Steam client unusable on Windows 11 but worked perfectly on windows 10...

[WaifuRacer]

So as title says. Updated my laptop to Windows 11, and steam refuses to work unless I enable compatibility mode and set it to Windows 7, but then Remote Play which I used on this laptop perfectly on windows 10, does not work. If compatibility is disabled, the steam client launches, but the buttons on the window title bar (settings, view etc) as well as the tray icon are unresponsive, the rest of the launcher does react to clicks but in general is glitching not loading or if it does its very VERY slow. It worked perfectly fine on Windows 10 including remote play...

The specs:
Lenovo Thinkpad T420
i5-2520M 2.5Ghz
16GB DDR3 Ram
Intel HD 3000
Windows 11 Pro
Version 22H2
Build: 22621.1194

[WaifuRacer]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

With that Intel GPU and no dedicated GPU, wtf are you going to be able to run on Steam. That's all I was saying.

Overall Intel dropped driver support for HD 3000 long ago so while it might "run" Win10, it's never going to run it well enough.

It clearly is too old for Win11 so IDK why he even trying. Just go put Linux on it and enjoy it for what it is. A low end school/work laptop. Shouldn't even have Steam on it.

Remote Play, as I clearly stated above. Intel HD 3000 perfectly fulfills Steam Remote Play requirements. (H.264 Decoding) I have a gaming rig much better than my laptop, hence remote play. But even if I didnt, plenty of old games I own that run pefectly on this laptop without using remote play...
Please read the actual comments before commenting irrelevant things.

[WaifuRacer]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Originally posted by MonkehMaster:

not to old at all, as i said, i have laptops as old or older and they ran win 10 and win 11 just fine without issues.

anywho, the OP can do as they please with their property.

CAN YOU READ!
It's too old for STEAM.
There is nothing on Steam you going to be able to run on those low specs. Maybe indie 2d games like Stardew Valley and alike, that's about it. It's basically a paper weight besides using fot extreme basics. It's something you give a senor to do their Facebook and YouTube

Okay, that is just straight up false.
From Steam's official website:

Minimum System Requirements:
OS: Windows XP/Vista/7/8 or 10.
Processor: 2.3 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo or better.
Memory: 1024 MB RAM.
Graphics: DirectX 9 compatible video card with at least 1024MB of VRAM.
DirectX: Version 9.0.
Storage: 5 GB available space.

So no, my laptop is not too old for steam. Especially since I have an EXP E-gpu dock for it with a gtx 970... So if for whatever reason I need to run games on it natively that wont run on intel hd, I can run it with the nvidia card connected. Last game I ran on it with that set up was titanfall 2... But the whole point of the post was that a feature that worked PERFECTLY FINE on windows 10 was broken on windows 11... So it wasnt my hardware it was windows scaling... So i dont even know why you feel the need to talk sh-t

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Then let me backup a bit. First you never mentioned the GTX 970 so yes that helps a bit.

Overall what you should do is wipe the laptop clean and install Win11 22H2 via self made USB Drive. Use the SHIFT+F10 just prior to install to run the requirements bypass. Once you have Win11 installed then download and install all latest drivers, which you can get from Intel and NVIDIA.

You may still run into issues overall because again the Intel HD 3000 support was dropped for Win10 long ago and doesn't have hardware acceleration in Win11.

Even when you use an eGPU everything has to run through the Intel GPU to Display on the internal screen.

Overall I don't see why anyone really wants to move to Win11 when it's a known fact that it's a poor OS amd still in Beta stages for the most part. Every month MS can't decide which direction to take it in and just tossing out updates like candy for YOU to test for them.

You're better off with a clean Win10 22H2 until Win10 gets retired completely

[WaifuRacer]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Then let me backup a bit. First you never mentioned the GTX 970 so yes that helps a bit.

Overall what you should do is wipe the laptop clean and install Win11 22H2 via self made USB Drive. Use the SHIFT+F10 just prior to install to run the requirements bypass. Once you have Win11 installed then download and install all latest drivers, which you can get from Intel and NVIDIA.

You may still run into issues overall because again the Intel HD 3000 support was dropped for Win10 long ago and doesn't have hardware acceleration in Win11.

Even when you use an eGPU everything has to run through the Intel GPU to Display on the internal screen.

Overall I don't see why anyone really wants to move to Win11 when it's a known fact that it's a poor OS amd still in Beta stages for the most part. Every month MS can't decide which direction to take it in and just tossing out updates like candy for YOU to test for them.

