Windows 7 support ends?? wtf??

[Dutchgamer1982]

My gaming pc still runs windows 7.. this was a willfull chooise.. as windows 10 does not support many of the games I like to run.

I just read steam will stop supporting windows 7 Big red banner..
what exactly does that mean?

-can I still install/play my games just not recieve any updates??
-can I still reinstal the last working version of steam for windows 7 after this date?
-can I still install/reinstal my games under windows 7 after this date?
-can I still play my library under windows 7 after this date?

**installing every game in my library and play in offline mode only.. is ofcourse possible..
would likely need to buy a much larger m.2 for that though+an external drive for a backup.
-Or does even the offline launcher no longer work after this date?

Is this a FORCED update to windows 10?? rendering twothirds of my games unplayable?
**upgrading to windows 11 is out of the question, hardware not new enough
**installing my entire library will be very costly.

WTF steam WTF..

please give me more info..

-can I somehow like I still use windows 7.. keep using my games on steam under windows 7 after the deadline on this scary red banner hits?

[lsdninja]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kitty:

You seem to be confused. I have no idea what you think you downloaded or installed but it wasn't windows updates. As I tried to tell you: Microsoft ended ALL UPDATES for ALL VERSIONS of Windows 7 in Jan 2023. No more updates for ANY VERSION of windows 7. Completely gone. There's nothing to download or install because it doesn't exist. It will never exist. It's gone forever.

Windows 7 Embedded POSReady is still getting updates and will continue to do so until 8 October this year:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-US/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lsdninja:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kitty:

You seem to be confused. I have no idea what you think you downloaded or installed but it wasn't windows updates. As I tried to tell you: Microsoft ended ALL UPDATES for ALL VERSIONS of Windows 7 in Jan 2023. No more updates for ANY VERSION of windows 7. Completely gone. There's nothing to download or install because it doesn't exist. It will never exist. It's gone forever.

Windows 7 Embedded POSReady is still getting updates and will continue to do so until 8 October this year:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-US/lifecycle/faq/extended-security-updates

I doubt anyone is running a Windows version made for what seem to be embedded devices on their actual, daily "production" main machine.

[lsdninja]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Felix:

I doubt anyone is running a Windows version made for what seem to be embedded devices on their actual, daily "production" main machine.

Likely not, but it's still receiving updates and people are using those updates to keep their decrepit rigs running instead of, you know, updating to a properly supported OS.

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von lsdninja:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Felix:

I doubt anyone is running a Windows version made for what seem to be embedded devices on their actual, daily "production" main machine.

Likely not, but it's still receiving updates and people are using those updates to keep their decrepit rigs running instead of, you know, updating to a properly supported OS.

hello

Stop me if i am wrong but i think there is few people doing that , and it need third party software .. and some trick in order to push your current system to be recognize as a posready embedded... So imo, if it's the case, it can be worst than do not applying esu...
it remind me people who recommand some fancy w10/w11 release not comming from ms but third party and telling you to update to it for a more secure os ...

[lsdninja]

Don't underestimate the level of crazy/stupid/desperate among the Windows 7 faithful around here, they'll do literally anything except upgrade to a properly supported OS XD

[kingjames488]

sure feels like some scumbaggery to me...

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kitty:

That's really crazy for anyone to do. Not only are you using an ancient version of Windows without updates but no anti-virus either.. wow. You're just asking for someone to exploit your system! And by the way no: You can't rely on windows defender either. Defender updates for Windows 7 stopped back in 2023 too.

Hello

Defender is still recieving update from ms , last one i recieved was the 15/02 as i went finally online again.You also recieving each month mrt

While this is true, the Defender built into and/or offered for Win7/8 is complete junk. No where near the same kinds of protections or features as the Defender built into Win10/11

If you are to continue using Win7/8 users should on these OS' stop using Edge, Chrome, Firefox since they won't have any further support or updates for these OS' and would also be a good idea to disable Defender or Uninstall it. Instead try Brave web browser as well as MalwareBytes Premium. MalwareBytes Premium can be purchased for fairly cheap for multi devices then use 1 device code for your Win7/8 machine.

[Crashed]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad 💀 Motha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

Hello

Defender is still recieving update from ms , last one i recieved was the 15/02 as i went finally online again.You also recieving each month mrt

While this is true, the Defender built into and/or offered for Win7/8 is complete junk. No where near the same kinds of protections or features as the Defender built into Win10/11

If you are to continue using Win7/8 users should on these OS' stop using Edge, Chrome, Firefox since they won't have any further support or updates for these OS' and would also be a good idea to disable Defender or Uninstall it. Instead try Brave web browser as well as MalwareBytes Premium. MalwareBytes Premium can be purchased for fairly cheap for multi devices then use 1 device code for your Win7/8 machine.

Brave dropped Windows 7 too despite its CEO being a bit "controversial."

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Crashed:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad 💀 Motha:

While this is true, the Defender built into and/or offered for Win7/8 is complete junk. No where near the same kinds of protections or features as the Defender built into Win10/11

If you are to continue using Win7/8 users should on these OS' stop using Edge, Chrome, Firefox since they won't have any further support or updates for these OS' and would also be a good idea to disable Defender or Uninstall it. Instead try Brave web browser as well as MalwareBytes Premium. MalwareBytes Premium can be purchased for fairly cheap for multi devices then use 1 device code for your Win7/8 machine.

Brave dropped Windows 7 too despite its CEO being a bit "controversial."

