For those on AM5, keep an eye out for BIOS updates in the coming days, and do them

[Illusion of Progress]

I don't often do disclaimer type stuff, but I felt this one might be worthwhile if it saves a CPU or spreads awareness. I haven't seen it mentioned by anyone here in the last few days, but I presume a few may be aware of it anyway. Some may not be.

There have been some reports on AM5 CPUs, at least the 7800X3D, developing problems with the bottom of the CPU visibly bulging and the motherboard also having damage (discoloration or burn marks).

While it's thus far been a small number of people, apparently the problem has been considered a risk for all Ryzen 7000 series CPUs, namely when using Expo (in short, memory overclocking, like DOCP/XMP). The SoC voltage is getting high and I guess that's part of what's causing the issues, so the fix is to limit this voltage, which the upcoming BIOS updates will do. So the good news is a fix is coming for a problem that has been identified.

If you're on AM5, I would heavily recommend keeping an eye on your board manufacturer's website for your particular motherboard, and wait for the BIOS update, and then apply it. I would do this whether you've been having issues or not.

And I, personally, would probably remove the CPU from the board and inspect both the CPU and motherboard socket for damage too, especially if you have a 7800X3D, 7900X3D, or 7950X3D, or if you've been using Expo (or otherwise overclocking the memory and thus SoC), or PBO or adjusting voltages from default. I'd probably even check it regardless if I wasn't doing any of those things and just had a regular Ryzen 7000 series CPU just to be sure.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-issues-follow-up-statement-on-ryzen-burnout-issues-limits-soc-voltages

In the meantime, you may also want to keep an eye on your SoC voltages, and if they go above ~1.3V is when problems can supposedly occur. I don't have a Ryzen 7000 series, but this is the voltage to keep an eye on. If you see it at or going above 1.3V commonly (mine mostly stays static but I'm not sure if it moves on Ryzen 7000), then it's probably not good and I'd double recommend physically inspecting for damage.

https://i.imgur.com/eqYbb4G.png

Use Libre Hardware Monitor, Ryzen Master, HwInfo64, or possibly others if you already have them on hand to check the SoC voltage.

[TRethehedgehog]

Thanks
I’m getting a PC with a 7950x, this is good to know

[emoticorpse]

Cool, I need a reason to upgrade

Edit: I couldn't seem to find the exact thing you circled or it doesn't match up exactly. Was hoping someone could tell me what to look at. I do not look at this kind of details very often at all. https://imgur.com/a/02eiIJh is the link.

[Rod]

I bought EXPO 6000MHZ C36 to use expo not worry but alas i had no intention of buying until june anyways and by then i expect clarity. So far i am only £121 commited to AMD so if this turns sour i can always rethink my plans.


There is also the matter of the MSI 10% bios. Will this be removed? I was undee the impression you could use EXPO at 6000mhz no problem and that was mild and also use the MSI special bios. Thats as far as i intended to push any 7800X3D personally no further.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

Cool, I need a reason to upgrade

Edit: I couldn't seem to find the exact thing you circled or it doesn't match up exactly. Was hoping someone could tell me what to look at. I do not look at this kind of details very often at all. https://imgur.com/a/02eiIJh is the link.

I don't use HwInfo64, but here's a source that shows it. Might be double good as a source for you since I think I recall you have an MSI motherboard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/12yh202/msi_update_on_amd_7000x3d_damage_issue/

Edit: Yours appears to be at 1.35V. I would either disable Expo and check it again, or manually try and tune it down to 1.25V or 1.3V.

I'm not sure if 1.35V itself is "that bad" as spiking to 1.4V or even 1.5V might be really what does it. And MSI says this spike isn't happening on their boards. But AMD is stating 1.3V and below, so I'd personally approach things with that target in mind and play it very cautious. I'd also check your CPU and motherboard socket physically if it was running over 1.3V, as yours was.

Originally posted by Rod:

I bought EXPO 6000MHZ C36 to use expo not worry but alas i had no intention of buying until june anyways and by then i expect clarity. So far i am only £121 commited to AMD so if this turns sour i can always rethink my plans.


There is also the matter of the MSI 10% bios. Will this be removed? I was undee the impression you could use EXPO at 6000mhz no problem and that was mild and also use the MSI special bios. Thats as far as i intended to push any 7800X3D personally no further.

