For those on AM5, keep an eye out for BIOS updates in the coming days, and do them

[Illusion of Progress]

I don't often do disclaimer type stuff, but I felt this one might be worthwhile if it saves a CPU or spreads awareness. I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone here in the last few days, but I presume a few may be aware of it anyway. Some may not be.

There have been some reports on AM5 CPUs, at least the 7800X3D, developing problems with the bottom of the CPU visibly bulging and the motherboard also having damage (discoloration or burn marks).

While it's thus far been a small number of people, apparently the problem has been considered a risk for all Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, namely when using Expo (in short, memory overclocking, like DOCP/XMP). The SoC voltage is getting high and I guess that's part of what's causing the issues, so the fix is to limit this voltage, which the upcoming BIOS updates will do. So the good news is a fix is coming for a problem that has been identified.

If you're on AM5, I would heavily recommend keeping an eye on your board manufacturer's website for your particular motherboard, and wait for the BIOS update, and then apply it. I would do this whether you've been having issues or not.

And I, personally, would probably remove the CPU from the board and inspect both the CPU and motherboard socket for damage too, especially if you have a 7800X3D, 7900X3D, or 7950X3D, or if you've been using Expo (or otherwise overclocking the memory and thus SoC), or PBO or adjusting voltages from default. I'd probably even check it regardless if I wasn't doing any of those things and just had a regular Ryzen 7000 series CPU just to be sure.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issues-follow-up-statement-on-ryzen-burnout-issues-limits-soc-voltages

In the meantime, you may also want to keep an eye on your SoC voltages, and if they go above ~1.3V is when problems can supposedly occur. I don't have a Ryzen 7000 series, but this is the voltage to keep an eye on. If you see it at or going above 1.3V commonly (mine mostly stays static but I'm not sure if it moves on Ryzen 7000), then it's probably not good and I'd double recommend physically inspecting for damage.

https://i.imgur.com/eqYbb4G.png

Use Libre Hardware Monitor, Ryzen Master, HwInfo64, or possibly others if you already have them on hand to check the SoC voltage.

[The Presence]

I was going to go with a 7800X3D but I'm in no hurry to potentitally flush my money down the toilet.

As this point I'm tempted to just go with Intel or previous gen.

[r.linder]

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GIgabyte has issues as well

It got reviewed as S Tier. Whats the issues around Gigabyte right now?

They were having issues with X3D chips as well, not as bad as the others since their voltages are the most accurate to AMD specifications between them, MSI, and ASUS.

But as someone with personal experiences with their motherboards and video cards, I have a personal bias against Gigabyte as well because I had constant issues with their garbage firmware on the X470 GAMING 7, their best X470 board, after upgrading to a 3900X and keeping the BIOS up to date. You can't rollback to older BIOS that don't have issues because the motherboard refuses to flash an older version as GB coded it that way, and their BIOS was so poorly put together that there's multiples of the same setting all over the place that don't change each other. Their lower end boards like the B450M-DS3H also have what I could describe as the classic BIOS just in their branded wrapper, extremely basic with no useful functionality.

MSI is basically the only really good board maker these days, ASUS is straight up bad and Gigabyte is just mediocre.

[Rod]

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It got reviewed as S Tier. Whats the issues around Gigabyte right now?

They were having issues with X3D chips as well, not as bad as the others since their voltages are the most accurate to AMD specifications between them, MSI, and ASUS.

But as someone with personal experiences with their motherboards and video cards, I have a personal bias against Gigabyte as well because I had constant issues with their garbage firmware on the X470 GAMING 7, their best X470 board, after upgrading to a 3900X and keeping the BIOS up to date. You can't rollback to older BIOS that don't have issues because the motherboard refuses to flash an older version as GB coded it that way, and their BIOS was so poorly put together that there's multiples of the same setting all over the place that don't change each other. Their lower end boards like the B450M-DS3H also have what I could describe as the classic BIOS just in their branded wrapper, extremely basic with no useful functionality.

MSI is basically the only really good board maker these days, ASUS is straight up bad and Gigabyte is just mediocre.

