_galaxy 2023 年 5 月 10 日 上午 8:57
STOP recommending 16gb of RAM unless it's a budget setup
Hello fellow gamers.

I see so many builds recommending 16gb of RAM. IDEALLY, you should only recommend 16gb of RAM if we're talking about a budget PC.

The old 16gb requirement was made when games took at most 8gb of RAM and the next-gen consoles only had 8gb of RAM. The main argument was that for FUTURE-PROOFING you should get 16gb of RAM since just 8gb was enough. It also gave you enough overhead to have applications open while gaming.

Nowadays, consoles have 16gb! Games have 16gb minumum requirements! The windows operating systems are getting more heavy by the minute.

32gb is the new minimum. The steam hardware survey shows this shift. Hell we even had certain games requiring 24gb of RAM if you wanted to play 1440p.

Get 32gb of RAM (possibly 64GB if you want to play 4k) for enough overhead, future proofing, being able to run games with application open. Stop recommending 16gb of RAM!
引用自 RiO
引用自 _galaxy
The old 16gb requirement was made when games took at most 8gb of RAM and the next-gen consoles only had 8gb of RAM. The main argument was that for FUTURE-PROOFING you should get 16gb of RAM since just 8gb was enough. It also gave you enough overhead to have applications open while gaming.

Nowadays, consoles have 16gb! Games have 16gb minumum requirements!
Consoles don't have 16 GB of main RAM.
They have 16 GB of unified RAM.

The PS5 has 16 GB of GDDR6 with a peak bandwidth of 448 GB/s
This has to be distributed between use as main system RAM for general purpose computing and use as VRAM for graphics..

The XBox Series X has 16 GB of GDDR6 of which 10 clocks at 560 GB/s and is primarily meant for VRAM. And 6 clocks at 336 GB/s primarily meant as general purpose main RAM. They are however still interchangeable.

The cheaper XBox Series S has only 10 GB of GDDR6. Of which 8 GB at 224 GB/s is primarily meant for VRAM; while 2 GB at 56 GB/s is meant for main RAM.


Basically: the XBox Series S still drags the actual minimum system requirement a game engine has to be able to do its job on, down to at most 8 GB RAM. And in practice probably drag it down to little more than ~4 GB or developers wouldn't have enough VRAM available on the system for graphics.

If developers actually cared for their PC ports to make them perform equivalent to the effort that goes into the initial console-first design of their games, that's what would be reflected in the PC market as well.

Your cry to make 32 GB the norm is nothing but scare-mongering, foisting more cost on consumers, and enabling bad developers to get away with even worse optimization in resource usage.
Going to award this as it was enlightening.

I'm aware of the rough specifications of the consoles and how it impacts games going forward, but it was specifically the Xbox Series X being quite a bit below the other two and it tells me the floor is set even lower.

Though I will add my own opinion that I still think, going forward, something like an octo core, 32 GB system RAM, and 12 GB+ VRAM would be preferable. As time goes on, and maybe even now, the lower console will still probably be the floor more than the actual target (or put more simply, you'll be likely conceding performance and visuals by trying to mimic that on the PC side, and "whether it's acceptable" enough going forward is going to be subjective). 16 GB is largely fine for now but I do agree that unless you're doing a more budget build, I would go with 32 GB if buying today. It's no longer the "vast room for activities" amount it used to be. I would go with 32 GB today but see 16 GB acceptable on a budget build so I mostly agree with OP there. Recommending to buy something does not equal everyone who has less needs to replace it with that amount. We're in transitional times, so to speak.

Disclaimer: I have 64 GB RAM now, and 16 GB "started to stop" being a lot for me in the late 2010s, so this definitely skews my perspective to a point.
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Heitor Villa-Lobos 2023 年 5 月 14 日 上午 10:08 
This whole topic is right from US supremacist bubble.

If we all consumed like the US consumes, we'd need many more planets to keep up what you guys call "normal".

To most of the planet 16GB is *insane* specs.

Our average computers are under the lower specs sold at retail in the US.
We have to work many, many more hours to buy those average computers then Unitedstatians will work to buy the least powerful computer available.

If the programmer has any inclination of preserving biodiversity and life on Earth, they will abandon 16GB recommendations for 8GB recommendations.

What for the most planet is novelty, to the developed world is trash (and who there cares about where that trash is dumped, right)?

