stuttering in some games after gpu upgrade

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After changing 1060 3gb to 6600 non-xt some of my games started stuttering a lot.Usually the stutter goes away after running around the same area for a while.Some game don't have any stuttering.The thing is I'm upgrading my old PC with a PCIE 3.0 mobo.Could that be the cause?As far as I know there's basically no differnece between pci 3.0 and 4.0 on 6600 and 6600xt

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Do you still have the prior CPU to test?

Nope.Already sold it.8700K feels ok-ish on this mobo under heavy gaming.All cores/threads stay at 4,3ghz rock solid.Power draw reaches 60-70W in the most demanding games where it reaches it'sperformance limit.In the stuttery games 8700K is just chilling at 30-50% utilization & 30-40W power draw.Disabling turbo boost doesn't have any effect besides 1,5x lower TDP

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What is reflected (like with Afterburner) when these stutters occurs? Is GPU use high? Is CPU use high? (Do not look at overall utilization but at per core utilization.) What are CPU clocks like? My thought would be that something has to be limited at these moments. That's typically what stutters are the result of.

GPU nearly maxed out.Not 100% since I'm using vsync+60fps limit.CPU 30-50% 4,3ghz on each core/thread.Nothing unusual.Tried messing around with power limits in bios:
auto - stuttering in ROtTR & Hunt Showdown; no stutter in Cyberpunk & Doom Eternal
100W long & short PLs - same
70W both - same
65W both - same
70W long auto short - same
70W long 100W short - same
CPU-Z stress test - constant 70-75W power draw 4,3ghz
Aida64 stress test - constant 80-85W; turbo boost disables itself after 5 min or so.Probably due to VRM controller reporting high temps.No throttling though

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Already updated bios to the latest version.Already tried resetting to default

Hey can you go to Userbenchmark.com and download their free program and give me a link to the results when it opens up in your browser so that I can see that page?

Sure will do after I finish downloading smth

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Already updated bios to the latest version.Already tried resetting to default

Hey can you go to Userbenchmark.com and download their free program and give me a link to the results when it opens up in your browser so that I can see that page?

here it is
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/63770906

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Hey can you go to Userbenchmark.com and download their free program and give me a link to the results when it opens up in your browser so that I can see that page?

here it is
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/63770906

Well, it looks really good from what I can see. Good news I suppose. I really can't think of anything else.

Have you tried running those games without vsync?

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here it is
https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/63770906

Well, it looks really good from what I can see. Good news I suppose. I really can't think of anything else.

Have you tried running those games without vsync?

Yes.Literally no difference

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Well, it looks really good from what I can see. Good news I suppose. I really can't think of anything else.

Have you tried running those games without vsync?

Yes.Literally no difference

Has your drive setup or anything else changed at all during this upgrade?

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I’d just try and find an overlay that gives a chart for cpu usage, gpu usage, hdd/ssd transfers, power draw etc and see which is maxing or struggling.

I last had this with GoW and I saw when I had stutters the hdd was transferring at something like 80mb/s, everything else looked ok. Moved to ssd and all was good. 80mb/s certainly isn’t saturated (maybe it was access times that caused the problem) but something is working hard and causing the problem.

I’ve no idea what options you have for that in windows but mangohud was my choice on Linux. Possibly afterburner?

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Yes.Literally no difference

Has your drive setup or anything else changed at all during this upgrade?

No.I just added 1tb P220 SSD for games and stuff

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I’d just try and find an overlay that gives a chart for cpu usage, gpu usage, hdd/ssd transfers, power draw etc and see which is maxing or struggling.

I last had this with GoW and I saw when I had stutters the hdd was transferring at something like 80mb/s, everything else looked ok. Moved to ssd and all was good. 80mb/s certainly isn’t saturated (maybe it was access times that caused the problem) but something is working hard and causing the problem.

I’ve no idea what options you have for that in windows but mangohud was my choice on Linux. Possibly afterburner?