Definitely remains to be seen.

If the SoC voltage is being limited, it may or not go as high. AMD has stated that the ability to use Expo will not be removed by the lower voltage limits, but whether or not getting 6,000 MHz with it remains to be seen. I'm not too in the loop with what sort of voltage is common or possible though I had heard third party remarks that they noticed this "high" voltage behavior and limited it to 1.25V manually, and were still able to run Expo at those speeds.

Time will tell, though.

I'm not sure what the MSI 10% BIOS is. I have heard that older BIOS versions are likely going to be (some already are?) removed though, as they are apparently considered that dangerous. So I'd definitely keep an eye out for the upcoming BIOS and then update to them in short order after their release for those on AM5.

[Rod]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Originally posted by emoticorpse:

Cool, I need a reason to upgrade

Edit: I couldn't seem to find the exact thing you circled or it doesn't match up exactly. Was hoping someone could tell me what to look at. I do not look at this kind of details very often at all. https://imgur.com/a/02eiIJh is the link.

I don't use HwInfo64, but here's a source that shows it. Might be double good as a source for you since I think I recall you have an MSI motherboard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/12yh202/msi_update_on_amd_7000x3d_damage_issue/

Edit: Yours appears to be at 1.35V. I would either disable Expo and check it again, or manually try and tune it down to 1.25V or 1.3V.

I'm not sure if 1.35V itself is "that bad" as spiking to 1.4V or even 1.5V might be really what does it. And MSI says this spike isn't happening on their boards. But AMD is stating 1.3V and below, so I'd personally approach things with that target in mind and play it very cautious. I'd also check your CPU and motherboard socket physically if it was running over 1.3V, as yours was.

Originally posted by Rod:

I bought EXPO 6000MHZ C36 to use expo not worry but alas i had no intention of buying until june anyways and by then i expect clarity. So far i am only £121 commited to AMD so if this turns sour i can always rethink my plans.


There is also the matter of the MSI 10% bios. Will this be removed? I was undee the impression you could use EXPO at 6000mhz no problem and that was mild and also use the MSI special bios. Thats as far as i intended to push any 7800X3D personally no further.

Definitely remains to be seen.

If the SoC voltage is being limited, it may or not go as high. AMD has stated that the ability to use Expo will not be removed by the lower voltage limits, but whether or not getting 6,000 MHz with it remains to be seen. I'm not too in the loop with what sort of voltage is common or possible though I had heard third party remarks that they noticed this "high" voltage behavior and limited it to 1.25V manually, and were still able to run Expo at those speeds.

Time will tell, though.

I'm not sure what the MSI 10% BIOS is. I have heard that older BIOS versions are likely going to be (some already are?) removed though, as they are apparently considered that dangerous. So I'd definitely keep an eye out for the upcoming BIOS and then update to them in short order after their release for those on AM5.

MSI released a special bios that promises 10% increased performance through some bios toggles. The last one on this list improves boot times by 50%.


MSI bios features;
Enhanced Mode Boost
High-Efficiency Mode
Memory Context Restore

[Illusion of Progress]

I can't speak for any of that. Though I would imagine the upcoming BIOS changes will probably only pertain to limiting the SoC voltage to ~1.3V. Any of other custom or unrelated changes the board manufacturers themselves make would, I imagine, remain the same. But if any of those pertain to Expo, they may (or may not) be impacted.

Keep in mind I neither have an AM5 system nor can i speak on behalf of MSI's offerings. I'm just a consumer.

[Detonador de jubiladas]

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[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by Rod:

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

I don't use HwInfo64, but here's a source that shows it. Might be double good as a source for you since I think I recall you have an MSI motherboard.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MSI_Gaming/comments/12yh202/msi_update_on_amd_7000x3d_damage_issue/

Edit: Yours appears to be at 1.35V. I would either disable Expo and check it again, or manually try and tune it down to 1.25V or 1.3V.

I'm not sure if 1.35V itself is "that bad" as spiking to 1.4V or even 1.5V might be really what does it. And MSI says this spike isn't happening on their boards. But AMD is stating 1.3V and below, so I'd personally approach things with that target in mind and play it very cautious. I'd also check your CPU and motherboard socket physically if it was running over 1.3V, as yours was.

Definitely remains to be seen.

