CPU Upgrade (Ryzen 3 to Ryzen 7)

[Rattman]

Hello!

The time has come to upgrade my PC for the new Half Life Alyx

My current CPU a AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Quad-Core Processor, 3100 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)

Which I know is not minimum requirement for the game its self. I have looked through so many websites, forums and videos to find out what I need to look for however I am not the most technical of people.

All I want to know is this,

Would a Ryzen 7 2700 X be a compatible upgrade? and if not what is the maximum upgrade I can go to from the Ryzen 3?

Thankyou!

[Cathulhu]

Depends on your mainboard and the power supply.
You would need a beefy videocard as well.

[Rattman]

Cathulhu eredeti hozzászólása:

Depends on your mainboard and the power supply.
You would need a beefy videocard as well.

I currently have a
AMD Radeon (TM) RX 560 which I want to upgrade to the AMD Radeon RX 5700

and my current power supply is 142W (not sure if that helps as most of it is in a different language!)

[r.linder]

Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

Cathulhu eredeti hozzászólása:

Depends on your mainboard and the power supply.
You would need a beefy videocard as well.

I currently have a
AMD Radeon (TM) RX 560 which I want to upgrade to the AMD Radeon RX 5700

and my current power supply is 142W (not sure if that helps as most of it is in a different language!)

If you have a 300 series motherboard, you'll have to update the BIOS. If you have an A320 motherboard, I'd just upgrade the board to a cheap B450 and get the hell away from A320.

142W is definitely not what the PSU is rated for.

Also, if the 3600 is cheaper, get that instead as it has better performance than the 2700X. The extra cores of the 2700X do not make it a better CPU for gaming.

[Rattman]

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Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

I currently have a
AMD Radeon (TM) RX 560 which I want to upgrade to the AMD Radeon RX 5700

and my current power supply is 142W (not sure if that helps as most of it is in a different language!)

If you have a 300 series motherboard, you'll have to update the BIOS. If you have an A320 motherboard, I'd just upgrade the board to a cheap B450 and get the hell away from A320.

142W is definitely not what the PSU is rated for.

Also, if the 3600 is cheaper, get that instead as it has better performance than the 2700X. The extra cores of the 2700X do not make it a better CPU for gaming.

Thanks for your help if this clears anything up I got the Dell inspiron 5675 ryzen 3 model and have had no upgrades since I got it!

[r.linder]

Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

If you have a 300 series motherboard, you'll have to update the BIOS. If you have an A320 motherboard, I'd just upgrade the board to a cheap B450 and get the hell away from A320.

142W is definitely not what the PSU is rated for.

Also, if the 3600 is cheaper, get that instead as it has better performance than the 2700X. The extra cores of the 2700X do not make it a better CPU for gaming.

Thanks for your help if this clears anything up I got the Dell inspiron 5675 ryzen 3 model and have had no upgrades since I got it!

Support may be limited because it's a pre-built.

Based on what documentation I can find on the unit, the chipset should be an X370, which is good. However, it appears that model only ships with a PSU capable of handling 460W.
You might have to upgrade the PSU, especially if it doesn't even have the necessary power connectors.

Also, the RAM those systems come with is only 2400 MHz, which severely limits Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series. 3000 series can work, but only if the BIOS will actually allow you to tweak the infinity fabric... but based on the fact that it's a Dell unit, it's probably an X370 motherboard manufactured by Dell, and it most likely won't have such options in BIOS. So you can either upgrade the RAM to 3000 MHz kit, or try to overclock the RAM.

[Rattman]

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Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

Thanks for your help if this clears anything up I got the Dell inspiron 5675 ryzen 3 model and have had no upgrades since I got it!

Support may be limited because it's a pre-built.

I was told at the time of buying it "it's highly upgradeable" which is why I got that one in the first place. Is this not the case?

[r.linder]

Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

Support may be limited because it's a pre-built.

I was told at the time of buying it "it's highly upgradeable" which is why I got that one in the first place. Is this not the case?

Being told something by a retailer doesn't mean it's true. Sure, they say you can upgrade it, but there's a few catches.

1. Dell, and most other companies like HP, uses proprietary components where it can, and those components often have chips installed that are programmed to ONLY work with Dell brand products. It has been known for many years that Dell brand motherboards and RAM will only work together and rarely work with other brands. They do this because they want you to buy THEIR components to upgrade.

2. Dell uses proprietary connectors for the case and motherboard, and most of their boards/cases have proprietary form factors so you can't just swap the motherboard out for a standard ATX or mATX board or put it in a standard form factor case. Similar issues can arise with PSU form factors with their cases as well.

Never believe what a retailer trying to sell these systems tell you, because they're being paid to tell you that information. Some companies give their employees rewards when they sell more products. Many employees are, frankly, idiots that have no idea what they're talking about and what they're recommending to people when you go to stores like Best Buy.
The bottom line is that if you want total control and easy upgrading, you build it all yourself with standard components not unique to pre-built systems.

[Rattman]

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Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

I was told at the time of buying it "it's highly upgradeable" which is why I got that one in the first place. Is this not the case?

Being told something by a retailer doesn't mean it's true. Sure, they say you can upgrade it, but there's a few catches.

1. Dell, and most other companies like HP, uses proprietary components where it can, and those components often have chips installed that are programmed to ONLY work with Dell brand products. It has been known for many years that Dell brand motherboards and RAM will only work together and rarely work with other brands. They do this because they want you to buy THEIR components to upgrade.

2. Dell uses proprietary connectors for the case and motherboard, and most of their boards/cases have proprietary form factors so you can't just swap the motherboard out for a standard ATX or mATX board or put it in a standard form factor case. Similar issues can arise with PSU form factors with their cases as well.

