For those on AM5, keep an eye out for BIOS updates in the coming days, and do them

[Illusion of Progress]

I don't often do disclaimer type stuff, but I felt this one might be worthwhile if it saves a CPU or spreads awareness. I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone here in the last few days, but I presume a few may be aware of it anyway. Some may not be.

There have been some reports on AM5 CPUs, at least the 7800X3D, developing problems with the bottom of the CPU visibly bulging and the motherboard also having damage (discoloration or burn marks).

While it's thus far been a small number of people, apparently the problem has been considered a risk for all Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, namely when using Expo (in short, memory overclocking, like DOCP/XMP). The SoC voltage is getting high and I guess that's part of what's causing the issues, so the fix is to limit this voltage, which the upcoming BIOS updates will do. So the good news is a fix is coming for a problem that has been identified.

If you're on AM5, I would heavily recommend keeping an eye on your board manufacturer's website for your particular motherboard, and wait for the BIOS update, and then apply it. I would do this whether you've been having issues or not.

And I, personally, would probably remove the CPU from the board and inspect both the CPU and motherboard socket for damage too, especially if you have a 7800X3D, 7900X3D, or 7950X3D, or if you've been using Expo (or otherwise overclocking the memory and thus SoC), or PBO or adjusting voltages from default. I'd probably even check it regardless if I wasn't doing any of those things and just had a regular Ryzen 7000 series CPU just to be sure.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issues-follow-up-statement-on-ryzen-burnout-issues-limits-soc-voltages

In the meantime, you may also want to keep an eye on your SoC voltages, and if they go above ~1.3V is when problems can supposedly occur. I don't have a Ryzen 7000 series, but this is the voltage to keep an eye on. If you see it at or going above 1.3V commonly (mine mostly stays static but I'm not sure if it moves on Ryzen 7000), then it's probably not good and I'd double recommend physically inspecting for damage.

https://i.imgur.com/eqYbb4G.png

Use Libre Hardware Monitor, Ryzen Master, HwInfo64, or possibly others if you already have them on hand to check the SoC voltage.

[Zef]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tiberius:

First it was nvidia with its vhpwr, now it's amd. I upgrade at the worst time ever

It's also being blown out of propertion aswell, like usual.

I've been running EXPO and SAM on my AM5 mobo with a Ryzen 7900X for months now.

No issues here.

[Komarimaru]

Well, just happened to a friend, 7950x3d and Gigabyte board, they didn't know about the issue. Oddly happened during idle nearly watching Netflix.

[Yzal]

Jesus, what's this? hardware early access?

[AmaiAmai]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Lazy Dog:

Jesus, what's this? hardware early access?

Bugs are bound to appear in hardware.

Honestly it could be worse like having an entire instruction set disabled like a CERTAIN brand leading to worse performance than the CPUs made 3 years prior.

OCing is relatively useless anyway, IMO. If I want speed, I change the buggy code not clock higher.

[Illusion of Progress]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Well, just happened to a friend, 7950x3d and Gigabyte board, they didn't know about the issue. Oddly happened during idle nearly watching Netflix.

Yikes.

I've noticed a lot of issues with hardware in the last many, many years aren't just occurring under heavy loads. It's precisely why I've been warning people not to take a system for granted if it passes a handful of synthetic programs. Something is only stable until it is not.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez AmaiAmai:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Lazy Dog:

Jesus, what's this? hardware early access?

Bugs are bound to appear in hardware.

Honestly it could be worse like having an entire instruction set disabled like a CERTAIN brand leading to worse performance than the CPUs made 3 years prior.

OCing is relatively useless anyway, IMO. If I want speed, I change the buggy code not clock higher.

These aren't just bugs, it's HUGE mistakes causing major hardware failure.

Some boards were spiking SOC voltages and burning CPUs, some boards were causing some CPUs to literally bulge, or even catch fire and melt. I wouldn't even trust AM5 for the time being, because this shouldn't be happening at all, and it's unacceptable.

[Komarimaru]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Illusion of Progress:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Well, just happened to a friend, 7950x3d and Gigabyte board, they didn't know about the issue. Oddly happened during idle nearly watching Netflix.

Yikes.

I've noticed a lot of issues with hardware in the last many, many years aren't just occurring under heavy loads. It's precisely why I've been warning people not to take a system for granted if it passes a handful of synthetic programs. Something is only stable until it is not.

Well, they are contacted AMD RMA service, so hope it's better than some other companies.

From the looks of it, the CPU just has a little pimple bump under it.

[󠀡󠀡]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Komarimaru:

Well, just happened to a friend, 7950x3d and Gigabyte board, they didn't know about the issue. Oddly happened during idle nearly watching Netflix.

no issues here atm updated bios on an msi board runnin 2 X 16 tridents @ 6000 so far so good i honestly dont have any complaints yet runs great i do have boost off not sure if this makes a dif in the socket far as volts but it does save almost 20c when inactive people should stay on top of things when getting into new platforms hardware this build is 3 weeks old but we will see how this all pans out id like to thank ILLUSION for the heads up again wouldve never known without his/her post handfull of you folks very helpfull and tought me alot through the years

[AmaiAmai]

Początkowo opublikowane przez 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Początkowo opublikowane przez AmaiAmai:

Bugs are bound to appear in hardware.

