Recommended RAM upgrade?

[Grilled Salmon]

With my current build, I was thinking of upgrading to 64 gigs of RAM (because Cities Skylines is a RAM hogging ♥♥♥♥♥), and I know my RAM is both very slow and very outdated (DRAM speed of 1500 and DDR4). I was wondering what a good upgrade of RAM would be while still getting 64 gigs? I'm not looking to upgrade my motherboard unless I have to.


My Build:

[Case]
Cooler Master MasterCase H500 ARGB Airflow ATX Mid-Tower with Mesh & Transparent Front Panel Option, Dual 200mm ARGB Fans, Tempered Glass & ARGB Lighting System
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07DRVHBWK/ref=cm_sw_r_fm_api_i_zCieFb7FQNWNW?fbclid=IwAR0sH6VZmKkqhLMcd4fr91wTmvzhae0S1PWLK8FZsb7kNiAi67jo0O0SPn4
[Power]
Apevia ATX-SN900W Signature 900W 80+ Bronze Certified Active PFC ATX Modular Gaming Power Supply
https://www.amazon.com/Apevia-ATX-SN900-Signature-Certified-Semi-Modular/dp/B08HPS7NRZ
[Cooler]
Dark Rock Pro 4
https://www.amazon.com/quiet-Dark-Rock-BK022-Cooler/dp/B07BY6F8D9/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2Z1HQDI2IQ3IP&dchild=1&keywords=dark+rock+pro+4&qid=1613781403&s=electronics&sprefix=dark+ro%2Celectronics%2C187&sr=1-1

Specs by CPU-Z: https://valid.x86.fr/p0gwna

[x]

Your ram is 3000mhz not 1500. Its DDR (double data rate) so its actually 3000

It would make sense to just buy 2 more sticks of IDENTICAL ram to bump up to 32GB. You dont need 64 for city skylines and youre probably held back by your slow cpu tbh.

Something to bare in mind is all the new generation stuff is DDR5 generally aside from the intel 12/13th gen also supporting DDR4. Might as well get DDR5 ram with a new system build and gain huge performance then just spending money on (outdated) ddr4 ram to add to an outdated system. Just food for thought.

EDIT - Having looked at the rest of your system Im guessing a new generation upgrade is probably far out of budget. I recommend just getting another 16GB (2x8) of IDENTICAL ram to yours and possibly upgrade to a SSD for faster loading time since you run two harddrives

[Grilled Salmon]

average cs enjoyer eredeti hozzászólása:

Your ram is 3000mhz not 1500. Its DDR (double data rate) so its actually 3000

It would make sense to just buy 2 more sticks of IDENTICAL ram to bump up to 32GB. You dont need 64 for city skylines and youre probably held back by your slow cpu tbh.

Something to bare in mind is all the new generation stuff is DDR5 generally aside from the intel 12/13th gen also supporting DDR4. Might as well get DDR5 ram with a new system build and gain huge performance then just spending money on (outdated) ddr4 ram to add to an outdated system. Just food for thought.

EDIT - Having looked at the rest of your system Im guessing a new generation upgrade is probably far out of budget. I recommend just getting another 16GB (2x8) of IDENTICAL ram to yours and possibly upgrade to a SSD for faster loading time since you run two harddrives

Oh yeah, I'm not rolling in money atm. I was hoping to have money for better parts (Ryzen 7 7800x, 7900XTX) but I don't have the money at the moment. I'm looking at either getting an identical RAM (which I'm not even sure what the model is tbh),

or switching to these over the next little bit:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BLB3LDLJ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?smid=A1UVTGP6WV0D1P&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09RX4N6JZ/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

As far as I know, the parts in the two links I just posted should be decent upgrades comparatively to my i7-7700k, motherboard, and 16 GB of RAM. But I'm not even sure those would work, I'm so tired of not knowing what I would need or what would even work.

[x]

that TUF motherboard is definitely more higher end than youd need. Thats like a £300 motherboard. Ram seems ok though but I dont think you need 64GB of ram. 32 is more than enough get 16X2 so if you really desperately need more ram then you can get another pair

[Bad 💀 Motha]

32GB is enough unless you're maybe doing alot of multitasking while running a game like Cities Skylines. That game is not exactly a memory hog to a point of having memory leaks like some games. That game just likes to eat up whatever RAM is available, which really is what a demanding game should do. The game still runs fine even for those who only have 16GB of RAM though. It can however run even better when you allow the game to use upwards of 20-30GB of RAM which it can. Especially after you've grown your in-game build quite a bit.

[Grilled Salmon]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

32GB is enough unless you're maybe doing alot of multitasking while running a game like Cities Skylines. That game is not exactly a memory hog to a point of having memory leaks like some games. That game just likes to eat up whatever RAM is available, which really is what a demanding game should do. The game still runs fine even for those who only have 16GB of RAM though. It can however run even better when you allow the game to use upwards of 20-30GB of RAM which it can. Especially after you've grown your in-game build quite a bit.

I'm a collector of Paradox Games DLC, and have everything available in the game at the moment, and for some reason loading takes two billion years, which is in part why I wanted to extend my RAM.

