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Dutchgamer1982 (已封鎖) 2023 年 3 月 28 日 上午 8:11
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Windows 7 support ends?? wtf??
My gaming pc still runs windows 7.. this was a willfull chooise.. as windows 10 does not support many of the games I like to run.

I just read steam will stop supporting windows 7 Big red banner..
what exactly does that mean?

-can I still install/play my games just not recieve any updates??
-can I still reinstal the last working version of steam for windows 7 after this date?
-can I still install/reinstal my games under windows 7 after this date?
-can I still play my library under windows 7 after this date?

**installing every game in my library and play in offline mode only.. is ofcourse possible..
would likely need to buy a much larger m.2 for that though+an external drive for a backup.
-Or does even the offline launcher no longer work after this date?

Is this a FORCED update to windows 10?? rendering twothirds of my games unplayable?
**upgrading to windows 11 is out of the question, hardware not new enough
**installing my entire library will be very costly.

WTF steam WTF..

please give me more info..

-can I somehow like I still use windows 7.. keep using my games on steam under windows 7 after the deadline on this scary red banner hits?
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MonkehMaster 2024 年 3 月 17 日 上午 9:34 
third party antivirus? who needs em, i ran and still run... my last win 7 install without one (for 7-8 years and counting) and im running win 11 without one now as well.

:cqlol:
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 3 月 17 日 上午 9:38
Zefar 2024 年 3 月 17 日 上午 11:28 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Bloat as in = BS that is forces to run in the background for no reason or benfits to me.
I can have 5000 Steam games installed, that's not bloatware since none of that is using my system resources or RAM when not running.

Like OMG where do you people come from.

Bloat back in the day was when you kept installing stuff and made the OS slower. Due it having to load all of the registry for it and other stuff.

When my CPU usage is at 0% to 1% on doing nothing in Windows 11, it isn't much bloat. Steam uses 0.1% of the CPU though.

My internet browser uses far more than any other background process is using right now. I haven't even uninstalled the programs that people hate.

Edge doesn't run in the background when it isn't used.

You will not notice a difference between a "bloat free" and normal windows install in terms of performance. It'll be a placebo pill effect.
_I_ 2024 年 3 月 17 日 下午 1:32 
引用自 Zefar
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Bloat as in = BS that is forces to run in the background for no reason or benfits to me.
I can have 5000 Steam games installed, that's not bloatware since none of that is using my system resources or RAM when not running.

Like OMG where do you people come from.

Bloat back in the day was when you kept installing stuff and made the OS slower. Due it having to load all of the registry for it and other stuff.

When my CPU usage is at 0% to 1% on doing nothing in Windows 11, it isn't much bloat. Steam uses 0.1% of the CPU though.

My internet browser uses far more than any other background process is using right now. I haven't even uninstalled the programs that people hate.

Edge doesn't run in the background when it isn't used.

You will not notice a difference between a "bloat free" and normal windows install in terms of performance. It'll be a placebo pill effect.
windows by default installs alot of bloat
and oem mfgs add on their own bloat

bloat is not what users install
Crashed 2024 年 3 月 17 日 下午 2:54 
引用自 Zefar
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Bloat as in = BS that is forces to run in the background for no reason or benfits to me.
I can have 5000 Steam games installed, that's not bloatware since none of that is using my system resources or RAM when not running.

Like OMG where do you people come from.

Bloat back in the day was when you kept installing stuff and made the OS slower. Due it having to load all of the registry for it and other stuff.

When my CPU usage is at 0% to 1% on doing nothing in Windows 11, it isn't much bloat. Steam uses 0.1% of the CPU though.

My internet browser uses far more than any other background process is using right now. I haven't even uninstalled the programs that people hate.

Edge doesn't run in the background when it isn't used.

You will not notice a difference between a "bloat free" and normal windows install in terms of performance. It'll be a placebo pill effect.
And ironically OP's computer would probably run faster on Windows 10, or even 11 with a bypass, than the older Windows 7 that was designed before PCs with 128GB of RAM became common.
Zefar 2024 年 3 月 17 日 下午 3:18 
引用自 _I_
windows by default installs alot of bloat
and oem mfgs add on their own bloat

bloat is not what users install

Anything the user install is "bloat".