Code responsibly.
Consume responsibly.
JC 2023 年 5 月 14 日 下午 12:22 
In the future you could always add more ram.


Perhaps people should look at what they want to play then build accordingly,. I play new games and have exactly 1 that needs more than 8GB, and i have over 300 games.

People can also play brand new games at 1080p, which is what i prefer, and that reduces the amount you need by a ton.
_galaxy 2023 年 5 月 14 日 下午 12:35 
引用自 JC
In the future you could always add more ram.


Perhaps people should look at what they want to play then build accordingly,. I play new games and have exactly 1 that needs more than 8GB, and i have over 300 games.

People can also play brand new games at 1080p, which is what i prefer, and that reduces the amount you need by a ton.

I checked your steam replay. Obviously you don't need more than 16gb (most of that would be for the operating system, lol!) this post is for the average gamer
AdahnGorion 2023 年 5 月 14 日 下午 1:47 
引用自 _galaxy
Hello fellow gamers.

I see so many builds recommending 16gb of RAM. IDEALLY, you should only recommend 16gb of RAM if we're talking about a budget PC.

The old 16gb requirement was made when games took at most 8gb of RAM and the next-gen consoles only had 8gb of RAM. The main argument was that for FUTURE-PROOFING you should get 16gb of RAM since just 8gb was enough. It also gave you enough overhead to have applications open while gaming.

Nowadays, consoles have 16gb! Games have 16gb minumum requirements! The windows operating systems are getting more heavy by the minute.

32gb is the new minimum. The steam hardware survey shows this shift. Hell we even had certain games requiring 24gb of RAM if you wanted to play 1440p.

Get 32gb of RAM (possibly 64GB if you want to play 4k) for enough overhead, future proofing, being able to run games with application open. Stop recommending 16gb of RAM!

You don´t need 64gb for 4k... you might need it for some workstation situations however.
I would not recommend 16 gb for something that is medium/high end, but it can be alright for people buying a x60 card to balance their game around and if they play games that do not require much (roblox, cs, dota, whatever) and ofc 1080p


My point here is it all depends on what the user needs and expects.
It is also important that people buy some quality ram and that it is not just some high cl ones, if they want to make a high end build.
A&A 2023 年 5 月 15 日 上午 1:51 
It depends
640K ought to be enough for anybody

So today 32GB ought to be enough for anybody?
_galaxy 2023 年 5 月 15 日 上午 1:58 
引用自 A&A ✠
It depends
640K ought to be enough for anybody

So today 32GB ought to be enough for anybody?

Well not anybody, if you use Unreal Engine it's like 64gb minimum and 128gb recommended, but yeah for most people it's 32gb recommended
Tiberius 2023 年 5 月 15 日 上午 4:38 
Rofl
Lambros 2023 年 5 月 16 日 上午 10:23 
引用自 _galaxy
Hello fellow gamers.

I see so many builds recommending 16gb of RAM. IDEALLY, you should only recommend 16gb of RAM if we're talking about a budget PC.

The old 16gb requirement was made when games took at most 8gb of RAM and the next-gen consoles only had 8gb of RAM. The main argument was that for FUTURE-PROOFING you should get 16gb of RAM since just 8gb was enough. It also gave you enough overhead to have applications open while gaming.

Nowadays, consoles have 16gb! Games have 16gb minumum requirements! The windows operating systems are getting more heavy by the minute.

32gb is the new minimum. The steam hardware survey shows this shift. Hell we even had certain games requiring 24gb of RAM if you wanted to play 1440p.

Get 32gb of RAM (possibly 64GB if you want to play 4k) for enough overhead, future proofing, being able to run games with application open. Stop recommending 16gb of RAM!

Doesnt matter really, high settings also good enough as most games are badly optimized anyway.

Why play with the settings like a mini game if it looks good enough out of the box, plus you cant tell if you want to keep the game or not if you havent played any part of it before two hours are up.

Sure if there is a value for money propostion yah 32gb ram isnt bad and more future proof, but there isnt and there wont be for a long time.

Sure the buttery smooth eye candy version is the best but that could be an extra 2k dinero per pc especially if its a laptop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JBN8GvU1to
GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ 2023 年 5 月 16 日 上午 10:34 
引用自 Heitor Villa-Lobos
This whole topic is right from US supremacist bubble.

