CPU just doesn't seem right...

[8-The-General-8]

Heyhey!

Currently looking at ways to reduce temp. on CPU after getting a little frustrated with temps on some games that I feel shouldn't be a problem.

I looked for drivers but the Intel site only has some sort of addition to the cpu in the form of onboard graphics and no indication it actually does anything to the primary driver for CPU.

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700HQ

GPU is Nvidia 1060 6gb version. WHich seems to be performing very well so far, no heat issues etc..

Yes, it's a laptop but really well looked after previously, I even suspect the bloke had it in storage for some time as he thought there may have been a battery issue and it is perfect, flawless case wise unlike a lot of 2nd hand lappies. I think the model is about 4 years old.

ACer care drivers seem non existent. I tried acercare prog from a different source to actual site but seems to not work anymore as when I boot it it quits now yet is still running in taskmanager??
(Nice laptops Acer but your support is hilariously sad)

I have installed MSI afterburner but not made any modifications nor configured/changed settings yet. I read that undervolting CPU can reduce Temp.

I also use CPUIDZ range of tools to monitor and Acer Predator sense that manages fans seems to be a bit off as well as it isn't going into turbo fan boost like it was a few weeks ago.

The reason I raise this problem here is well, searches online seem to always lead to some sort of tool that I never heard of or really from old articles that don't really describe what the title says... Tech type sites full of adverts etc., some useful forums though. So, hoping someone out there has some basic step by step advice that is safe (I really don't want to overclock or play with voltages until I am sure I can safely and stably adjust them) and tackle this issue.

ANyway, to ahh -T.L.D.R. :

CPU overheating with what seems at times not heavy load.

Not used to overclocking or playing with voltages.

Can't find latest comprehensive driver for CPU as listed above.

Can't find ACER Care monitoring and updating tool latest driver.

Acer Predator sense coolboost seems off...

Yep! Messy! lol!

Thanks for any help.

[MancSoulja]

I see you talk about temps a lot but you haven't mentioned the actual numbers, what are your temps when your CPU is overheating?

[Shaggy]

What sort of temperatures are you seeing?

[8-The-General-8]

引用自 MancSoulja：

I see you talk about temps a lot but you haven't mentioned the actual numbers, what are your temps when your CPU is overheating?

Last night running Battle Fleet Gothic 2 it hit 92 C. I have a habit now of ALT TABbing during games because I just don't know what's gonna happen... I will post a screeny in a sec.

And ahh good point! lol

Screenshot :

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3025764602

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[8-The-General-8]

引用自 smallcat：

The fastest cure is to disable the turbo either in BIOS or in Windows power plans . The latter is done by setting max CPU 99% .

Actually, that's another point I should have mentioned. I saw some Euro fella that said modifying a regkey would disable CPU boost and improve heat problem. I will link that video too.

THanks so much for replies so far. Gimme a few minutes to get some screens and links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWBVtXPfTB0

This guy.

I rewatched video and went to power settings that is on a custom plan. It is at 100% and does not display "Aggressive" but as a percentage.

Should I maybe try default settings and try again?

The fan issue/Coolsense though... Is this why fans aren't going turbo anymore?

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

The tool you're referring to is probably Intel xtu. It will undervolt the processor for lower temperature, although I don't think yours is supported with new versions so you'll have to find an outdated version of xtu that supports the 7700hq. Be careful though as those programs can crash your laptop if bad settings are used.

You can get some thermal pads and a syringe of thermal paste. This way you can refresh the cooling system and clean things up. That's what I would do to a second hand laptop.

Acer care is only useful if you want a quick and easy way to view your serial number. The laptop is probably out of warranty at this point, so don't even install Acer care, as you won't be using it for support or anything.

What you want is Nitro Sense or Predator Sense, depending on what model you have. For example, I have Acer nitro 5 and I installed Nitro Sense. I also loaded the drivers from Acer website besides graphics, I got those from Nvidia and Intel because you'll need dch.