The stuff Windows has installed by default will barely affect the system. You might notice FPS differences when it reaches 500+ values in games.
tyl0413 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 5:51 
引用自 Zefar
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Bloat as in = BS that is forces to run in the background for no reason or benfits to me.
I can have 5000 Steam games installed, that's not bloatware since none of that is using my system resources or RAM when not running.

Like OMG where do you people come from.

Bloat back in the day was when you kept installing stuff and made the OS slower. Due it having to load all of the registry for it and other stuff.

When my CPU usage is at 0% to 1% on doing nothing in Windows 11, it isn't much bloat. Steam uses 0.1% of the CPU though.

My internet browser uses far more than any other background process is using right now. I haven't even uninstalled the programs that people hate.

Edge doesn't run in the background when it isn't used.

You will not notice a difference between a "bloat free" and normal windows install in terms of performance. It'll be a placebo pill effect.
Bloat is forced always on Defender, bloat is Cortana, bloat is Microsoft Copilot, bloat is Teams on taskbar integration, bloat is Edge all over the place, bloat is constant advertisements/"recommendations" and other such garbage bloat is tiktok/facebook/candycrush/hp smart reinstalling themselves all the time, bloat is ads on the lock screen and so on..
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 10:13 
Cortana doesn't even exist in Win10/11 anymore.

But yes I agree. All of those and even more, should be optional as a WinOS user.
Just like how Windows PRO should really be what ALL USERS should get as the minimum basics. Home Edition shouldn't exist.
MonkehMaster 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 11:48 
引用自 tyl0413
引用自 Zefar

Bloat back in the day was when you kept installing stuff and made the OS slower. Due it having to load all of the registry for it and other stuff.

When my CPU usage is at 0% to 1% on doing nothing in Windows 11, it isn't much bloat. Steam uses 0.1% of the CPU though.

My internet browser uses far more than any other background process is using right now. I haven't even uninstalled the programs that people hate.

Edge doesn't run in the background when it isn't used.

You will not notice a difference between a "bloat free" and normal windows install in terms of performance. It'll be a placebo pill effect.
Bloat is forced always on Defender, bloat is Cortana, bloat is Microsoft Copilot, bloat is Teams on taskbar integration, bloat is Edge all over the place, bloat is constant advertisements/"recommendations" and other such garbage bloat is tiktok/facebook/candycrush/hp smart reinstalling themselves all the time, bloat is ads on the lock screen and so on..

yep, software bloat forced on people is horrible, not to mention other programs which beg you to install other programs, or back in the days when said stuff was force installed along with w/e program you downloaded, or where they setup the installer in a way you didnt know something else was being installed.

that is what people mean when they talk about bloat.

there is also other forms of bloat as well tbf, as mentioned... some people install all kinds of crap, stop using said crap and leave it installed, clogging their drives and slowing them down.

essentially any software bloat can cause performance issues be it on the cpu or the drives and w/e else if affects.

also to mention, bloat in the form of random folder/files left over from uninstalls, or temp files, ect... can cause bloat on your OS drive, ect..

and also fair to mention, is feature creep, for example microsoft pumping in more bloat with each update, adding nonsense no one asked for and try to make much of it baked in and/or not removable... i mean i play games, i dont need ai, i dont need edge as i use firefox, i dont need xbox bs as i dont play xbox or xbox/microsoft games (unless its on steam and doesnt require an account), among many other things.

i wont even bother talking about the ad/news bloat, some people seem to think they never existed after they happened to have disabled them with third party nonsense that we should have a need for.

anywho, all the bloat in general, is a huge issue, mostly the stuff being forced on us, the rest is a user issue (pc maintenance).
MonkehMaster 2024 年 3 月 18 日 下午 11:49 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Cortana doesn't even exist in Win10/11 anymore.

