Exploding CPU's

[Guydodge]

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I have been using asus and amd for 14 years and not a single problem.

[_I_]

SnakeFist původně napsal:

I have been using asus and amd for 14 years and not a single problem.

good for you, but this is a new problem with the 7xxxX3D cpus in new boards

[emoticorpse]

Guydodge původně napsal:

.."AMD"they are dodging a recall.

This is a good way to put it.

[hypercybermegatron]

Guydodge původně napsal:

hypercybermegatron původně napsal:

ASUS is clearly in the wrong but there seems to be a lot of problems with AM5 that have affected MSI and Gigabyte boards too.

this is correct why everyone is pointing the finger at the M.B.mfg?its ultimately on AMD.
if you keep or buy this chip regardless of the M.B well then its on you.its faulty and putting a
1.3volt cap on it should tell you all you need to know.yes asus made a bad move in its bios
release and statement but now its on you the consumer to put the real culprit on notice.."AMD"they are dodging a recall.

That's right. I don't think we can ignore the role YouTube tech reviewers play in the state of affairs for PC building.

I enjoy watching Gamers Nexus the most, but if I'm being honest none of them can be trusted. They're successfully massaging the YouTube outrage algorithm and Jaysz 2 cents always late to the party does a song and dance about how he's cutting ties with ASUS like he's a morally superior messiah of the PC master race. The issue is having ties with these companies in the first place and receiving free products and no doubt other enticements. His relationship with ASUS may have soured now, but what kind of influence did they have over his content before this fiasco? He in particular always tries to have it both ways, crying about PC parts prices but will still go out and buy the products and do builds anyway, absolutely having no positive impact on the situation.

[emoticorpse]

hypercybermegatron původně napsal:

Guydodge původně napsal:

this is correct why everyone is pointing the finger at the M.B.mfg?its ultimately on AMD.
if you keep or buy this chip regardless of the M.B well then its on you.its faulty and putting a
1.3volt cap on it should tell you all you need to know.yes asus made a bad move in its bios
release and statement but now its on you the consumer to put the real culprit on notice.."AMD"they are dodging a recall.

That's right. I don't think we can ignore the role YouTube tech reviewers play in the state of affairs for PC building.

I enjoy watching Gamers Nexus the most, but if I'm being honest none of them can be trusted. They're successfully massaging the YouTube outrage algorithm and Jaysz 2 cents always late to the party does a song and dance about how he's cutting ties with ASUS like he's a morally superior messiah of the PC master race. The issue is having ties with these companies and receiving free products and no doubt other enticements. His relationship with ASUS may have soured now, but what kind of influence did they have over his content before this fiasco? He in particular always tries to have it both ways, crying about PC parts prices but will still go out and buy the products and do builds anyway, absolutely having no positive impact on the situation.

I asked a question on here and one guy earlier responded "Thanks to the latest video from Gamers Nexus."

I mean, I'm fine with someone taking a video for what it's worth. But, with a response like that, I get the impression they were told what to think and isn't actually thinking.

The entire point of a forum is for someone to take in and put out an extremely customized combination of words to form a response perfectly relevant to the context that the thread is about.
But he didn't do it. Almost like "my opinion is in this guy's video if you want it". A person's credibility is destroyed to me, and I stop engaging because I'm not discussing with them, I'm discussing with the guy they linked to except he's not around to directly interact with so it's not possible to get a real response.

I feel like a lot of people watch a video then immediately (like snap of a finger blink of an eye fast) form an opinion without bothering to even think about "what if this guy is missing something?".

Me asking a crapload of questions and not trusting anything is like a checks and balances system. If only one of my questions leads me to think he's wrong then I have to think he's wrong and further questioning will lead me to learn whether I'm right or wrong and how. If I ask fifty questions and I still think he's right, then damn. I now fully agree and I've asked/answered those questions on my own and I can explain how on my own with a real understanding. Not a fake understanding but hiding behind it with a link to a video.