You're better off with a clean Win10 22H2 until Win10 gets retired completely

One of my jobs is in IT so unfortunetly as much as I hate windows 11 (and 10 a little bit still) I have to familiarise myself with it because it comes with the job. So instead of nuking my PC i decided to test it on my laptop which I use mostly for work so the software on it works fine in windows 11 just like on 10. But It sucks ass, lot of features removed compared to windows 10... Its just if Im gonna suffer with it at least I want to be able to play my games on it lol. Windows 7 was the last good windows. Cant change my mind. If I didnt have sensitive data on my machine and wasnt scared of being hacked, I would still be on windows 7. Microsoft tried to get us to windows 10 with the promise of directx12 and better performance which turned out to be an absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie, most games that support it run like absolute trash on it, even on new hardware... And windows 10 in general is very resource heavy compared to win 7 to the point that an ssd is a requirement if you want to run it normally, and apart from that more security there was already no positive to upgrading to windows 10. You litterally have to use pirated cut down version and or use LTSC Enterprise edition which you cant buy keys for as a private individual you either have to rely on your company if they have LTSC licence or some dogdy website buying keys for it or you have to pirate it... Because the regular pro/home editions are full of bloatware and reduced control over data collection and updates and other ♥♥♥♥... While ltsc was mostly similar to windows 7 as in comes almost completely clean and you put on it what you want... I am in fact using LTSC on my pc rn and if this is what Pro edition would be: clean, empty, reliable and quick, I bet more people wouldve liked windows 10 on launch. Same for win11... You have to get Tiny11 otherwise it also is full of bloatware, even more than 10... Its a joke.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by Karlach Supremacy Enjoyer:

One of my jobs is in IT so unfortunetly as much as I hate windows 11 (and 10 a little bit still) I have to familiarise myself with it because it comes with the job. So instead of nuking my PC i decided to test it on my laptop which I use mostly for work so the software on it works fine in windows 11 just like on 10. But It sucks ass, lot of features removed compared to windows 10... Its just if Im gonna suffer with it at least I want to be able to play my games on it lol. Windows 7 was the last good windows. Cant change my mind. If I didnt have sensitive data on my machine and wasnt scared of being hacked, I would still be on windows 7. Microsoft tried to get us to windows 10 with the promise of directx12 and better performance which turned out to be an absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lie, most games that support it run like absolute trash on it, even on new hardware... And windows 10 in general is very resource heavy compared to win 7 to the point that an ssd is a requirement if you want to run it normally, and apart from that more security there was already no positive to upgrading to windows 10. You litterally have to use pirated cut down version and or use LTSC Enterprise edition which you cant buy keys for as a private individual you either have to rely on your company if they have LTSC licence or some dogdy website buying keys for it or you have to pirate it... Because the regular pro/home editions are full of bloatware and reduced control over data collection and updates and other ♥♥♥♥... While ltsc was mostly similar to windows 7 as in comes almost completely clean and you put on it what you want... I am in fact using LTSC on my pc rn and if this is what Pro edition would be: clean, empty, reliable and quick, I bet more people wouldve liked windows 10 on launch. Same for win11... You have to get Tiny11 otherwise it also is full of bloatware, even more than 10... Its a joke.

Can you name the features that are removed?

Microsoft are not going to steal your information. They probably got a billion customers on Windows in total. That'd be a lot of traffic to send files through. Even just text files.

DX12 can run a whole lot better than previous DX versions. It's just that Developers do not care for most of the time. The tools are there but they are not used right.

SSD are superior to harddrives. Even on Win7 it's a good idea to use one. Also later Windows versions are probably going to be built strictly for them. You just need a 256 GB SSD and you're good to go.

Bloat? Yeah if you use a harddrive but harddrive will feel bloat no matter how slim an OS is. Give it enough time and it'll start to feel the bloat.
It's normal for an OS to come with extra applications. Just right click -> Uninstall the ones you hate the most and then just hide the rest. It will not affect performance in any way either way.
Right now looking at my start menu and the programs in there. It's basically just standard tools that have come with each Windows version with some new ones.

You can turn down the Telemetry to a minimum and it will not bother you at all.

People will always hate the new Windows on launch. I'm sure people hated Win7 on launch as well.
https://gizmodo.com/7-things-we-hate-about-windows-7-5150284
Oh look at that, an article from 2009.
https://grumpybear.wordpress.com/2012/04/10/16-reasons-why-windows-7-sucks/
Another one but after the beta and from 2012.

But people hating on the newer Windows version is nothing new. It seems to be a vocal minority in most cases. With the exception of Win 8.0 because of that Start Menu change. That really did annoy people.

But Win10 is currently the most popular Windows to date. To the point where majority who uses it seems to have little to no problems with it.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

If your job is in I.T. thengo out and buy a newer more modern Laptop. Then you won't have all these issues now will you have to rely on an outdated eGPU and such.

Again and I'm done. The current Laptop specs are similar terrible for Win11 or Steam. You share info about minimum cpu and all that BS but the facts still stand as truth, which is what all I've said. I have not said anything untrue.

If you are in I.T. then you already know that Laptop is crap for anything besides grandmas basic needs.