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[Raoul]

Seems Skylines did get an update for multicore support at some point but I'm not sure how well optimised it is for utilising it much past what a 7700K can already do but say you wanted to upgrade your ram anyway with a path for further upgrades you could pick up a kit to carry over like this:

Spend $150-$200 on a 64GB 3600mhz C18 kit, there are some cheaper kits but this one is a decent kit and would look nice in your cooler master H500: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Memory/VENGEANCE-RGB-RT-Black/p/CMN64GX4M4Z3600C18

And as you say soon after you could go with an AMD CPU and Mobo:
AMD 5800X3D $325 with Asus ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING WIFI $185
pcpartpicker link: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ymy4rD

Or an Intel 13600K $320 with a B660/B760/Z690/Z790 motherboard.

I added a nvme SSD drive for your OS and a better PSU as your current one is really not a good one at all for your consideration the Super Flower Leadex for $120 sale on right now is a really good one to pick up. Pcpartpicker makes it easier to narrow down compatibility so it's a very useful site to use for this kind of thing and play around with different parts so try it out.

[PopinFRESH]

Freqsync eredeti hozzászólása:

CPU lanes each core gets equal amount of ram 8 core into 64 gigabytes of ram gives each 8 Gigabytes to work with

CPU lanes used up 1 per slot of ram

GPU lanes used up x1 x4 x8 x16 per slot

M.2, SATA, USB lanes used 1 slot

Bottle

1920x1080 3.5 Gigabytes of data is being received a second at 144fps for that 144hz screen

64 Gigabytes might be overkill 32 is just cutting it if you want to run antialiasing and all the other things.


Jist of it all math it out or price just makes more sense.

If you find bottle to be able to be bent by having more whose to say otherwise.

This is not how RAM works at all nor does RAM use PCIe lanes. I have no idea what you're trying to say with the last part here either, but you have a completely flawed understanding of how a computer works.

[_I_]

^ this

cores are not directly attached to lanes

lanes are used to communicate to devices
ram does not use lanes, ram talks to the cpus imc (integrated memory controller)

and the cpu does not update to the display directly, thats done on the gpu, or igpu, which has its own buffer and components to handle it, not using any pci-e lanes

pci-e lanes can be divided and shared among all devices, a cpu with 16 lanes, can use all 16 to the gpu, and share a few to the nvme drives, and sb (sb is used for usb, audio, sata, lan etc..) all at the same time

[76561198343548661]

8GB minimum , 16GB recommended , you have 16GB . 3000MHz in dual channel is OK . The culprit cannot be the memory - neither the speed nor the amount . Do you have ssd or hdd ?

[Illusion of Progress]

Rather than telling you what you do or don't need, which I find presumptuous, let's figure it out for sure.

Sobek eredeti hozzászólása:

I'm a collector of Paradox Games DLC, and have everything available in the game at the moment, and for some reason loading takes two billion years, which is in part why I wanted to extend my RAM.

Long loading may or may not be the RAM. it might be the CPU. The Sims 3 was like this way back when; as content got added (be it expansion packs, stuff packs, or just third party content like mods), and as your save file grew, the loading would increase. And no, it really didn't matter if you had an SSD either. I even tried the game on a RAM disk. It was the CPU.

Another possibility is it is RAM and you're heavily dipping into the paging file.

You need to monitor this. Start this game. Have Task Manager open in the background. Use something that lets you monitor things (like MSI Afterburner) while the game is up too. During the loading screen, keep an eye on CPU. After it has loaded, switch to Task Manager and check the memory tab. Look at your "in use" value, but the "committed" value might be worth mentioning too to give some further insight.

My guess? based on the game and your description of how invested into the content you are, it's possible your 16 GB isn't enough all the time and you would benefit from a RAM upgrade. But given how aged the platform you are on is, investing into 64 GB probably wouldn't be a good way to spend money unless you know you need as much.

Like if you find out the CPU can load what's taking 2 minutes in 20 seconds instead, but it's only taking 2 minutes because it's dipping closer to 32 GB into page file... then yeah, since you're upgrading, may as well go to 64 GB.

But if it's taking that long to load because it is just reliant on the CPU anyway and you're only borderline on the RAM, then upgrade but only to 32 GB.

Edit: Oh, I thought you had an SSD. I would honestly get one of those too, regardless of this situation. Though it would be better to find this current situation out first. Because if you stay with your current platform, I think you'll be limited to SATA, but if you switch platforms, M2/NVMe will be more attractive (faster, smaller footprint and less cables, but also slightly better price/capacity/performance ratio on them right now).

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smallcat eredeti hozzászólása:

8GB minimum , 16GB recommended , you have 16GB . 3000MHz in dual channel is OK . The culprit cannot be the memory - neither the speed nor the amount . Do you have ssd or hdd ?

the game needs 16g to run, 24-32+ to run smooth, its a ram hog with memory leaks

[76561198343548661]

He should check this by Task Manager or Resource Monitor but 99% is not the memery speed

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[Bad 💀 Motha]

You'd most likely need an 8th Gen or newer i7 for that multi core performance to be seen. As the performance of 7th Gen wasn't even all that great and barely any better then 6th Gen or even 4th Gen