I almost always disagree in one way or another which I feel might make look like a true contrarian, when I'm really just asking questions I always have. And if I agree with a video, I still wouldn't link to it. Why would I make someone watch a fifteen minute long video to get a point I could just easily post in a one minute read?.

This is why I think those channels do more harm than good, but truth is I think a good chunk of their viewers are youngsters (in age or mind or a combination of both) and they wouldn't be any better off anyways meanwhile the more mature independent thinkers know how to take it in.

[AmaiAmai]

_I_ původně napsal:

not just a problem with asus boards, its all of them
but asus was the biggest offender with the worst fix and changing their rma and warranty on their products

the normal tolerance for electronics is 10%, which could have been what asus was going by, when amd said the max voltage was 1.3, and asus letting it go upto +10% at 1.43v which would kill it

amd should have told them the correct spec, and the board makers should have followed it more closely

My MSI board is not having any issue, then again I don't leave the "default" auto OC modes on.

Really, no board should come overclocked out of the box pushing 1.4V on CPUs that otherwise use 1.0-1.2 .

Auto OC on any board, any CPU, any brand is trash IMO and always has been. But board makers these days force it on by default for some strange reason.

[Trollhammer]

emoticorpse původně napsal:

hypercybermegatron původně napsal:

That's right. I don't think we can ignore the role YouTube tech reviewers play in the state of affairs for PC building.

I enjoy watching Gamers Nexus the most, but if I'm being honest none of them can be trusted. They're successfully massaging the YouTube outrage algorithm and Jaysz 2 cents always late to the party does a song and dance about how he's cutting ties with ASUS like he's a morally superior messiah of the PC master race. The issue is having ties with these companies and receiving free products and no doubt other enticements. His relationship with ASUS may have soured now, but what kind of influence did they have over his content before this fiasco? He in particular always tries to have it both ways, crying about PC parts prices but will still go out and buy the products and do builds anyway, absolutely having no positive impact on the situation.

I asked a question on here and one guy earlier responded "Thanks to the latest video from Gamers Nexus."

I mean, I'm fine with someone taking a video for what it's worth. But, with a response like that, I get the impression they were told what to think and isn't actually thinking.

The entire point of a forum is for someone to take in and put out an extremely customized combination of words to form a response perfectly relevant to the context that the thread is about.
But he didn't do it. Almost like "my opinion is in this guy's video if you want it". A person's credibility is destroyed to me, and I stop engaging because I'm not discussing with them, I'm discussing with the guy they linked to except he's not around to directly interact with so it's not possible to get a real response.

I feel like a lot of people watch a video then immediately (like snap of a finger blink of an eye fast) form an opinion without bothering to even think about "what if this guy is missing something?".

Me asking a crapload of questions and not trusting anything is like a checks and balances system. If only one of my questions leads me to think he's wrong then I have to think he's wrong and further questioning will lead me to learn whether I'm right or wrong and how. If I ask fifty questions and I still think he's right, then damn. I now fully agree and I've asked/answered those questions on my own and I can explain how on my own with a real understanding. Not a fake understanding but hiding behind it with a link to a video.

I almost always disagree in one way or another which I feel might make look like a true contrarian, when I'm really just asking questions I always have. And if I agree with a video, I still wouldn't link to it. Why would I make someone watch a fifteen minute long video to get a point I could just easily post in a one minute read?.

This is why I think those channels do more harm than good, but truth is I think a good chunk of their viewers are youngsters (in age or mind or a combination of both) and they wouldn't be any better off anyways meanwhile the more mature independent thinkers know how to take it in.

GN team did an extensive testing of the issue, that's facts not opinion, not easy clickbait like Linus or Jay whatever.

And we're really far from a "one minute read" because it's a complex and multifaced issue. But if you think you know better as you're a "mature independent thinker" go on and enlightened us with your knowledge.