It's not like you can really sit down and play with Win10 or 11 properly on that Laptop which is from around 2010/2011 when most of the features Win10/11 has, aren't supported by your Laptop, so how can you experience the OS fully to see what options people have on newer more modern hardware.

[MonkehMaster]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

If your job is in I.T. thengo out and buy a newer more modern Laptop. Then you won't have all these issues now will you have to rely on an outdated eGPU and such.

Again and I'm done. The current Laptop specs are similar terrible for Win11 or Steam. You share info about minimum cpu and all that BS but the facts still stand as truth, which is what all I've said. I have not said anything untrue.

If you are in I.T. then you already know that Laptop is crap for anything besides grandmas basic needs.

It's not like you can really sit down and play with Win10 or 11 properly on that Laptop which is from around 2010/2011 when most of the features Win10/11 has, aren't supported by your Laptop, so how can you experience the OS fully to see what options people have on newer more modern hardware.

wrong, i have laptops as old or older as i have already mentioned and they run win 11 just fine, one of them has a intel hd 3000 as well, steam will run both of them as well.

stop trying to spread misinformation and telling people what to do with and how to use their property....

we get it, you dont like people using older hardware on these "newer" OS's, but thing is you have no control over it and harassing them over it, isnt going to work either

[Bad 💀 Motha]

No, it's not wrong. It might "run" it but it's not ideal.
It doesn't have proper driver support.

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Originally posted by Karlach Supremacy Enjoyer:

Originally posted by plat:

I wonder if it's due to your hardware not being compatible with Windows 11. Did you deploy any workarounds to get it to install on incompatible hardware?

Just wondering.

Edit: your graphics are tied to your processor which is not supported. That's what stood out to me. If you turn off Hardware Acceleration in Steam settings, what happens?

Nevermind.... As suspected, something f- stupid was the issue.... Windows scaling... I had to set the scaling to 125% and then back to 100% and it fixed everything... Typical. I assume it doesnt like that I plug and unplug an additional display regularly, and probably it got bugged. Amazing :facepalm:

Messing with the scaling settings in windows did really help, I can now use steam client, before that it did not show the roll down menus and was flickering.

Btw: I have i5-2500K with integrated Intel HD 3000 graphics, the GPU overclocked from 1100Mhz to 1800Mhz (voltage also raised +0.07V), and I can run games like Portal 2 or Company of heroes 1, or Need for speed Most wanted 2005, at 50-60FPS in fullHD (with lowered graphics settings) for multiplayer gaming.

[Heitor Villa-Lobos]

Remove Windows and try some other OS. Specially one that doesn't capitalize on your personal data or serve you ads ans targeted news during usage.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by Heitor Villa-Lobos:

Remove Windows and try some other OS. Specially one that doesn't capitalize on your personal data or serve you ads ans targeted news during usage.

You have control over that; stop spreading BS lies.

[Phénomènes Mystiques]

Originally posted by Karlach Supremacy Enjoyer:

Originally posted by plat:

I wonder if it's due to your hardware not being compatible with Windows 11. Did you deploy any workarounds to get it to install on incompatible hardware?

Just wondering.

Edit: your graphics are tied to your processor which is not supported. That's what stood out to me. If you turn off Hardware Acceleration in Steam settings, what happens?

I highly doubt thats the issue. The reason why this cpu is not supported by microsoft is because it only has TPM 1.0 and 11 requires 2.0 which is a security feature and has nothing to do with hardware acceleration, as well as DX12, the intel hd only supports DX11 however, the steam client it self is not a directx application. Nor is remote play which is a H264 stream that needs hardware decoding support only, which the intel hd 3000 does support and it did work flawless on windows 10 previously, even after the steam launcher was overhauled. And the way its acting up it feels like its a software issue not hardware. I was just hoping someone else had this issue, considering many people still use old hardware on windows 11. I think Im gonna try to mess around with drivers, as I dont know what drivers got installed when windows did the upgrade.

Even "unsupported" CPU's that have internal TPM 2.0 can use and receive updates as well as security updates. Ryzen Gen 1 is "unsupported" but Win11 works just fine.

[N3tRunn3r]

Some motherboards so their TPM can even be upgraded via Firmware. So if your motherboard support TPM upgrading from 1.x to 2.0, do it ..

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Originally posted by N3tRunn3r:

Some motherboards so their TPM can even be upgraded via Firmware. So if your motherboard support TPM upgrading from 1.x to 2.0, do it ..

That often is not the case at all.
Most TPM 2.O boards come with a removable chip so either you have to buy it for the motherboard if not shipped with said motherboard or the chip can be upgraded but generally you can't upgrade TPM 1.0 to 2.0 as the chips are different and 2.0 chips hold alot more data

[Kiwi {JESUS IS LORD}]

i installed steam and win11 on multiple unsupported pcs and no issues at all