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You have too much misinformation here:
The RTX 3060Ti was launched in Feb 23, 2022.
The RTX 3070 was launched in Oct 29, 2020.
The RTX 3070Ti was launched in Jun 10, 2021.
Frankly, I would just compare through specs and benchmarks and not popular opinion, OP.
Here is the GPU that released in 2017:
The GTX 1080Ti released in Mar 10, 2017.
Having an opinion is fine, but then this thread should have been presented with that from the start, and your reasons why you think that, as opposed to merely questioning it.
Anyway, two ways to answer this...
The first is to look at where it stands in the "product stack". Formally, it's a mid range GPU from last generation (but as of yet to be formally replaced in the new generation). I'd even argue the x60 in general is becoming more "upper entry level" now as opposed to the firm mid-range it used to be, especially in the RTX 40 series, but the RTX 3060 Ti variant in particular is more mid-range.
The second way is to look at where the performance offered by it lines up to what the wider market typically has, as opposed to just the latest product stacks. In that regard, yes, it represents more "high end" performance.
But it's all arbitrary. They are just terms. It doesn't matter. Not one bit. Whether you call it high end, mid range, or entry level, it doesn't change the objective performance the chip itself has. So it it's fast performance for you, enjoy it and ignore everything else. The golden rule is to use something as long as it suffices for your uses. Getting caught up in arbitrary labels is how enthusiasts tend to fall for marketing and the need to constantly upgrade.
That's actually what nullable was doing though, if I'm reading it right?
He was saying the level of performance offered by the RTX 3060 Ti would have been considered high end in 2017, but not 2023. He was not saying that the RTX 3060 Ti released in 2017.
And that's pretty spot on. The RTX 3060 series is pretty close to the old GTX 1080 series, with the obvious added benefits of ray tracing and some other new features, and the GTX 1080 was the high end in early-mid 2017. So saying it "would be high end in 2017" is rather spot on. But it released in 2021 as mid-range performance, and has slipped a bit since. I'd say it still somewhat holds that space, but the 8 GB VRAM sort of dings it a bit.
But it's all arbitrary anyway. It's a label, not an objective measure of performance.
What someone once was doesn't change the reality of what it is right now. We don't call GPUs from over a decade ago anything other than "really old."
Generally, "high(er) end gpu/s in the NV lineup specifically are the -70Ti to -90Ti tiers, 3rd and 4th generation.
The rtx 3060Ti is considered a "mid-range" gpu, according to several online sources that I saw. This kind of tech has come a long way since 2017 so we expect more "bang" for the same "buck."
As an owner, I don't love this but I think that is the fair assessment.
But it is quite simple for how Nvidia stack's up their cards. Every generation will have an entry tier, a mid range tier, upper-midrange, and a high-end tier. Sure, a high-end card will not be as good as a high end card in future generations. But that is how it works.
Nvidia Series' Tiers(Gaming GPUs)
xx50
xx50 Ti - Entry level
xx60
xx60 Ti - Mid-range
xx70
xx70 Ti - Upper Mid-range/Lower High-end(depending how you look at it)
xx80
xx80 Ti - High-end
xx90
xx90 Ti - Upper High-end
Within the 30 series, and in relation to, the 3060 Ti is a mid-range card. It was released as one and will always be one. In relation to the 40 series, and future generation, it will look more like an entry level card, performance-wise.
On a scale of 0-9, the 3060 lands at a "6". 1-3 is low end, 4-6 is mid range, and 7-9 is high end.
So NVIDIA's branding is that the 3060 is a mid range card.
The next metric is where it sits on the Steam Hardware Survey results. Does it sit amongst the bottom third, middle third, or top third of gamers using Steam?
While it is open for debate as to whether the 3060 is mid range or high end, one would need to establish the range one is sampling from. As the typical range places it solidly among the middle third.
Entry level gaming.
Entry level is say 3010, to 3030, or integrated graphics. Which is not typically considered to be a "gaming" tier.
1-3: Business use (Low End)
4-6: Entry gaming (Mid Range)
7-9: Enthusiast gaming (High End)
Well, I understand about the lower tiers, like xx10, etc, but I was referring to recent generational trends, and Nvidia's "gaming" family of products. Like the 30 series for example, the 3050 would the entry level card to get. There are no other options.
The 3060 would be the midrange card, the 3080 the high end card, and so on. I consider the three basic tiers in this logic, entry level, midrange, and highend. The 3050 fills out the entry level role, the 3060 fills the midrange role, and the 3080 the highend. In the sub-tier roles you get cards like the 3070 series, and 3090 series, which fill roles in between midrange and above highend, respectively.
Sure, you can consider GPUs below the 3050 and higher than the 3090 Ti in the 30 series generational timeline, but they aren't exactly 'gaming' GPUs.
For me, I consider the 3050 an entry level card for this generation of gaming GPUs, and anything lower than that, and you can say the card is not adequate for gaming. Relative to this generation's level of products. Obviously cards in previous generations that are lower than the 3050 can still be viable GPUs.
With that said, the 3050 is entry level, 3060 and 3060 Ti midrange, 3070 and 3070 Ti upper midrange, the 3080 and 3080 Ti high-end, and the 3090 and 3090 Ti upper high-end.
NVIDIA has never really liked the lowest tiers, only choosing to refresh that product line sporadically. The latest is the GT 1030, I think.
Maybe they are waiting on VRAM affordability to introduce an 8GB GTX 4020? Dropping such a card without at least 6GB of VRAM wouldn't make much sense, and 6GB is an odd number, so 8GB is what I would expect.
You consider.
Which is where the value of this discussion comes into play. There is a false assumption that because NVIDIA isn't making a GTX 970 class GPU, that the GTX 970 does not enter into the range of gaming GPUs.
The GTX 970 is not a gaming GPU? I'd expect it is below the 3050, marginally so perhaps.
The minimum requirements for a lot of games up until this past year was typically a GT 660. That GT 660, GT 750, GT 1030 mark still allows for a lot of XBox 360 era games, like the Tomb Raider reboots, and the Arkham series.
What is higher than a 3090 Ti? Does a 4090 even break the 3090 Ti's performance?
The vanilla RTX 3060 is just equal to previous gen's RTX 2060s performance, which makes it Zero generational leap. That was a mid-range class performance in the 20 series lineup, not in 30 series.