Windows 7 support ends?? wtf??

[Dutchgamer1982]

My gaming pc still runs windows 7.. this was a willfull chooise.. as windows 10 does not support many of the games I like to run.

I just read steam will stop supporting windows 7 Big red banner..
what exactly does that mean?

-can I still install/play my games just not recieve any updates??
-can I still reinstal the last working version of steam for windows 7 after this date?
-can I still install/reinstal my games under windows 7 after this date?
-can I still play my library under windows 7 after this date?

**installing every game in my library and play in offline mode only.. is ofcourse possible..
would likely need to buy a much larger m.2 for that though+an external drive for a backup.
-Or does even the offline launcher no longer work after this date?

Is this a FORCED update to windows 10?? rendering twothirds of my games unplayable?
**upgrading to windows 11 is out of the question, hardware not new enough
**installing my entire library will be very costly.

WTF steam WTF..

please give me more info..

-can I somehow like I still use windows 7.. keep using my games on steam under windows 7 after the deadline on this scary red banner hits?

[AyaSensei067]

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bidulless původně napsal:

hello
Not really why would you think it can bother me ? i can make it hidden if i launch the client with -pretendeol-w10 command line parameters and there is nothing under the banner ...

Just wondering. It would bother me personally.

The red warning banner doesn't really bother me either.

[Crashed]

AyaSensei067 původně napsal:

For anyone wondering, my friend uses Windows 7 Enterprise, has an i5-10600KF processor, 32 GB of RAM and a GTX 1660 Super.

"Fell off a truck" license key? Those specs are intended for Windows 10 minimum, Windows 11 ready.

[AyaSensei067]

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AyaSensei067 původně napsal:

For anyone wondering, my friend uses Windows 7 Enterprise, has an i5-10600KF processor, 32 GB of RAM and a GTX 1660 Super.

"Fell off a truck" license key? Those specs are intended for Windows 10 minimum, Windows 11 ready.

My guy, my friend refuses to upgrade to Windows 10 or 11 for obvious reasons.

[bidulless]

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bidulless původně napsal:

hello

Not really agree on all your points but sur agree about hardware.But for old comp that you do not need to upgrade it's perfectly viable and stable when by opposite , for the newer windows each update is like a "roulette russe" nowadays more or less.
And for the rest, end of support does not means end of working

When it comes to Windows versions. I usually use the last version that the machine can handle unless it has a specific purpose or I'm just curious to test something out as simply put. I don't see much of a performance difference between Windows versions

an old laptop I had lying around with Intel Pentium Dual Core T2330, 4GB RAM and Intel GMA X3100 with an SSD had both Win10 21H2 and Win7 SP1.
Unsurprisingly, the machine sucked under both OSes when it comes to performance and stability was the same despite the laptop coming from 2007 and having no Windows 7 or 10 drivers at all.

Privacy? if you use a smartphone and own a credit card. chances are you did give up on major parts of your privacy anyway
Not to mention that the security patches for Windows 7 since mid 2016 do include telemetry as well. Of course you can disable it manually but the same can be said for 10, 11 as well

So I'm looking at this as "Why even bother if its the same crap all over again?" especially if I have to use alternative web browsers or stuff like VxKex for newer programs

Hello
About privacy, it's something that really bother me on new windows and fyi i do not have a smartphone just a simple mobile.
When most , let's call them for being polite , telemetry stuff , were added into w7 by microsoft update during it support stage, 100% are allready part of the windows w10+ you are setting up and more have to come ....

And vxkex is really limited , just check it source code and you will learn more about it capability:
it's mostly usefull for program using the stupid w10 check and really poor support for other.
And about browser, ff still support w7 like many other and when support will end, all theses browser will continue to work for years

about the stupid function check
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/4349988612573450321/?ctp=13#c4362376335339694746
And the same function does not even exist for the last crapy w11 , microsoft did not bother themselves to rewrite it for w11 as it's the same os with mostly a different ui
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

[Zeikar]

If I were Steam I'd make that red banner full screen. But I'm not Steam.

[Zeikar]

AyaSensei067 původně napsal:

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"Fell off a truck" license key? Those specs are intended for Windows 10 minimum, Windows 11 ready.

My guy, my friend refuses to upgrade to Windows 10 or 11 for obvious reasons.

Delusional reasons I'm sure.
OR
Probably something that can be adjusted or outright blocked. But that's probably beyond your friend's technical know-how or he would've figured it by now.

[MonkehMaster]

Zeikar původně napsal:

If I were Steam I'd make that red banner full screen. But I'm not Steam.

good thing that banner can be removed.