Well then this is all the more reason to just stop using Win7/8 then cause the other browsers use CEF which is outdated by about 2 or 3 years. That CEF 109 does not have protection and/or bug fixes against auto infections that can occur just from using such old web browsers

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad 💀 Motha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von bidulless:

Hello

Defender is still recieving update from ms , last one i recieved was the 15/02 as i went finally online again.You also recieving each month mrt

While this is true, the Defender built into and/or offered for Win7/8 is complete junk. No where near the same kinds of protections or features as the Defender built into Win10/11

If you are to continue using Win7/8 users should on these OS' stop using Edge, Chrome, Firefox since they won't have any further support or updates for these OS' and would also be a good idea to disable Defender or Uninstall it. Instead try Brave web browser as well as MalwareBytes Premium. MalwareBytes Premium can be purchased for fairly cheap for multi devices then use 1 device code for your Win7/8 machine.

Hello

About defender , i am clearly agree with you, il's not an realtime av.
I do not agree with you while you are saying that you should stop using firefox,may be are you not aware that it's still fully functionnal under w7 ( 115 or esr ).
I do not see the need to disable defender , it doe it job, just use a real av with it and it's ok.

[bidulless]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Bad 💀 Motha:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Crashed:

Brave dropped Windows 7 too despite its CEO being a bit "controversial."

Well then this is all the more reason to just stop using Win7/8 then cause the other browsers use CEF which is outdated by about 2 or 3 years. That CEF 109 does not have protection and/or bug fixes against auto infections that can occur just from using such old web browsers

hello
Using w10/w11 or linux won't change that, the cef release will still be v109 if you are talking about the steam beta client, an outdated and vulnerable release of cef.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von [e-mail]:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von kitty:

You should remove your second video card to save power and heat and sell it. SLI is ancient history and isn't supported anymore today. Support for SLI was ended by Nvidia back in 2019.


Not even close to that. A mid-range 8-core processor from 2022 is +60% faster than your old dinosaur CPU (both multi and single core performance), even with -2 less cores than your CPU has. See here: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/2792vs4823/Intel-i7-6950X-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-5800X3D


This is not true at all. I have played many WindowsXP era games in Windows 10 and Windows 11. They all run just fine. Windows 10 can run any game that Windows 7 can run without issue.


You can't do that. All computers made in 2023 and later can not run Windows 7 at all. No drivers exist for Win7 for those computers. You will never be able to install and use Windows 7 on any computer using hardware that was produced during or after 2023.

Also Nvidia stopped driver support for Windows 7 at the RTX 3000 series. All video cards from the RTX 4000 series and newer will never have Windows 7 drivers at all. You can not use either RTX 4000 series or RTX 5000 series (or anything newer) in Windows 7.

What a bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.
1 - I don't believe you've tried all the circa 100,000+ games from the WinXP era and they work in Win11 without a problem. On the contrary, discussions and "reviews" are full of problems, and I'm not even counting games that "nobody knows". And isn't it better to prevent problems than to create them and waste time solving them?
2 - Win7 supports practically the most powerful HW of today (Ryzen 7 5800X3D + RX 6950XT - no, I would never buy a Geforce and RDNA4 probably won't be much more powerful), which will be sufficient for the next 5-10 years.

My Win7 is even more secure than Win11 is in the base, so I don't see any problem from that point of view either. Win11's customisation options are also more limited and many things are far less well implemented than in Win7 (for example broken+ugly+confusing non-minimalistic UI, which looks like it was designed by a bunch of colorblinded)
-scrollbar at a certain window size can be fixed in the middle of the screen even if I am at the top/bottom of the program
-big taskbar (bottom only) with small icons
-big titlebars with small font
-missing Windows Color & Appearance
-...
And I don't care about those few dx12 games

1 - If you are heavy into PC retro games. I would just use a retro PC, throw Windows XP directly on it and play your XP games there. Windows 7 relies on a compatibility layer for XP just as Windows 10/11 do.
2 - The most powerful HW of today is the latest HW as of today. So Ryzen 7000, Intel 14th gen. Also the 5800X3D only officially supports Windows 10/11.
If the OS is unstable or your CPU runs at half the speed you see on basically any benchmark out there in the wild. You can't blaim anyone. AMD (and Intel as well for that matter) don't support these CPUs and you are simply lucky that they function on Win 7.
Also how the hell does Windows 7 handle the 6950XT? My uncle bought an rx570 years ago, daily driving Windows 8 and even it couldn't handle the new GPU, forcing him to go Windows 10. And this was years ago back when these OSs still got security updates. So how is a more up to date GPU supposed to work on an even older OS?

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von [e-mail]:

It's not that hard to go to the official site and download the drivers from here
https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-rx-6000-series/amd-radeon-rx-6900-series/amd-radeon-rx-6950-xt

The drivers are from mid-2021 when the card initially launched and I think everyone knows that AMD cards usually take a year or so until their drivers get properly optimized.
Also ESPECIALLY for rx 6000 cards. Enabling RT with the launch drivers with divide your framerate by 10.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von [e-mail]:

Okay, so I'll buy an RX 6900XT with mid-2022 drivers
https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-6000-series/amd-radeon-6900-series/amd-radeon-rx-6900-xt
I wouldn't turn on RT in any case
Official (non)support doesn't mean much. For example, for the Vega iGPU in the Athlon 200GE there are also "no drivers" for Win7 and yet a minor modification of the INI file is enough

Thing is like.
Yeah, AMD cards do usually take a while until their drivers get optimized. But you also likely won't find Windows 7 games which require a 6900XT as all modern/demanding games use DirectX 12, which isn't supported on Windows 7.

I know it's the most Linux user thing to say. But if you really hate Windows 10+ from the bottom of your heart. Just install Linux lmao.
At least over here, you get updates and a better gaming experience. Like Linux gaming is far from perfect. But at least you can buy a modern game and it'll likely work. Like no game over the last few years has official Windows 7 support and if something (like CS2) does work. It's by pure luck.

[r.linder]

Linux may be far from perfect but it's still far better than Windows 7 in 2024