[emoticorpse]

Trollhammer původně napsal:

emoticorpse původně napsal:

I asked a question on here and one guy earlier responded "Thanks to the latest video from Gamers Nexus."

I mean, I'm fine with someone taking a video for what it's worth. But, with a response like that, I get the impression they were told what to think and isn't actually thinking.

The entire point of a forum is for someone to take in and put out an extremely customized combination of words to form a response perfectly relevant to the context that the thread is about.
But he didn't do it. Almost like "my opinion is in this guy's video if you want it". A person's credibility is destroyed to me, and I stop engaging because I'm not discussing with them, I'm discussing with the guy they linked to except he's not around to directly interact with so it's not possible to get a real response.

I feel like a lot of people watch a video then immediately (like snap of a finger blink of an eye fast) form an opinion without bothering to even think about "what if this guy is missing something?".

Me asking a crapload of questions and not trusting anything is like a checks and balances system. If only one of my questions leads me to think he's wrong then I have to think he's wrong and further questioning will lead me to learn whether I'm right or wrong and how. If I ask fifty questions and I still think he's right, then damn. I now fully agree and I've asked/answered those questions on my own and I can explain how on my own with a real understanding. Not a fake understanding but hiding behind it with a link to a video.

I almost always disagree in one way or another which I feel might make look like a true contrarian, when I'm really just asking questions I always have. And if I agree with a video, I still wouldn't link to it. Why would I make someone watch a fifteen minute long video to get a point I could just easily post in a one minute read?.

This is why I think those channels do more harm than good, but truth is I think a good chunk of their viewers are youngsters (in age or mind or a combination of both) and they wouldn't be any better off anyways meanwhile the more mature independent thinkers know how to take it in.

GN team did an extensive testing of the issue, that's facts not opinion, not easy clickbait like Linus or Jay whatever.

And we're really far from a "one minute read" because it's a complex and multifaced issue. But if you think you know better as you're a "mature independent thinker" go on and enlightened us with your knowledge.

https://youtu.be/t-f4sFiZ7jQ?t=29

32 to 39 second mark is the important piece of video here

[Trollhammer]

emoticorpse původně napsal:

Trollhammer původně napsal:

GN team did an extensive testing of the issue, that's facts not opinion, not easy clickbait like Linus or Jay whatever.

And we're really far from a "one minute read" because it's a complex and multifaced issue. But if you think you know better as you're a "mature independent thinker" go on and enlightened us with your knowledge.

https://youtu.be/t-f4sFiZ7jQ?t=29

32 to 39 second mark is the important piece of video here

You surely showed your maturity here...

[emoticorpse]

Trollhammer původně napsal:

emoticorpse původně napsal:

https://youtu.be/t-f4sFiZ7jQ?t=29

32 to 39 second mark is the important piece of video here

You surely showed your maturity here...

I saw this response coming. Sorry you didn't get the point. Too easy to take a goofball comedy laughfest and imply it's immature and therefore devoid of meaning and inappropriate for an ultra productive gaming platform discussion. No big deal though.

In before "I didn't imply anything, I just said you showed your maturity here".

[Trollhammer]

emoticorpse původně napsal:

Trollhammer původně napsal:

You surely showed your maturity here...

I saw this response coming. Sorry you didn't get the point. Too easy to take a goofball comedy laughfest and imply it's immature and therefore devoid of meaning and inappropriate for an ultra productive gaming platform discussion. No big deal though.

In before "I didn't imply anything, I just said you showed your maturity here".

Oh I get your point, you just think you're smarter than you are.
You think GN's video is missing the point but by your own admission you didn't even watched it.

So again, if you know better prove it.

[emoticorpse]

Trollhammer původně napsal:

...Oh I get your point, you just think you're smarter than you are.