Never believe what a retailer trying to sell these systems tell you, because they're being paid to tell you that information. Some companies give their employees rewards when they sell more products. Many employees are, frankly, idiots that have no idea what they're talking about and what they're recommending to people when you go to stores like Best Buy.
The bottom line is that if you want total control and easy upgrading, you build it all yourself with standard components not unique to pre-built systems.

Ahh how annoying I didn't think of that at the time since I was alot younger!

I may just give it a go with the new CPU and hope for the best, I wouldn't understand why the new one wouldn't work if they're both ryzen?

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Replace the PSU. Get a gold certified 650w. Update the bios via the Dell support page for your system model. Then look at Ryzen 3700X and a 2070 Super or better. Or wait til the RTX 3xxx series gets here.

[r.linder]

Rattman eredeti hozzászólása:

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

Being told something by a retailer doesn't mean it's true. Sure, they say you can upgrade it, but there's a few catches.

1. Dell, and most other companies like HP, uses proprietary components where it can, and those components often have chips installed that are programmed to ONLY work with Dell brand products. It has been known for many years that Dell brand motherboards and RAM will only work together and rarely work with other brands. They do this because they want you to buy THEIR components to upgrade.

2. Dell uses proprietary connectors for the case and motherboard, and most of their boards/cases have proprietary form factors so you can't just swap the motherboard out for a standard ATX or mATX board or put it in a standard form factor case. Similar issues can arise with PSU form factors with their cases as well.

Never believe what a retailer trying to sell these systems tell you, because they're being paid to tell you that information. Some companies give their employees rewards when they sell more products. Many employees are, frankly, idiots that have no idea what they're talking about and what they're recommending to people when you go to stores like Best Buy.
The bottom line is that if you want total control and easy upgrading, you build it all yourself with standard components not unique to pre-built systems.

Ahh how annoying I didn't think of that at the time since I was alot younger!

I may just give it a go with the new CPU and hope for the best, I wouldn't understand why the new one wouldn't work if they're both ryzen?

It's a first generation motherboard, so the BIOS will have to be updated. If Dell didn't update the BIOS for 2nd gen, you're limited to using only 1000 series. As far as I can tell, it hasn't even been updated for 3000 series as the last update seems to be in 2018.

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Replace the PSU. Get a gold certified 650w. Update the bios via the Dell support page for your system model. Then look at Ryzen 3700X and a 2070 Super or better. Or wait til the RTX 3xxx series gets here.

The motherboard is a proprietary Dell X370 and the BIOS doesn't appear to have been updated since 2018. I doubt it supports 3000 series.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Just go buy a decent B450 board.
Dell probably also used 2400mhz ram, which is just dumb

[r.linder]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Just go buy a decent B450 board.
Dell probably also used 2400mhz ram, which is just dumb

They did, I checked the documentation for the Inspiron 5675. It's always 2400MHz RAM, and a PSU that can only take 460W, and the same X370 board. Though with further inspection it does appear that the form factor is mATX and the PSU is standard.

Still, there's proprietary connectors for the case, so he may as well change the case as well

[Talby]

Good read if you want to upgrade your CPU[www.dell.com]

Good read if you want to upgrade your mobo[www.dell.com]

Good read if you want to upgrade your PSU[www.dell.com]

Not familiar with that particular model, as mentioned on the dell forums it is a lot of work to make it un-proprietary - some have to dremel out the rear I/O panel, cut holes for additional cooling (side panel intakes and top exhaust) - truth be told, very fun and therapeutic for idle hands.

[L37]

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

1. Dell, and most other companies like HP, uses proprietary components where it can, and those components often have chips installed that are programmed to ONLY work with Dell brand products. It has been known for many years that Dell brand motherboards and RAM will only work together and rarely work with other brands. They do this because they want you to buy THEIR components to upgrade.

Is not entirely true.
Yes, they would like you to buy their (overpriced) upgrades, but in most cases there are no hard restrictions on using "uncertified" components. Even in servers (with which i have more experience than with prebuilts). Yes, the system will warn you about "uncertified" parts, in some cases, but it will work. Same with HP and such. The reason is, while they want you to buy their upgrades they also want you to buy the system in the first place, and allowing "uncertified" parts helps it.
For ram - i've personally plugged whole bunch of random ram into different dell/hp office prebuilts and even servers. For servers it is mostly like "HP ram in DELL server" and such. It always works. With exception of compatibility issues like when you use too large module or some such.

[Rattman]

L37 eredeti hozzászólása:

Escorve eredeti hozzászólása:

1. Dell, and most other companies like HP, uses proprietary components where it can, and those components often have chips installed that are programmed to ONLY work with Dell brand products. It has been known for many years that Dell brand motherboards and RAM will only work together and rarely work with other brands. They do this because they want you to buy THEIR components to upgrade.

Is not entirely true.
Yes, they would like you to buy their (overpriced) upgrades, but in most cases there are no hard restrictions on using "uncertified" components. Even in servers (with which i have more experience than with prebuilts). Yes, the system will warn you about "uncertified" parts, in some cases, but it will work. Same with HP and such. The reason is, while they want you to buy their upgrades they also want you to buy the system in the first place, and allowing "uncertified" parts helps it.
For ram - i've personally plugged whole bunch of random ram into different dell/hp office prebuilts and even servers. For servers it is mostly like "HP ram in DELL server" and such. It always works. With exception of compatibility issues like when you use too large module or some such.

Does this mean it should be fine buying whatever?