I've been using afterburner for over 2 years.I always have full monitoring overlay active

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I’d just try and find an overlay that gives a chart for cpu usage, gpu usage, hdd/ssd transfers, power draw etc and see which is maxing or struggling.

I last had this with GoW and I saw when I had stutters the hdd was transferring at something like 80mb/s, everything else looked ok. Moved to ssd and all was good. 80mb/s certainly isn’t saturated (maybe it was access times that caused the problem) but something is working hard and causing the problem.

I’ve no idea what options you have for that in windows but mangohud was my choice on Linux. Possibly afterburner?

I've been using afterburner for over 2 years.I always have full monitoring overlay active

I'm interested in post #12 where you listed the games. So in that list of four games only one had microstutters and it was the online one?

Any other ones that get microstutters and preferably that aren't online?

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I'm interested in post #12 where you listed the games. So in that list of four games only one had microstutters and it was the online one?

Any other ones that get microstutters and preferably that aren't online?

2 games: Rise of the tomb raider and hunt showdown.Others seem to be stable

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Nope.Already sold it.8700K feels ok-ish on this mobo under heavy gaming.All cores/threads stay at 4,3ghz rock solid.Power draw reaches 60-70W in the most demanding games where it reaches it'sperformance limit.In the stuttery games 8700K is just chilling at 30-50% utilization & 30-40W power draw.Disabling turbo boost doesn't have any effect besides 1,5x lower TDP

Power draw being half as high in the games that stutter would have me questioning if the CPU is being throttled though. I know the change that caused the change in behavior was the GPU change and not the CPU change though so it reasons the CPU is not the cause, but it also reasons that a faster GPU shouldn't be having issues where a slower one didn't. So basically I'd be considering everything on the table to be honest.

Generalizations of what part is at what utilization level aren't important. It's what is at that limit during the moment of stutters, and only then, that is important. What's happening the other 99% of the time is totally irrelevant. What is limited during these stutters? GPU? A CPU core? PCI bus link? I would really be trying to focus on if there is a consistent limitation or not (and I can only imagine this might be difficult or frustrating to narrow down).

Can you, by chance, show a few recordings in a few different games (the more, the better, with at least three being good and way more, like five plus, probably being unnecessary) during these instances of stuttering? A bit of time and effort yes but it might help paint a far better picture.

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Aida64 stress test - constant 80-85W; turbo boost disables itself after 5 min or so.Probably due to VRM controller reporting high temps.No throttling though

I would think that's maybe related though?

Again, I'm with you that "change of behavior happened after GPU change and not CPU change" but I'm also seeing signs a board and its VRM might not be coping with the CPU and I'm also of the reasoning that "slower GPU managed so faster GPU should" so I'd be putting everything on the table.

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I'm interested in post #12 where you listed the games. So in that list of four games only one had microstutters and it was the online one?

Any other ones that get microstutters and preferably that aren't online?

2 games: Rise of the tomb raider and hunt showdown.Others seem to be stable

Are all your games on the SSD? What I would personally do since I'm out of ideas at the moment is disable that SATA drive or remove the drive letter so Windows doesn't see it and see if that changes anything. I doubt it will, but with not much else to experiment with I would try that.

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his mobo is so simple 4 phases and perhaps 3+1 !!! i7 8700K has 95W Pl1 and 118W Pl2 . The mobo VRM perhaps throttles .

I do agree that mobo looks just overall low budget and cheap and maybe there's just something about it causing this but without a technical reason to pinpoint I really don't want to say that like I know what I'm talking about. It's just an assumption.

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Hey, I was googling issues with Hunt Showdown and that cpu and a thread came up. It's here https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/k4mllq/those_who_are_suffering_from_a_stuttering_or_a/.

I would check it out and see if you can test what some guy said on there. It might be the game itself? Worth a shot to see.

But basically I think what you do is....;

"To set this up, right click on the game and select properties. Go to the beta tab, select the beta branch called “lightweight_profiler” from the drop down menu and then close the tab."

Edit: I just realized that thread isn't about your particular CPU and it is old so might not be much of a cure anymore since that game might be updated? Just feel like mentioning this.