Zeikar původně napsal:

AyaSensei067 původně napsal:

My guy, my friend refuses to upgrade to Windows 10 or 11 for obvious reasons.

Delusional reasons I'm sure.
OR
Probably something that can be adjusted or outright blocked. But that's probably beyond your friend's technical know-how or he would've figured it by now.

wrong, they are legit reasons, the only delusion is your own.

[Dutchgamer1982]

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Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

while yes.. it in itself is not enough.

first let me refrase : drop the drm on games not working on the current minimal os steam needs to run
(for now thats win 10, but win 10 support will be dropped too one day.

but while a good step.. it goes not far enough.

if you bought a game on cdrom in the old days for win xp before steam.. you could forever instal and play in on xp.

you should have a similair right to keep installing and playing what you already own on the os you bought it for. EVEN if it also works on newer os.
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it is wrong that the drm (steam) has a minimum os requirement independant of the software.

thus if the drm (steam) moves to a newer os.. than they should give you drm free install files for the os they now abadoned.
(should matter little for piracy..
first each download can have an id code build in.. thus if I share my file on a p2p server.. it can be traced back to me. (similair to how you can see what camera or printer made the picture..)
+ you could make those installrers so they only work on one os.
-so win 7 installers would not run if your system runs any other os.
*it would be fine of eventually you need another system with the newer os to download said installers to than copy them.to your win7 system at home.

gog.com

got be a luddite if you like

as I refuse to spend anything anymore until steam offers a better solution to guarantee all games remain available for retrogaming.. and no planned obselencance.. which this move to newer os of the drm that is steam entails.. yes much of the money I had been spending on steam now goes to gog.

lets hope many more do.. so steam either go bust or is forced to change it's policies

also... what we should need by law is a split between stores and games.
when I bought a old boxed version of a game back in the day.. it did not matter if I bought it at mediamarkt, free record shop, bartsmit, gamemania, online, or a gazillion other shops.
once bought my dealings with them where over. (sure I had a 30 day full refund right.. tied to where I bought it but after that it truelly be over)

that shop had no dealings in what I did with my game after that point... I was free to install it and play it.. I could secondhand sell it.. or lend it out to somebody else.
the licence namely was tied to the fysical item (not the disk you were legally allowed to make a copy of that.. but a oem booklet inserted inside the jewelcase or box usually on the backside of a manual with the installation code.


that right to secondhand sell, and buy old copies of discontinued games.. as well as the right to make a homecopy.. or download one legally.. installing it using YOUR code..
plus the ability to install your games independant of any store..

thats a right we need back.

I not care that there are now a couple different distributors of software.. what is an issue.. is that you also store your library with them... instead after purchase your dealings with them, should be over.. you get an .,exe and a code.. and if you loose it.. well thats your loss


*** the very minimum steam could do to that end in indeed removing their service from games not supporting the latest os.

-when you say but they not OWN those games.. nope they don't.
**but they CAN add conditions to the devs to their drm service to them which gives us users better rights.
***
they can easely add a way to download .exe files of games that you can bind to your steam account later instead of directly downloading and installing.
(that would not inflict with the current way of doing things just offer an alternative download solution in case connection where you game aint great..)
***
than expanding on that.. they can make .exe installed on no longer supported os.. no longer need steam to be installed.
***
they can still add a personal ID code imbedded to those .exe.. so that users who abuse this.. can still be traced and sued.

on top of that they could also allow us users to unbind games from our accounts
-for games bought externally that would mean we can apply the instal code to another account again.
-for games bought on steam.. we would need to allow selling of games trought the steam maket.
-yes that would end regional pricing.. but as that sucks anyway.. that SHOULD be killed.

[Thermal Lance]

Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

Dzaka původně napsal:

gog.com

got be a luddite if you like

as I refuse to spend anything anymore until steam offers a better solution to guarantee all games remain available for retrogaming.. and no planned obselencance.. which this move to newer os of the drm that is steam entails.. yes much of the money I had been spending on steam now goes to gog.

I hope you like GOG then.

I can hardly see Valve doing a 180 on this. This is how they always operated. It's just that some people are just NOW noticing it for some reasons.

[Dutchgamer1982]

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Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

as I refuse to spend anything anymore until steam offers a better solution to guarantee all games remain available for retrogaming.. and no planned obselencance.. which this move to newer os of the drm that is steam entails.. yes much of the money I had been spending on steam now goes to gog.

I hope you like GOG then.

I can hardly see Valve doing a 180 on this. This is how they always operated. It's just that some people are just NOW noticing it for some reasons.

well turning full retail licences into oem without price reduction
-having games during sale being 15% more expensive than non sale retail copies of pc games (and OUTRAGIOUSLY more expensive outside off)

is why I kept buying retail versions without steam drm on them for as long as possible.. hence why my steam account is only as old as when that option finally died out.