Honestly you want a fresh windows install on these things because they come preloaded with shovelware and bloatware.

Limitation of your frame rate will do wonders for temperature.

[8-The-General-8]

引用自 W O K E I S M：

The tool you're referring to is probably Intel xtu. It will undervolt the processor for lower temperature, although I don't think yours is supported with new versions so you'll have to find an outdated version of xtu that supports the 7700hq. Be careful though as those programs can crash your laptop if bad settings are used.

You can get some thermal pads and a syringe of thermal paste. This way you can refresh the cooling system and clean things up. That's what I would do to a second hand laptop.

Acer care is only useful if you want a quick and easy way to view your serial number. The laptop is probably out of warranty at this point, so don't even install Acer care, as you won't be using it for support or anything.

What you want is Nitro Sense or Predator Sense, depending on what model you have. For example, I have Acer nitro 5 and I installed Nitro Sense. I also loaded the drivers from Acer website besides graphics, I got those from Nvidia and Intel because you'll need dch.

Honestly you want a fresh windows install on these things because they come preloaded with shovelware and bloatware.

Limitation of your frame rate will do wonders for temperature.

Yeah, good points. I am trying to avoid the thermal paste step if possible.

As I said laptop was in perfect condition, bought it off a professional Pentester heh... Fresh WIN 10 install and well, yeah, the driver updates were a real slog.

Acercare is a joke, really sad and yeah at least good for serial numbers.

I have pulled apart an Acer laptop before to clean it of any dust but this one is really, almost shining lol! Really well looked after. Thermal paste I feel isn't the answer, well, yet. Definitely in the future.

I will review the power plan above, reset to default and then go through advice here.

P.S.
I did install benchmark to get info on system more and hoping that it would have recommendations for drivers but instead only for hardware. Is there a safe tool that does that somewhere?

P.P.S.

I set Nvidia to max frame rate of 60 for all games under options prior.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

There is no "CPU Driver" when you install the Intel Chipset INF it covers mostly everything to do with the Motherboard Chipset.

For Intel based Laptops; download and run this tool.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html

Then get latest GPU Driver from NVIDIA here:
https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/210647

[8-The-General-8]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

There is no "CPU Driver" when you install the Intel Chipset INF it covers mostly everything to do with the Motherboard Chipset.

For Intel based Laptops; download and run this tool.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/detect.html

Then get latest GPU Driver from NVIDIA here:
https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/210647

Nice, thank you.

I ran the Intel tool and it took a minute 'repairing' something... Then prompted to restart. Ran it twice to be sure.

Well, Laptop boots really fast now at least lol... 12 secs I counted.

I checked CPU 'driver' changes and it states driver is AUG 2009?? Under Device Manager.

Is that normal?...

[Bad 💀 Motha]

There is NO Driver for the CPU.
It's simply generic one for every PC for WinOS.
You don't change or worry about that.

[8-The-General-8]

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha：

There is NO Driver for the CPU.
It's simply generic one for every PC for WinOS.
You don't change or worry about that.

Ok, new to me. I looked that up and you're right. Thanks.

These steps I have done so far :

Intel driver fix as per link above.

Adjusted power plan / Performance on high for both Battery and Pugged in , both options adjusted to 99% (Was 100%)
(As mentioned above)

Everything is up to date, so I suppose my only option left will be to learn about undervolting and Process Lasso (A little program I discovered using mods recently).

Thanks to all for your help. Been very educational : )

P.S.

As a side note, I ran Starwars Empire at war and it ran off onboard graphics only (I think that's normal... lol?) and CPU hit 53C max. Yay!

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

No, you don't want high performance power profile. You want your CPU clock speed to be variable for proper temperature and voltage management. That's like being in a car and holding your foot down on the throttle, even though you're in neutral. Terribly inefficient and a good way to shorten the life of any laptop.

