If I play a game on my Atari or Amiga I prefer to use additional hardware from the same age. Sure you can play old games with emulators but it is more tricky to attach old mouse and joysticks to new computers. Same with DOS, Windows 98, Windows XP and Windows 7. All hardware from the same age is not compatible or supported with new Windows 10/11. Hardware support is even worse for Linux even though I prefer Linux in some cases and have computers with it installed but for gaming it is not the best supported platform.

With that said I think Steam does not have respect for the gamers mind to release a Legacy client that can continue games to work on Windows 7 as there are so many great games for that platform that from next year only can be played with piracy.

That is an extra cost to maintain that they don't see any return in investment for. Especially even when Unity "shovelware" will require Windows 10 if it is using the latest version.

1 they already earned well over 5000 euro from me.. I gues about 20% of which went to steam.
I dare say thats plenty profit to warrant such a service.. to not loose me and those like me as future customer.
2 they advertise themselves as saviours of the pc gaming market.. they should act like it (an artist has to eat.. but should be willing to have profit + art instead of more profit and no art)
3 they could charge a purchase fee for such a legacy steam edition (while that still would not be nice, after all THEY decide to change their program, not me, it would be understandable given the extra labour crafting such a legacy steam variant would take)

[Crashed]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crashed:

That is an extra cost to maintain that they don't see any return in investment for. Especially even when Unity "shovelware" will require Windows 10 if it is using the latest version.

1 they already earned well over 5000 euro from me.. I gues about 20% of which went to steam.
I dare say thats plenty profit to warrant such a service.. to not loose me and those like me as future customer.
2 they advertise themselves as saviours of the pc gaming market.. they should act like it (an artist has to eat.. but should be willing to have profit + art instead of more profit and no art)
3 they could charge a purchase fee for such a legacy steam edition (while that still would not be nice, after all THEY decide to change their program, not me, it would be understandable given the extra labour crafting such a legacy steam variant would take)

Your hardware is designed for Windows 10; running Windows 7 is holding it back.

[lailaamell]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Crashed:

That is an extra cost to maintain that they don't see any return in investment for. Especially even when Unity "shovelware" will require Windows 10 if it is using the latest version.

1 they already earned well over 5000 euro from me.. I gues about 20% of which went to steam.
I dare say thats plenty profit to warrant such a service.. to not loose me and those like me as future customer.
2 they advertise themselves as saviours of the pc gaming market.. they should act like it (an artist has to eat.. but should be willing to have profit + art instead of more profit and no art)
3 they could charge a purchase fee for such a legacy steam edition (while that still would not be nice, after all THEY decide to change their program, not me, it would be understandable given the extra labour crafting such a legacy steam variant would take)

If they put a fee ppl would riot for that just make steam never change update any part is the solution most win 7 users would prefer

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

I find it funny... Windows 7 support ends... Windows 10 support ends soon after... Windows 11 support will end... Windows 12 will end the same... It is inevitable...

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wynters:

I find it funny... Windows 7 support ends... Windows 10 support ends soon after... Windows 11 support will end... Windows 12 will end the same... It is inevitable...

That's normal. This happens to every operating system.
Taking Ubuntu as an example: Every LTS release (if you don't use an enterprise/pro version) only has 5 years of support. Meaning Ubuntu 18.04 just lost support, 22.10 should also go EOL any time now as it's not an LTS release. They only get 9 months of support. (but do release every 6 months)

[Dutchgamer1982]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Felix:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wynters:

I find it funny... Windows 7 support ends... Windows 10 support ends soon after... Windows 11 support will end... Windows 12 will end the same... It is inevitable...

That's normal. This happens to every operating system.
Taking Ubuntu as an example: Every LTS release (if you don't use an enterprise/pro version) only has 5 years of support. Meaning Ubuntu 18.04 just lost support, 22.10 should also go EOL any time now as it's not an LTS release. They only get 9 months of support. (but do release every 6 months)

having os loose updates fine.
you can still instal and use said os as it was.

having software having minimum os & hardware demands fine.
you can still use all the software released before that date that has lower demands

having the drm on top of software demanding os and hardware independant of the software itself totally unacceptable!

this is NOT normal.

an old cdrom copy of a game wont run on windows 10, thats fine I can still install and play it on win 7 or xp.

that same game bought trough steam will force you to use windows 10 to play it but it wont launch on 10.

[PopinFRESH]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

...an old cdrom copy of a game wont run on windows 10, thats fine I can still install and play it on win 7 or xp.

that same game bought trough steam will force you to use windows 10 to play it but it wont launch on 10.

Which game? you guys keep saying this but never provide an example of a game that will not play on Windows 10.

[Dutchgamer1982]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από PopinFRESH:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

...an old cdrom copy of a game wont run on windows 10, thats fine I can still install and play it on win 7 or xp.

that same game bought trough steam will force you to use windows 10 to play it but it wont launch on 10.

Which game? you guys keep saying this but never provide an example of a game that will not play on Windows 10.

I have yet to obtain windows 10 to give you that exact data for my entire librairy.
and I keep pointing out that its irrelevant.

*we can realisticly expect if steam pulls os support now they will do this in the future for each and every other os.
**we can expect all games on steam wil be pulled from the store and ceased being updated eventually.
*thus this policy of steam will brick each and every game everybody owns.

[Komarimaru]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από PopinFRESH:

Which game? you guys keep saying this but never provide an example of a game that will not play on Windows 10.

I have yet to obtain windows 10 to give you that exact data for my entire librairy.
and I keep pointing out that its irrelevant.