Ah but then MSI were hacked and thier certificates stolen. So all in all no ones 100% here. My mobo shortlist now is down to 3 boards...


Gigabyte B650e Aorus Master
MSI B650e Tomahawk
ASUS B650e e Strix

:s

[r.linder]

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They were having issues with X3D chips as well, not as bad as the others since their voltages are the most accurate to AMD specifications between them, MSI, and ASUS.

But as someone with personal experiences with their motherboards and video cards, I have a personal bias against Gigabyte as well because I had constant issues with their garbage firmware on the X470 GAMING 7, their best X470 board, after upgrading to a 3900X and keeping the BIOS up to date. You can't rollback to older BIOS that don't have issues because the motherboard refuses to flash an older version as GB coded it that way, and their BIOS was so poorly put together that there's multiples of the same setting all over the place that don't change each other. Their lower end boards like the B450M-DS3H also have what I could describe as the classic BIOS just in their branded wrapper, extremely basic with no useful functionality.

MSI is basically the only really good board maker these days, ASUS is straight up bad and Gigabyte is just mediocre.

Ah but then MSI were hacked and thier certificates stolen. So all in all no ones 100% here. My mobo shortlist now is down to 3 boards...


Gigabyte B650e Aorus Master
MSI B650e Tomahawk
ASUS B650e e Strix

:s

Considering that ASUS is the most dangerous to use right now, I would suggest the Tomahawk for the nicer BIOS, but the AORUS could be quite beastly itself

[Rod]

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Ah but then MSI were hacked and thier certificates stolen. So all in all no ones 100% here. My mobo shortlist now is down to 3 boards...


Gigabyte B650e Aorus Master
MSI B650e Tomahawk
ASUS B650e e Strix

:s

Considering that ASUS is the most dangerous to use right now, I would suggest the Tomahawk for the nicer BIOS, but the AORUS could be quite beastly itself

Aorus is same price as the 7800x3d. Plus now they say EXPO is an overclock. Had intel not went chiplet and furnace like power comsumption i would never of went AMD.

[r.linder]

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Considering that ASUS is the most dangerous to use right now, I would suggest the Tomahawk for the nicer BIOS, but the AORUS could be quite beastly itself

Aorus is same price as the 7800x3d. Plus now they say EXPO is an overclock. Had intel not went chiplet and furnace like power comsumption i would never of went AMD.

XMP is an overclock too according to Intel though. EXPO is just AMD's new version that guarantees compatibility for Ryzen.

[emoticorpse]

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Its stealing cpu cycles as well you just gave another reason to not use it.

Anything and everything that processes uses resources.

Interrupting my focus just to show a CMD window with no way to stop it is what bothers me. What confuses me is i would have figured there was a way AMD could do that part "silently". Why steam focus with a CMD prompts that has no information that the user has to manually close? It's silly.

You check your startup/services for that? Sounds like it can be disabled somewhere maybe even from within Ryzen Master like a "check for updates" setting can be toggled on/off?

[Illusion of Progress]

It's not a startup thing, though there is an entry in task scheduler. It's set to run every 15 days, which is what it defaults to for the program. There's way to disable the check (unless setting "0" does this and I don't know), just to set the amount of days between checks.

I'm not sure why it can't check for updates at application startup only, or apply them automatically when it goes to start.

I don't care that it checks. I care that it generates a blank CMD window that steals focus/minimizes active applications every time it occurs.

I originally used it because I was finding other stuff was reporting what felt to be wrong CPU temperatures, but now I get consistent results between it and other hardware monitoring applications, so I don't find it necessary. not bad (the one behavior I'm describing in particular aside), just not necessary. So I'm just going to avoid it that way.

[emoticorpse]

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It's not a startup thing, though there is an entry in task scheduler. It's set to run every 15 days, which is what it defaults to for the program. There's way to disable the check (unless setting "0" does this and I don't know), just to set the amount of days between checks.

I'm not sure why it can't check for updates at application startup only, or apply them automatically when it goes to start.