It actually makes your PC perform worse, because now you disturbed turbo boost on your CPU. Turbo boost will be disabled and clock speed will be at a constant rate. Using more voltage, creating more heat, more stress on battery, power pack etc.

That high performance power profile is very misleading and should be named differently. It should be called something like "constant performance".

What you want and will only need is the balanced profile in windows. This way your clock speed will be variable, the way it was designed to be. Running efficiently and staying cooler.

[MonkehMaster]

first off, does the laptop have vents, if so are they clean of dust?

did you hear any fan(s) running when it was in use and did the laptop have any way of setting a fan(s) curve?

secondly, did you open it and reapply thermal paste? paste should be changed maybe every 1-2 years depending on usage/ect..

also thermal pads, does it have any and are they in need of changing? these can dry up and start falling apart quite fast as well.

as for drivers, your best bet is just grabbing driver booster and having it get any missing drivers or update any drivers, ignoring the gpu driver and getting that from nvidia's site.

anywho, in general laptops will always run hot, but again depending on usage and years, any vents could have dust clogging them and the paste has likely dried up by now, not including said paste was probably the cheapest they could use when it was made and also to mention thermal pads could need changing.

balanced power plan (as mentioned by someone else) helps keep it cool, but if you happen to game on it, you will want the performance power plan to being used.

also i dunno what way that laptop uses the graphics card(s), but if possible i would disable the intel graphics, so it forces use of the nvidia graphics.

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side note:

the cooling solution i used to use on laptops was forcing air through the vents (ie... the bottom vents), i had a small cheap pc desk with wheels, i cut a square hole in the middle and lined the outer top edge of the hole, with some sticky foam strips (stuff you would use to seal the gap between a door and its frame), i mounted a metal pan under the hole and ran a piece air ducting (maybe a foot long) from the pan, added a screened and filtered metal cap as the air filter, then added a small but powerful fan (used a clothes drier fan) inside the air duct, but in general i was "sealing" the laptop to the desk and forcing filtered air through its vents and all hot air was being pushed out very fast, in the end it helped a ton with the temps and also provided dust filtering.

the cool thing was i was able to use it with any laptop i had.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Set power profile to Balanced for non-Gaming.

Set to High/Ultra Performance prior to launching a demanding game.

[🦊Λℚ𝓤ΛƑΛᗯҜᔕ🦊]

引用自 8-The-General-8：

CPU: Intel Core i7-7700HQ

GPU is Nvidia 1060 6gb version. WHich seems to be performing very well so far, no heat issues etc..

You're using a laptop processor in a laptop with a dedicated video card. The CPU it's self already runs hot and then you add in the heat from the video card too and that means your system is always going to run hot and thermal throttle both the CPU and GPU. This is just what you have to deal with by using a laptop. There's nothing you can do about it and there's no way to fix it. This is just the nature of using laptops.

[8-The-General-8]

引用自 8-The-General-8：

引用自 W O K E I S M：

No, you don't want high performance power profile. You want your CPU clock speed to be variable for proper temperature and voltage management. That's like being in a car and holding your foot down on the throttle, even though you're in neutral. Terribly inefficient and a good way to shorten the life of any laptop.

It actually makes your PC perform worse, because now you disturbed turbo boost on your CPU. Turbo boost will be disabled and clock speed will be at a constant rate. Using more voltage, creating more heat, more stress on battery, power pack etc.

That high performance power profile is very misleading and should be named differently. It should be called something like "constant performance".

What you want and will only need is the balanced profile in windows. This way your clock speed will be variable, the way it was designed to be. Running efficiently and staying cooler.

Ahhh ok. I have been thinking about this. I noticed the fans aren't boosting when temps are high in a game yesterday, BAttletech, pretty cpu intensive game.

I manually had to switch fans to max and get the temps down. GPU was fine though.

Gosh, I will go through the steps again in my adhoc way and note your advice. thanks matey.