WaifuRacer 2023 年 8 月 25 日 上午 9:18
Steam client unusable on Windows 11 but worked perfectly on windows 10...
So as title says. Updated my laptop to Windows 11, and steam refuses to work unless I enable compatibility mode and set it to Windows 7, but then Remote Play which I used on this laptop perfectly on windows 10, does not work. If compatibility is disabled, the steam client launches, but the buttons on the window title bar (settings, view etc) as well as the tray icon are unresponsive, the rest of the launcher does react to clicks but in general is glitching not loading or if it does its very VERY slow. It worked perfectly fine on Windows 10 including remote play...

The specs:
Lenovo Thinkpad T420
i5-2520M 2.5Ghz
16GB DDR3 Ram
Intel HD 3000
Windows 11 Pro
Version 22H2
Build: 22621.1194
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Bad 💀 Motha 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 9:52 
Since MS doesn't even seem to care about people installing Win11 on so called unsupported PCs, I really don't see the problem as long as those can still do Windows Updates normally
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 10:02 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
引用自 N3tRunn3r
Some motherboards so their TPM can even be upgraded via Firmware. So if your motherboard support TPM upgrading from 1.x to 2.0, do it ..

That often is not the case at all.
Most TPM 2.O boards come with a removable chip so either you have to buy it for the motherboard if not shipped with said motherboard or the chip can be upgraded but generally you can't upgrade TPM 1.0 to 2.0 as the chips are different and 2.0 chips hold alot more data

In most cases, yes. Chips have to be exchanged. Additionally I didnt explicitly mention from 1.0 to 2.0, as this is not possible. It needs to be TPM 1.2 at least iirc. However, if you are a lucky one by owning such a special chip being able to be upgraded from TPM 1.x to 2.0 via Firmware, just read this article:

Update your security processor (TPM) firmware
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/update-your-security-processor-tpm-firmware-94205cbc-a492-8d79-cc55-1ecd6b0a8022

Simply search the net to find particular info to upgrade your TPM to version 2.0 via Firmware.

Before exchanging the security TPM chip, just buy a more modern motherboard and CPU.. A TPM 2.0 is sorta useless if your CPU cannot handle Windows 11. So, if you are a lucky one, upgrade your TPM chip via Firmware to version 2.0 in where your CPU could handle W11..

最后由 N3tRunn3r 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 10:22
Bad 💀 Motha 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 10:33 
Even CPUs from 10 years ago can handle Win11 fine. Regardless of what MS says. Can disable the checks that Win11 installer does but in order to do that you need to do a clean OS install, not the upgrade method
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 10:47 
Installing Windows 11 on non-supported hardware via bypass will harm your system, rather to have a stable installment. Many updates, especially security updates and updates for stability as well as special critical files wont be fixed and installed as these are simply "incompatible". Therefore not recommended, well, besides an offline PC which is not connected to the internet at all, just like some of todays XP and Windows 7 machines for internal use at labs etc. It will still be a unstable and "unsupported" operating system.
最后由 N3tRunn3r 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:01
MonkehMaster 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 10:58 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
Even CPUs from 10 years ago can handle Win11 fine. Regardless of what MS says. Can disable the checks that Win11 installer does but in order to do that you need to do a clean OS install, not the upgrade method

wrong, you can do it with an upgrade or clean install.

引用自 N3tRunn3r
Installing Windows 11 on non-supported hardware via bypass will harm your system, rather to have a stable installment. Many updates, especially security updates and updates for stability as well as special critical files wont be fixed and installed. Therefore not recommended, well, besides an offline PC which is not connected to the internet. However, it will still be unstable.

wrong, it does not harm anything and everything works as intended.

it is very much recommended, to bypass microsoft nonsense.
最后由 MonkehMaster 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:00
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:03 
引用自 MonkehMaster
引用自 N3tRunn3r
Installing Windows 11 on non-supported hardware via bypass will harm your system, rather to have a stable installment. Many updates, especially security updates and updates for stability as well as special critical files wont be fixed and installed as these are simply "incompatible". Therefore not recommended, well, besides an offline PC which is not connected to the internet at all, just like some of todays XP and Windows 7 machines for internal use at labs etc. It will still be a unstable and "unsupported" operating system.

wrong, it does not harm anything and everything works as intended.

it is very much recommended, to bypass microsoft nonsense.
You probably confuse something.. however:

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet minimum system requirements
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

Installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet Windows 11 minimum system requirements is not recommended. If you choose to install Windows 11 on ineligible hardware, you should be comfortable assuming the risk of running into compatibility issues.

Your device might malfunction due to these compatibility or other issues. Devices that do not meet these system requirements will no longer be guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates.

How could you know if everything runs "as intended", if you are not even aware to have received any critical updates at all.. that is non-sense! While regular customers receive a dozen of updates a month, you can be lucky to have received a single one in this case.

To disable "online/cloud" mode during a fresh install to create a "LOCAL ACCOUNT" is a different as well as a highly recommended topic and fact, than installing Windows 11 on unsupported ineligible hardware which potentially harms your system.

Because it is possible to install W11 on unsupported hardware doesnt automatically mean everything is safe and stable and "runs as intended" on there. It therefore "is" a unstable operating system installment with security leaks and incompatibility issues.
最后由 N3tRunn3r 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:13
Bad 💀 Motha 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:13 
MS has to say those kinds of things to cover their own butts; legally.
What they generally are speaking of is how you might run into issues due to lack of proper driver support for outdated hardware; such as Intel iGPU's older then UHD 6xx series for example. While older ones "might" work OK, they don't have the full features and proper driver support due to their age and no longer supported; etc.