****killing off 2d hand trade.. was bad.. but if at least all games would FOREVER kept for sale.. unlike retail where games usually stopped being sold in store after 2 years so 2d hand market was your only bet for older titles.
****but than games started being pulled from the steam store.. meaning many titles can never be obtained anymore.. ALARMING.. but at that point not yet affecting those who already have them..
-> so basicly a pressure tool to buy things at full price cause if you wait for a sale.. they might get pulled and you loose out on playing them forever...


all evil... and why I hated steam from day 1....


but this move to drop OS support independent of games.. is one move I did NOT expect.
as steam always said if they dropped their service they would release .exe without their drm.
they did not honour this.. not even for the old cd versions that you needed to register at steam.. and that you now certainly cannot run on win 10.


the difference is.. all the before moves were just "to get more money"
this move.. actually shows they don't care for preservation of games for posterity.. at all..
one can push for higher profits without adding to games becoming forever unplayable...
they could have added a paid service or something...

games are like the books and movies of earlier generations... and steam as the mayor platform has a duty to prevent any of it becoming lost.

[Zeikar]

I'd like to see you delete your Steam account and move to GOG, certainly not GOG Galaxy....

[Dutchgamer1982]

Zeikar původně napsal:

I'd like to see you delete your account

no need to delite.. what would that serve?
but I won't spend another cent on steam.

so yes from now on I only cost them money as they won't earn anything on top of the 4500 euro I already spend on steam... of which steam likely took their 30% cut. if not more..

they want me back one of the bigger spenders on steam.. with 400-600 years minimum every year before this decision to drop win 7.. they better adress this issue..

it's one thing to overcharge me for games
it's one thing to kill quality controil
it's one thing to steal my rights of 30 days no limits on gameplay returns
it's one thing to kill the 2d hand market
**but at the very least steam has the obligation to keep us able to instal and run every game we bought running on the os we bought it on forever.
without any rights on future ability to purchase games on that old os.. or updates for those games past that point obiously

without that.. all games on steam now.. all games that ever will come.. will not just be rendered forever unobtainable (due being pulled from the store).. but even be renderd forever unplayable even if you own them..
that is in effect the same as pulling games from your account.

or walking in your house and breaking all the cdroms you paid for..

it is so blatantly lacking of respect... nobody should spend anything on steam forever.. it's not just the win 7 users that this entails.. it's all of us..
all games every user on steam now own.. will at a point be delited and never be playable ever again by them or anybody else forever.
thats what this does.

and thats why it is so much worse than all the other crap steam pulled before.

[Zeikar]

Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

Zeikar původně napsal:

I'd like to see you delete your account

no need to delite.. but I won't spend another cent on steam.
so yes from now on I only cost them money as they won't earn anything on top of the 4500 euro I already spend on steam... of which steam likely took their 30% cut. if not more..

Would you use GOG Galaxy?

[Thermal Lance]

Dutchgamer1982 původně napsal:

Thermal Lance původně napsal:

I hope you like GOG then.

I can hardly see Valve doing a 180 on this. This is how they always operated. It's just that some people are just NOW noticing it for some reasons.

well turning full retail licences into oem without price reduction
-having games during sale being 15% more expensive than non sale retail copies of pc games (and OUTRAGIOUSLY more expensive outside off)

is why I kept buying retail versions without steam drm on them for as long as possible.. hence why my steam account is only as old as when that option finally died out.

****killing off 2d hand trade.. was bad.. but if at least all games would FOREVER kept for sale.. unlike retail where games usually stopped being sold in store after 2 years so 2d hand market was your only bet for older titles.
****but than games started being pulled from the steam store.. meaning many titles can never be obtained anymore.. ALARMING.. but at that point not yet affecting those who already have them..
-> so basicly a pressure tool to buy things at full price cause if you wait for a sale.. they might get pulled and you loose out on playing them forever...


all evil... and why I hated steam from day 1....


but this move to drop OS support independent of games.. is one move I did NOT expect.
as steam always said if they dropped their service they would release .exe without their drm.
they did not honour this.. not even for the old cd versions that you needed to register at steam.. and that you now certainly cannot run on win 10.


the difference is.. all the before moves were just "to get more money"
this move.. actually shows they don't care for preservation of games for posterity.. at all..

Why should they care about preservation? It's literally not their business. That responsability lays with the IP holder. Steam is just a storefront.

Steam won't start forcing that on publishers. That would just be insane.

[andreasaspenberg575]

what valve should do is to pay all publishers to get their games updated, so that they works in windows 10.