But yes I agree. All of those and even more, should be optional as a WinOS user.
Just like how Windows PRO should really be what ALL USERS should get as the minimum basics. Home Edition shouldn't exist.

correct, it was replaced or changed (dont know which) into that copilot bs...
ChuckBerg 2024 年 4 月 12 日 下午 9:00 
having a hard time porting my oldeis library to win10, actually having problems with avi cut scenes that play nice on win7 and not on win10, tried converting some videos that worked for some titles, but there are games that use resource packs and its hard to reach those files. So the one the is giving me a head ache is gorasul: legacy of the dragon (i know its not a great game) but it makes part of the library and i would not like to lose it. So if someone figured out how to deal with those avi problems please lend a hand.
bidulless 2024 年 4 月 12 日 下午 9:08 
引用自 ChuckBerg
having a hard time porting my oldeis library to win10, actually having problems with avi cut scenes that play nice on win7 and not on win10, tried converting some videos that worked for some titles, but there are games that use resource packs and its hard to reach those files. So the one the is giving me a head ache is gorasul: legacy of the dragon (i know its not a great game) but it makes part of the library and i would not like to lose it. So if someone figured out how to deal with those avi problems please lend a hand.
hello

https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Gorasul:_The_Legacy_of_the_Dragon
Does not seems to have an issue running under w10, at least nothing about that here. May be securom could be if you are using a retail version.
Are you sur it's really avi ? Most of the time avi wasn't used for game ,blink video was.

No clue if windows 10 can natively play avi video format, it the answer is no and if it does not work under gorasu then you may be need a codec for that ( avi )
If it's blink video, i do not think you need one unless you want to see the cutscene outside the game , but you can use https://github.com/clsid2/mpc-hc/releases to play them if i remember well ( great video/music/stream watching little tool )

最後修改者:bidulless; 2024 年 4 月 12 日 下午 9:27
Callahan420 2024 年 4 月 13 日 上午 1:06 
Still going strong Win7 of course/
Iron Knights 2024 年 4 月 13 日 上午 1:17 
One thing I noticed games have a problem with in Win 10 is if Virtual Memory is turned off. Some older games will just crash and refuse to run, but work well if it is on. Warning, if you do utilize the memory leak in Win 10, you MUST put it on manual not automatic and limit its size. Otherwise, it will cache 100%+ of your DDR RAM, which is much faster than disk no matter what.
If you're going to go and manually convert videos... Are you sure you tried all ways to make them compatible with Windblows 10 ? You do know that video drivers or at least Game Profile Settings, must have OpenGL/Triple Buffering on for games utilizing DX-9 and prior ?
MonkehMaster 2024 年 4 月 13 日 上午 1:25 
i run my paging file on its own drive and have it set to use the "whole drive" (250GB msata ssd in a 2.5in msats to sata internal enclosure), not to mention i have 64GB of ram.

win 10 and 11 are functionally the same, but not only have i used and tested win 10, but now currently using win 11, i havent noticed those issues.

all the games i have on my pc (steam or outside of steam), seem to work fine, no matter the direct x, runtime needed, etc..

but i have seen mention of errors that mention "out of memory", though from what i read, its seemed to be more of a vram issue, but i guess it could be a mixture of vram, lower amounts of ram and no or set too small paging file, in those cases.

also to note, people should have most if not all direct x's installed, all 22 ms runtimes installed, desktop runtime 5 and 6 (newer dotnet frameworks) and the old dotnet framework 4.8.1 installed, and for some games xna framework installed, etc..
最後修改者:MonkehMaster; 2024 年 4 月 13 日 上午 7:39
Bad 💀 Motha 2024 年 4 月 13 日 上午 1:26 
Install the various free video decoder extensions via Microsoft Store App and ensure all of those in Library for that app are up to date.

Install VLC Media Player (desktop app) from their official website (not via Microsoft Store app)

Go into Classic Control Panel and enable extra Windows Features such as Legacy > DirectPlay and also NET/ASP Frameworks

Launch Steam via Run As Admin and not via OS Startup. Otherwise Games that have various extra Redistributables can't Install them.

If game has an issue, first disable Game Mode in WinOS Settings. Then set game EXE files so the option for "disable full screen optimization" is enabled in file properties.

Set PageFile manually to C Drive and set to 8192 MIN. Set the MAX to 1.5X installed RAM. Once you click SET to lock that in, click OK out of those windows and restart Windows. It would also help to disable Fast Startup and Hibernation via CMD to gain back the disk space used by the temp hibersys file as well as get your Win10/11 Restart/Shutdown back to how it should be, a clean boot every time instead of using RAM Cache.
最後修改者:Bad 💀 Motha; 2024 年 4 月 13 日 上午 1:30
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