All of this however does not stop the system from receiving the OS related feature updates or security updates.

Microsoft also says such things because once certain hardware is so old; they won't bother to test it. Kind of the things you see with many Games; where many games "can" technically run on some older hardware, but it does not appear to look that way from a potential game purchaser before hand due to the listed minimum requirements.

Also if you don't meet the proper requirements for Win11 TPM then you wouldn't be able to use things such as SecureBoot or BitLocker; even if you are using Win11 Pro or Enterprise, which offers BitLocker.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:14
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:16 
Your statement clearly underlines the fact, if to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware truly is a unstable installment and environment. Just as mentioned above.

It is like flashing BIOS with a false firmware. Depends on hardware. Either it works until it breaks, or you killed your machine and/or BIOS in an instant. Always hardware-related and dependent stuff, highly varies. Same goes with BETA drivers of all kind.
最后由 N3tRunn3r 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:23
MonkehMaster 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:16 
引用自 N3tRunn3r
引用自 MonkehMaster


wrong, it does not harm anything and everything works as intended.

it is very much recommended, to bypass microsoft nonsense.
You probably confuse something.. however:

Installing Windows 11 on devices that don't meet minimum system requirements
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1

Installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet Windows 11 minimum system requirements is not recommended. If you choose to install Windows 11 on ineligible hardware, you should be comfortable assuming the risk of running into compatibility issues.

Your device might malfunction due to these compatibility or other issues. Devices that do not meet these system requirements will no longer be guaranteed to receive updates, including but not limited to security updates.

How could you know if everything runs "as intended", if you are not even aware to have received any critical updates at all.. that is non-sense! While regular customers receive a dozen of updates a month, you can be lucky to have received a single one in this case.

To disable "online/cloud" mode during a fresh install to create a "LOCAL ACCOUNT" is a different as well as a highly recommended topic and fact, than installing Windows 11 on unsupported ineligible hardware which potentially harms your system.

Because it is possible to install W11 on unsupported hardware doesnt automatically mean everything is safe and stable and "runs as intended" on there. It therefore "is" a unstable operating system installment with security leaks and incompatibility issues.

microsoft says lots of stuff, that doesnt mean im going to instantly believe them.... nor that when i install win 11 on "unsupported hardware" and everything works perfectly fine with no compatibility issues as you or they claim, then im going to believe what i see and not what some company wants me to believe.
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:22 
Sure, everyone is free to do whatever they like on their machines.. good luck!
MonkehMaster 2023 年 10 月 17 日 下午 11:25 
引用自 N3tRunn3r
Sure, everyone is free to do whatever they like on their machines.. good luck!

thats right, but no luck needed.
Bad 💀 Motha 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 12:37 
You do realize you can use Win10 and even in some cases Win7 Drivers for hardware when on Win11 right?

If your system properly supports Win10, there is no reason it doesn't support Win11; besides MS telling you otherwise, mostly because of the TPM either outdated or not present.

Even on newer devices if you have the TPM feature off in the BIOS, which can often be true for many Motherboards; it will still fail MS Win11 compatibility test.

If it works, you're fine. It's not going to break or kill your hardware.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 12:39
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 12:51 
I never told if to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware that it will break/kill hardware. But unstable as mentioned various times already which you have even underlined with your statements above...

However, faulty/incompatible (software) drivers could indeed break hardware. Take a look back at Diablo IV Beta. Many GPUs bricked due to faulty and/or incompatible drivers, that even Gigabytes Support site got temporarily disabled.. But this is an other concern.. and did relate to bad GPU manufacturing, low and cheap quality.

So by this logic and compared with your statement above, this GPU worked fine until a particular software (game) did run and so to had caused a GPU kill..

Pfft, not to mention the XP Era. How many faulty AMD/Ati drivers did kill AMD/Ati GPUs and even motherboards back in the days.. even today AMD/Ati is crap.

Never buy cheap Gigabyte stuff, never buy AMD/Ati crap.. though, AMD has been sorta superior into Server Technologies lately. This is an other topic.. it is like comparing VW with Porsche. In 2024, 2025~, Intel comes back for Server Tech.
最后由 N3tRunn3r 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 1:15
Bad 💀 Motha 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 1:11 
Well that usually happens from user stupidity if you ask me.
I always stay a few drivers behind and let the rich people on YouTube test them for us.
People are so damn eager to keep drivers up to date, then wonder why stuff breaks; such as their games, or your actual GPU.

If an OS is unstable on your hardware, can use others, Windows 10 or 11 OS isn't the only viable OS you can use. And it doesn't hurt to "test" stuff.

Am I going to suggest to Grandma to put Win11 on their 10 year old Laptop; heck no.
最后由 Bad 💀 Motha 编辑于; 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 1:14
N3tRunn3r 2023 年 10 月 18 日 上午 1:17 
引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
..
People are so damn eager to keep drivers up to date, then wonder why stuff breaks; such as their games, or your actual GPU.

usually caused by installing Beta Drivers. I remember these days when people had always installed non-stable but beta drivers for their AMD hardware and stuff. They even do today.

引用自 Bad 💀 Motha
..If an OS is unstable on your hardware, can use others, Windows 10 or 11 OS isn't the only viable OS you can use. And it doesn't hurt to "test" stuff.

Same goes with various Operating Systems, yes. Ubuntu for example. Bloated and unstable. Thats why Debian, or Arch ..
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