For the record I'll agree. I'm not even trying to be a smart alec. The truth is the truth. I think I am smart sometimes and smarter than the rest to a degree which sucks and I try to humble myself but what can I do about it?. And to be fair is that even worth calling out? A lot of people here pretty sure think they're smarter than they are. I guess if you want we can continue going on about what I think about my intelligence level. I know i'm dumb a lot of times, but even stupid people have smart thing to say sometimes.

Besides, whether something is true or not should not lose or gain any credibility depending on who it came from. But you decided to skip talking about my point "even though you got it", and begin a discussion on how I percieve my own intelligence level. We have enough of that to go around.

And JUST IN CASE you think you lost my credibility by disregarding your post where you said "Thanks to the latest video from Gamers Nexus." or something to that effect. There was nothing to disagree or agree with on my part. You basically just said that apparently you are appreciative of the video uploaded by GN. That isn't even debatable. That's an/your opinion as far as I can tell. Who am I to call out how you feel about something. That's as real as you want it to be.

But in hindsight, now that we are where we are I would say my instincts were correct in not wanting further discussion with you (I know I'm doing it anyways, but I am extremely bored right now).

Trollhammer původně napsal:

You think GN's video is missing the point but by your own admission you didn't even watched it.

When did I say I didn't watch it? I started watching one of these GN videos (forgot which one). But at this point I'm not about to sit here all afternoon/night (yes I'm exaggerating) watching this guy's channel so I can get the stuff some people here are trying to communicate.

I probably didn't watch it though (point is I don't think I stated that), and why would I even make this big a deal of people posting tl;dr videos that I don't want to watch if I watched it?.

Trollhammer původně napsal:

So again, if you know better prove it.

You want me to prove it to you even though you can't take the effort to break it down to me? Funny. I'll just refer you to someone elses' video or post with my opinion on it.

Besides, I already stated that I don't know much about all this deep hardware overvolting/overclocking stuff and it's terminology included which may explain WHY exactly I need it broken down. I never implied I know better. I do have questions and am trying to figure things out, but that's why I'm seeking people who do know and have a genuine understanding to simplify for people who don't know much. But that isn't you apparently, however you can answer all my questions and end this thread with a link to GN. Thanks man. I'll go read the full EULA next time I have a simple question about it.

In Before another two sentence post about something we're not talking about.

[hypercybermegatron]

_I_ původně napsal:

not just a problem with asus boards, its all of them
but asus was the biggest offender with the worst fix and changing their rma and warranty on their products

the normal tolerance for electronics is 10%, which could have been what asus was going by, when amd said the max voltage was 1.3, and asus letting it go upto +10% at 1.43v which would kill it

amd should have told them the correct spec, and the board makers should have followed it more closely

I put a Pentium MMX 166Mhz CPU (2.8V) in non MMX motherboard (3.3V), effectively over-voltaging CPU by > 15%. BIOS reported correct speed after setting jumper and even Direct X diag reported MMX instruction set. Funny thing is, this machine still lives on. They don't make them like they used to

[JohnMars78]

hypercybermegatron původně napsal:

_I_ původně napsal:

not just a problem with asus boards, its all of them
but asus was the biggest offender with the worst fix and changing their rma and warranty on their products

the normal tolerance for electronics is 10%, which could have been what asus was going by, when amd said the max voltage was 1.3, and asus letting it go upto +10% at 1.43v which would kill it

amd should have told them the correct spec, and the board makers should have followed it more closely

I put a Pentium MMX 166Mhz CPU (2.8V) in non MXX motherboard (3.3V), effectively over-voltaging CPU by > 15%. BIOS reported correct speed after setting jumper and even Direct X diag reported MMX instruction set. Funny thing is, this machine still lives on. They don't make them like they used to :Wheeljack:

The 3.3V falls well within specs for that CPU, though, and those percentages are irrelevant.
There's a significant difference between a modern CPU and the one in your example and it's not about build quality.

[Crashed]

Nothing like a BIOS mistake pumping excessive voltage into a CPU until it pops.