I don't care that it checks. I care that it generates a blank CMD window that steals focus/minimizes active applications every time it occurs.

I originally used it because I was finding other stuff was reporting what felt to be wrong CPU temperatures, but now I get consistent results between it and other hardware monitoring applications, so I don't find it necessary. not bad (the one behavior I'm describing in particular aside), just not necessary. So I'm just going to avoid it that way.

I was wondering if you minded turning it off completely?. And if so have you tried that and the result is that you haven't figured out a way to fully disable the startup check? Or like you did manage to disable the startup check but it still comes up with that cmd window?

Sounds like a nice little challenge. I want to install Ryzen Master and see if I get the same thing and see if I can fix it, even though if you can't I probably couldn't either. I'd still like to try.

[Illusion of Progress]

As I said, there was no way to disable the update check.

There is also nothing going on at startup. I already mentioned that.

The program creates a scheduled task to check for updates every X amount of days. Even if you delete the scheduled task, Ryzen Master would just create it again every time it was run.

[emoticorpse]

If you're considering uninstalling it, I would consider re-installing it.

Because I installed it and tried reproducing the problem, but I haven't seen any cmd window and I did find a check for updates or something like that task in my scheduled tasks and deleted it. Thus far, I have not seen it re-appear even through multiple launches of the Ryzen Master.

Even if I did, I already went into the AMD folder and found a folder called C:\Program Files\AMD\AutoUpdate and if I did have your problem I would have first tried deleting the AutoUpdateTaskInterval file in there and then if it still happens see if deleting the auto update .exe itself would have done.

If you find this post uninformative or irrelevant, disregard.

[Illusion of Progress]

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If you're considering uninstalling it, I would consider re-installing it.

Because I installed it and tried reproducing the problem, but I haven't seen any cmd window and I did find a check for updates or something like that task in my scheduled tasks and deleted it. Thus far, I have not seen it re-appear even through multiple launches of the Ryzen Master.

You haven't seen it because enough time has not yet elapsed for it to occur. It does not occur on application startup. I've said this three times now.

Check your schedules tasks. It probably defaults to every 15 days, and at midnight. if you happen to be using your PC on the day/time it does this, you will see a CMD window come up, with no field information, and the title "AMDAutoUpdate" and it will still focus of whatever you're doing. Playing a full screen game? Better hope the moment it interrupted wasn't important.

Since the application isn't important for me, it's a lot easier to just uninstall it than to spend time and effort trying to work around it for something that shouldn't be this intrusive in the first place.

[emoticorpse]

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You haven't seen it because enough time has not yet elapsed for it to occur. It does not occur on application startup. I've said this three times now...

I didn't imply I was expecting the cmd window to appear after the Ryzen Master re-launches. I implied that after the Ryzen Master re-launches, the task was not re-created in Task Scheduler.

"Even if you delete the scheduled task, Ryzen Master would just create it again every time it was run."

Forget about it though.

[Rod]

Do you use the AMD chipset drivers or the manufacturer drivers btw? I narrowed down the two boards for 7800x3d. I did some research well lots and MSI x670e Tomahawk Wifi £333 and x670e Aorus Master £450.


I have not decided yet, But the Aorus premium would get you Intel not Realtwk 2.5gb lan. Better sound which i use a dedicated soundcard hence the final plus point is while both have a bottom slot useable that is Chipset and not CPU lanes (hurrah) the Gigabyte board is so well orientated that you get two bottom PCIE slots that connect to a chipset and even a 4 slot 4090 will not block the bottom ports on the Gigabyte.


I plan to populate it with the Creative AE7. But having a second might be useful. USB 4.0 AIC are coming and the Gigabyte board is also certified for it. Gaming NIC cards are dead also i cannot think of any use apart from 8000hz mice maybe having been best served on a USB PCIE card. If you have 8khz keyboard and mice thats surely a lot on the usb port?

[r.linder]

I’d recommend Tomahawk boards over Aorus any day unless they lacked something you needed, usually the best mix of features for the price range