Honestly it could be worse like having an entire instruction set disabled like a CERTAIN brand leading to worse performance than the CPUs made 3 years prior.

OCing is relatively useless anyway, IMO. If I want speed, I change the buggy code not clock higher.

These aren't just bugs, it's HUGE mistakes causing major hardware failure.

Some boards were spiking SOC voltages and burning CPUs, some boards were causing some CPUs to literally bulge, or even catch fire and melt. I wouldn't even trust AM5 for the time being, because this shouldn't be happening at all, and it's unacceptable.

I'm not worried about it, media loves hype afterall.

[Komarimaru]

Well, small update. AMD support was really quick, they are sending a replacement along as paying shipping for the return.

The motherboard seems fine and we've updated the bios with a 7900x on there so hopefully no more issues later on.

[Illusion of Progress]

Better than I got with Asus. A relatively slow process and having to pay $50 for shipping. At least the services was good?

I wonder if they're doing this because this issue is being prioritized due to how big it is in the public mind right now? Or has anyone else here dealt with AMD directly, and do they typically cover shipping costs regardless?

I would be worried the motherboard was damaged. I admittedly haven't been following this as closely so I'm not sure how common it is or isn't, but the examples I saw used in most of these articles had the one where the motherboard had (at least visibly) damage/burn marks in the socket to accompany the damage to the CPU. So I'd be a bit stressed if I didn't know for sure. But maybe that's because I recently went through some motherboard issues that were stress inducing despite knowing everything else was good.

[Illusion of Progress]

Początkowo opublikowane przez stonks:

Lame.. I was just about to buy a 7800x3D + 4090 system. What mobo maker you all go for right now

Asus was always my go to, until I hear about all this. I want a mobo that will still be around for a Ryzen upgrade or two even. Maybe it's just redditors doing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the bios of the high end boards

With the updated BIOS, this shouldn't be an issue.

I had a failure with my prior Asus board (ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi) and it was a fantastic board mind you. Just bad luck and the bottom M2 port didn't really work. Asus RMA wasn't too fast (and costly on shipping) but I wouldn't necessarily recommend against their hardware. It's still great.

But I made a change during the RAM to an MSI board (Mag X570S Tomahawk Max WiFi) and outside silly luck with the first not successfully POSTing, I've had no complaints with it.

Couldn't advise you much on what PARTICULAR board when it comes to AM5 as it depends on what you want to spend and what features you want. Even with DDR5 pricing coming down, board pricing, like for like, seems higher on AM5 (relative to AM4).

And keep in mind AMD hasn't really committed to AM5 beyond 2025. Keeping a platform the same isn't necessarily easy, and I expect them to transition to supporting less CPU generations on a platform like Intel has been. Unless you plan on turning around and upgrading the CPU in a few years, I would almost say it's too hard to account for that right now because it might be a non-issue by time you go to upgrade. The CPU and board/platform market will be drastically different in four to five years. There's no telling if an AM5 CPU will even be your best upgrade option by then.

[Bam Bam]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Illusion of Progress:

Początkowo opublikowane przez stonks:

Lame.. I was just about to buy a 7800x3D + 4090 system. What mobo maker you all go for right now

Asus was always my go to, until I hear about all this. I want a mobo that will still be around for a Ryzen upgrade or two even. Maybe it's just redditors doing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the bios of the high end boards

With the updated BIOS, this shouldn't be an issue.

I had a failure with my prior Asus board (ROG Strix B550-F Gaming WiFi) and it was a fantastic board mind you. Just bad luck and the bottom M2 port didn't really work. Asus RMA wasn't too fast (and costly on shipping) but I wouldn't necessarily recommend against their hardware. It's still great.

But I made a change during the RAM to an MSI board (Mag X570S Tomahawk Max WiFi) and outside silly luck with the first not successfully POSTing, I've had no complaints with it.

Couldn't advise you much on what PARTICULAR board when it comes to AM5 as it depends on what you want to spend and what features you want. Even with DDR5 pricing coming down, board pricing, like for like, seems higher on AM5 (relative to AM4).

And keep in mind AMD hasn't really committed to AM5 beyond 2025. Keeping a platform the same isn't necessarily easy, and I expect them to transition to supporting less CPU generations on a platform like Intel has been. Unless you plan on turning around and upgrading the CPU in a few years, I would almost say it's too hard to account for that right now because it might be a non-issue by time you go to upgrade. The CPU and board/platform market will be drastically different in four to five years. There's no telling if an AM5 CPU will even be your best upgrade option by then.

Fair enough. That all could very well be.

I'll stick with Asus. The B650E-F has a bit of that PCIe-5 for expansion and m.2. Might be a waste if PCIe-5 is still useless by the time I need a new mobo, but hard to resist. Just 32 GB of DDR5 since the timings available might be better by the time I need 64. Other than AMD expo for 6000mhz RAM I'm not gonna touch OC on that chip so I dont need high end. Should be good.

[Tiberius]

Regarding undervolting/eco mode, do i need to leave ryzen master open at every startup?

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Tiberius:

Regarding undervolting/eco mode, do i need to leave ryzen master open at every startup?

No, you can close it, and you can also set it up in BIOS, no need for Ryzen Master.