If we all consumed like the US consumes, we'd need many more planets to keep up what you guys call "normal".

To most of the planet 16GB is *insane* specs.

Our average computers are under the lower specs sold at retail in the US.
We have to work many, many more hours to buy those average computers then Unitedstatians will work to buy the least powerful computer available.

If the programmer has any inclination of preserving biodiversity and life on Earth, they will abandon 16GB recommendations for 8GB recommendations.

What for the most planet is novelty, to the developed world is trash (and who there cares about where that trash is dumped, right)?

Code responsibly.
Consume responsibly.
Well, I've seen a homeless person with a fancy smart phone in one hand and the other hand open, asking for money all while scrolling like a boss right in front of a Help Wanted sign.
🦜Cloud Boy🦜 2023 年 5 月 16 日 上午 11:14 
It's not fair to compare PC hardware to Consoles when it comes to running games. Console games are optimized for the specific hardware and Console games don't have to run through complex OS like Windows/ Linux, and their various restrictions within.

PS3 had only 512 MB of combined memory for the whole system, and a GPU weaker than GTX 1050, it ran Crysis 3 just fine. For PC, you need many times more powerful PC for that.

16 GB Ram is still fine for PC, I have seen only few recent 2023 games that exceed 16gb like the Hogwarts Legacy. Besides, RAM is something that can be upgraded anytime, so no big deal.
_galaxy 2023 年 5 月 16 日 上午 11:55 
引用自 🦜Cloud Boy🦜
It's not fair to compare PC hardware to Consoles when it comes to running games. Console games are optimized for the specific hardware and Console games don't have to run through complex OS like Windows/ Linux, and their various restrictions within.

PS3 had only 512 MB of combined memory for the whole system, and a GPU weaker than GTX 1050, it ran Crysis 3 just fine. For PC, you need many times more powerful PC for that.

16 GB Ram is still fine for PC, I have seen only few recent 2023 games that exceed 16gb like the Hogwarts Legacy. Besides, RAM is something that can be upgraded anytime, so no big deal.

"It ran crysis 3 just fine" you mean the heavily downgraded console version that also required the developers to downgrade the overall game which affected PC users graphical options as well?
kingjames488 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 12:25 
I'd say the casual user is still fine with 16gb...

I can still manage with 16gb running a game, having the browser open, and sometimes running something else depending on the game... tho it does take some memory management and I'm running older windows.

but really, most people upgrade their PC like they buy new I-phones so for most people the extra cost of future proofing their build is irrelevant... and while it can be a good idea we can clearly see from the current situation of steam ending support for windows 7 and windows 11 literally requiring a new MOBO to work I'm wondering if it was even worth it for my to have built my system to last over a decade...
🦜Cloud Boy🦜 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 12:44 
引用自 _galaxy
引用自 🦜Cloud Boy🦜
It's not fair to compare PC hardware to Consoles when it comes to running games. Console games are optimized for the specific hardware and Console games don't have to run through complex OS like Windows/ Linux, and their various restrictions within.

PS3 had only 512 MB of combined memory for the whole system, and a GPU weaker than GTX 1050, it ran Crysis 3 just fine. For PC, you need many times more powerful PC for that.

16 GB Ram is still fine for PC, I have seen only few recent 2023 games that exceed 16gb like the Hogwarts Legacy. Besides, RAM is something that can be upgraded anytime, so no big deal.

"It ran crysis 3 just fine" you mean the heavily downgraded console version that also required the developers to downgrade the overall game which affected PC users graphical options as well?


Yes, the graphics is downgraded in Console compared to PC, but it's normal for any games.

Below is a comparison between Console vs PC version graphics, console version still looks fine.
For 512 MB of Ram, no PC can even launch the game, even on the LOWEST settings.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUbTuGJgM-A
kingjames488 2023 年 5 月 16 日 下午 12:49 
is crysis 3 really still the benchmark for gaming performance?

you can just look at that and see how they've been more than able to create games more stunning for years... in fact the only thing holding games back from looking like movies is the processing power where movies take hours to render a single frame and games require the power to render at least 60 frames per second (generally).

do you know why this is?

because game devs want to sell copies of their game, so they only make it require as much power as the current generation of consoles... unless it's been funded by the struggling GPU industry before bitmining to sell high-end GPUs.

crysis was never a game, it was a marketing tool XD
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