*we can realisticly expect if steam pulls os support now they will do this in the future for each and every other os.
**we can expect all games on steam wil be pulled from the store and ceased being updated eventually.
*thus this policy of steam will brick each and every game everybody owns.

Yet it's never bricked any games. Why people ask for what games supposedly quit working.

Everytime someone has listed a game, it worked just fine right out of the box. And the games that didn't work? They didn't natively work on 7 either, or it was due to modern hardware causing issues, not the operating system.

For example, Witcher 2, Wolfenstien 2009 version. Everyone was saying these games don't run on Windows 10 and 11, which was false, they ran perfectly fine. The issue was the games didn't like high core count CPU's, so had to limit affinity for the games to launch.

[PopinFRESH]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

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*we can realisticly expect if steam pulls os support now they will do this in the future for each and every other os.

Windows 98 support
Windows Me support
Windows 2000 support
Windows Xp support
Windows Vista support

....

You mean like all of those?

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SSA Section 2A:

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

You mean like this section you've agreed to in the Steam Subscriber Agreement that specifically spells this out?

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

...I have yet to obtain windows 10 to give you that exact data for my entire librairy....

... So what you're saying is...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

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an old cdrom copy of a game wont run on windows 10, thats fine I can still install and play it on win 7 or xp.

that same game bought trough steam will force you to use windows 10 to play it but it wont launch on 10.

^ "I have no idea what I'm talking about and am making up this problem without anything remotely close to being a reasoned argument".

Cool story.

[Dr.Shadowds 🐉]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από [e-mail]:

It really sucks that i won't be able to download a single game from my account (3K+ games). Apparently it's time to the end of buying games. I'm not going to upgrade in the next couple of years. I could have a dualboot system (Win11 for downloading games overnight and Win7 for playing them), but that seems like a pretty annoying and expensive solution (I'm probably going completely to warez - it doesn't make any nonsence requirements). The strange thing is that online banking works on Win7 without any problem, but using Steam client would be too dangerous - i understand the decision (stop wasting your time in old games and buy new ones) but who cares...

How would dual boot be expensive? Do you not have a windows 7 key? If you do upgrade to Windows 10, this gives your key path to upgrade to Windows 11 and this is free btw.

Steam manage their own application, they don't manage whatever web browser that you use to connect to your bank, and overtime banks may update their backend to blocking things in the future such as old browsers, or lack of protocol support for security connections. Go check if your bank support internet explorer 11, if you get error, or such you already know why it's a problem, and chromium, Firefox, and etc already had plans to drop windows 7, so in due time your old browser, or alternative browsers may end up just like windows explorer 11 in due time.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Wynters:

I find it funny... Windows 7 support ends... Windows 10 support ends soon after... Windows 11 support will end... Windows 12 will end the same... It is inevitable...

Welcome to circle of life.

OS release > close to the time support ends > people get mad > rinse & repeat. This done for windows, Linux, and mac, nothing has changed since dawn of time.

The best things people can do is figure out how to move hardware, and software forward, instead of getting trapped to the past, lost, and forgotten forever, if can't make it stay relevant, people will move on that how it works sadly.

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από PopinFRESH:

Which game? you guys keep saying this but never provide an example of a game that will not play on Windows 10.

I have yet to obtain windows 10 to give you that exact data for my entire librairy.
and I keep pointing out that its irrelevant.

*we can realisticly expect if steam pulls os support now they will do this in the future for each and every other os.
**we can expect all games on steam wil be pulled from the store and ceased being updated eventually.
*thus this policy of steam will brick each and every game everybody owns.

It is relevant, because keep talking about can't run said games...

I can't run this game! > What game? > That's irrelevant > rinse & repeat. That doesn't seem helpful, nor make it logical when keep repeating like that.

I don't see the point needing pull any game, and just because it label something, doesn't mean there rules, or laws you're not allowed to go outside those specifications that listed, just means that what they tested on, or were made on using that it, this isn't console, this is PC. Yeah sure you can't slap a Nintendo gameboy into Nintendo switch and run it, that because it closed source systems, and don't have a way to really connect the game to it either. Now could jailbreak the switch, make an adapter to slot into gameslot, and figure out how read the game from that adapter, use emulation, then yeah maybe got it going. PC you just figure out software translation layer issues that mostly what need to figure out... Like we're able to run windows 16 bit games via windows 10 natively with just soft patch... Figure that out.

[r.linder]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από PopinFRESH:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

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*we can realisticly expect if steam pulls os support now they will do this in the future for each and every other os.

Windows 98 support
Windows Me support
Windows 2000 support
Windows Xp support
Windows Vista support

....

You mean like all of those?

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από SSA Section 2A:

For reasons that include, without limitation, system security, stability, and multiplayer interoperability, Valve may need to automatically update, pre-load, create new versions of or otherwise enhance the Content and Services and accordingly, the system requirements to use the Content and Services may change over time.

You mean like this section you've agreed to in the Steam Subscriber Agreement that specifically spells this out?

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

...I have yet to obtain windows 10 to give you that exact data for my entire librairy....

... So what you're saying is...

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Dutchgamer1982:

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an old cdrom copy of a game wont run on windows 10, thats fine I can still install and play it on win 7 or xp.

that same game bought trough steam will force you to use windows 10 to play it but it wont launch on 10.

^ "I have no idea what I'm talking about and am making up this problem without anything remotely close to being a reasoned argument".

Cool story.

Yeah that’s pretty hilarious. They can’t tell you what games won’t run on 10 yet they don’t even use 10 so they wouldn’t know.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Yeah that’s pretty hilarious. They can’t tell you what games won’t run on 10 yet they don’t even use 10 so they wouldn’t know.

I bet every game will run just fine on Windows 10 and 11.