If the SoC voltage is being limited, it may or not go as high. AMD has stated that the ability to use Expo will not be removed by the lower voltage limits, but whether or not getting 6,000 MHz with it remains to be seen. I'm not too in the loop with what sort of voltage is common or possible though I had heard third party remarks that they noticed this "high" voltage behavior and limited it to 1.25V manually, and were still able to run Expo at those speeds.

Time will tell, though.

I'm not sure what the MSI 10% BIOS is. I have heard that older BIOS versions are likely going to be (some already are?) removed though, as they are apparently considered that dangerous. So I'd definitely keep an eye out for the upcoming BIOS and then update to them in short order after their release for those on AM5.

MSI released a special bios that promises 10% increased performance through some bios toggles. The last one on this list improves boot times by 50%.


MSI bios features;
Enhanced Mode Boost
High-Efficiency Mode
Memory Context Restore

I have an MSI am5 mobo, but not sure if I have expo ram. What do I need to do to see if I have this problem?

Matter of fact, gonna check for bios update right now.

[Illusion of Progress]

The BIOS update that pertains to this likely isn't out (not to say that you shouldn't check or update if there is one, just that it'll still be something to watch out for in the coming days since the one pertaining to this is unlikely to be out just yet).

Your RAM is running at 6,000 MHz according to your prior link, so you seemingly enabled it. Your SoC is running at 1.35V too.

I would either disable Expo, or reset BIOS to defaults and then check the RAM speed/SoC voltage again.

I would also physically inspect the CPU and motherboard socket. Would be better to catch this early than have issues down the line and then find out.

[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

The BIOS update that pertains to this likely isn't out (not to say that you shouldn't check or update if there is one, just that it'll still be something to watch out for in the coming days since the one pertaining to this is unlikely to be out just yet).

Your RAM is running at 6,000 MHz according to your prior link, so you seemingly enabled it. Your SoC is running at 1.35V too.

I would either disable Expo, or reset BIOS to defaults and then check the RAM speed/SoC voltage again.

I would also physically inspect the CPU and motherboard socket. Would be better to catch this early than have issues down the line and then find out.

I thought EXPO was like a specific type of memory. Is it basically just like another word for docp or XMP? if so I did enable the ram overclock thing yeah. Will look further into it with between today and tomorrow probably.

I hate this motherboard anyways HAHAHAHHAHA. I'm just playing. Imagine that.

[Illusion of Progress]

Yes, it's basically AMD's equivalent of Intel's XMP now as far as I understand it. The concept existed prior to this, but AMD didn't have a formal implementation or name for it so the board manufacturers called it their own thing (Asus called it DOCP, Gigabyte called it EOCP, etc.) and they just read the XMP profiles.

And I was about to say, I thought it was your prior motherboard that you disliked? That'd be bad luck two in a row. then again... I changed board and the first one WAS bad so I sort of had two in a row myself.

[emoticorpse]

Originally posted by Illusion of Progress:

Yes, it's basically AMD's equivalent of Intel's XMP now as far as I understand it. The concept existed prior to this, but AMD didn't have a formal implementation or name for it so the board manufacturers called it their own thing (Asus called it DOCP, Gigabyte called it EOCP, etc.) and they just read the XMP profiles.

And I was about to say, I thought it was your prior motherboard that you disliked? That'd be bad luck two in a row. then again... I changed board and the first one WAS bad so I sort of had two in a row myself.

Nah, this motherboard is ok. I still get slow USB transfers like the b450 strix even though my old Gigabyte ab350 with a 1700x copies fast as hell. I guess they gimped modern day mobos just like they borked modern video games. I'l have to learn how to adapt I suppose. But, at least I don't get constant stutter when usb things are plugged in.

[Tiberius]

First it was nvidia with its vhpwr, now it's amd. I upgrade at the worst time ever

[Illusion of Progress]

You always run the risk of this stuff, unfortunately. Early adopters more so. I've seen this with too many products and companies over the years.

If you do have any issues, contact AMD's support. They are prioritizing these issues.

If you don't have any issues (I reiterate; check SoC voltage, and check CPU underside and motherboard socket), then apply the BIOS updates that are coming or some might even be out and you'll be clear of this issue. If you only moved to AM5 recently then that leaves little time for "minor over time" damage to have been possible by this at least.