Good AM5 motherboard?
Need one for 7950x

At least 3 usb ports are needed
USB-C would be cool
A 3.5mm audio jack
And Wifi because the PC is not going to be close enough to the router for Ethernet (but I guess I could get a WiFi card)
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emoticorpse 21 mar, 2023 @ 13:11 
Well, I just got a MSI B650 MAG Tomohawk for a 7900 and it's very stable. Ram is overclocked and temps are all good.

ALC4080 pisses me off but I'm still getting used to it and trying to figure it out. I might learn to like it.

I also have to get used to the bios interface.
Motherboards are a bit of a subjective thing. As long as you get one that isn't limited on providing the power to the CPU, the rest is based on needs as "performance" isn't really much different.

Like do you need a given amount of USB? Do you need WiFi/ Do you need a given amount of M2 or SATA? Do they need to be certain speeds? Need a certain amount of fan headers? Etc. Etc.

So it's hard to answer what's "good" with no criteria.
Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:
Well, I just got a MSI B650 MAG Tomohawk for a 7900 and it's very stable. Ram is overclocked and temps are all good.

ALC4080 pisses me off but I'm still getting used to it and trying to figure it out. I might learn to like it.

I also have to get used to the bios interface.
So I found out that's what my audio is too, at least according to this.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-X570S-TOMAHAWK-MAX-WIFI/Specification

What's upsetting you about it? I know it shows as USB like mine does but I haven't had any actual issues with it.
emoticorpse 22 mar, 2023 @ 11:25 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:
Motherboards are a bit of a subjective thing. As long as you get one that isn't limited on providing the power to the CPU, the rest is based on needs as "performance" isn't really much different.

Like do you need a given amount of USB? Do you need WiFi/ Do you need a given amount of M2 or SATA? Do they need to be certain speeds? Need a certain amount of fan headers? Etc. Etc.

So it's hard to answer what's "good" with no criteria.
Ursprungligen skrivet av emoticorpse:
Well, I just got a MSI B650 MAG Tomohawk for a 7900 and it's very stable. Ram is overclocked and temps are all good.

ALC4080 pisses me off but I'm still getting used to it and trying to figure it out. I might learn to like it.

I also have to get used to the bios interface.
So I found out that's what my audio is too, at least according to this.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-X570S-TOMAHAWK-MAX-WIFI/Specification

What's upsetting you about it? I know it shows as USB like mine does but I haven't had any actual issues with it.

The main things I'm not liking so far is that it removed the audio enhancements tab from the playback device options of the sound control panel. This is what I relied on for good volume normalization. It says audio enhancements are enabled but they're not in that window anymore. I'm thinking they're somewhere else.

Also since I guess Realtek decided to stop supporting their actual audio manager application, now I'm stuck with the app equivalent. There is a setting for volume normalization there.

But apart from that, I'm trying to disable any audio processing going on so I have regular sounding audio coming through my devices, but not sure if that's possible. It seems even with everything I can find disabled my audio is still being processed. I can tell because songs I've heard like hundreds/thousands of times have pieces of audio that are supposed to be barely audible, pretty much leveled out so that I can hear them well. Not sure if anyone reading this part goes "wtf, like so it's helping and you're complianing?". It doesn't sound bad. The quality is good and bass is there and really doesn't sound bad. I just want it to be normal because I have this constant feeling like "It's not the real thing, and what I'm hearing might not be what's intended" for every single thing I listen to in my pc and it bothers me. I've never had this issue up until now.

Sure, some of those might not be actual problems with the implementation of ALC4080 and just MSI/Realtek to blame, but bottom line is this audio setup gets on my nerves up until now. I might learn to like it. Better than the real problem others have issues with like static/buzzing all sorts of other serious problems that luckily even up to now I have yet to experience. It sounds great it's just I feel a problem with their design and not a problem with malfunctioning hardware.
I went through a similar thing changing from my prior platform with a PCI sound card (Asus Xonar DG?) to whatever onboard the B550-F had. It sounded different (hard to say if it was better or worse but maybe both at the same time in different ways?) so it took a while to adjust to it. Might just be the same for you. I don't think "enable audio enhancements" changed where it was for me.

This one doesn't actually sound much different from what I just had but I guess it has the amplification going since 25% sounds like 50% now (I had the opposite when I changed my CPU before since it defaulted the amplification off). Strange thing was it defaulted to like 98%.

But the Realtek control panel (where the amplification used to be) stopped loading so I uninstalled it and the new drivers didn't install one so I guess it's... not a thing anymore?

But I haven't had any problems with it, personally.
Crawl 22 mar, 2023 @ 12:49 
I love my Crosshair Extreme but I realize most people don't want to spend $1000 on a motherboard. If I were going with a more budget option I think the Asrock X670E Steel Legend is a great deal at $300 (I think a lot of people agree because it is hard to find in stock, I've got one back ordered on Newegg to upgrade my brothers pc). It has everything you are looking for and then some. While you could probably save a few bucks going with something in the B650 range a lot of those boards you give up Gen5 PCIe and while I get nothing really uses that right now if you plan to use the board for the next couple of generations I don't think its worth $50-75 to give that up.
I quite like the Asus ROG Strix X670E-E.
pasa 23 mar, 2023 @ 14:03 
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Just never go with boards marked A or B. Research is the key not other people's opinions.

Great advice. Preceeded by a bad one, I guess to illustrate the point. ;-)
Crawl 23 mar, 2023 @ 14:09 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Wynters:
Just never go with boards marked A or B. Research is the key not other people's opinions. There are A LOT, and I mean A LOT, of fanboys and fangirls out here. Go with legit professional reviews and your own research.

Just use: pcpartpicker.com to make sure that the opening BIOS even can be used because some boards are requiring lower-end CPU's to bring the BIOS version up-to-date in order to use higher-end CPU's on the AM5. This is how people are getting stuck. Some boards update BIOS internet side, which is fine. Use this website to make sure the board has a compatible out-of-the-box BIOS or internet update option (only a few boards do this).

Compatibility is key. I am not searching boards for you, if that was what you wanted.

To say not to listen to peoples opinions but then say listen to reviewers (many of which are bought and paid for or are fan boys in their own right) seems a bit counter intuitive. There is nothing wrong with listening to peoples opinions but it is your responsibility to verify that information.

Also your information on AM5 is incorrect. All? AM5 boards have bios flashback and can be updated without even having a cpu installed (I'm not aware of any AM5 boards that do not have it).
The Presence 23 mar, 2023 @ 14:11 
Ursprungligen skrivet av The Commendatore:
I quite like the Asus ROG Strix X670E-E.
Curious, did you have any issues with stuff like the Internet connection on that motherboard? I've been thinking of getting the E-A variant but I've read that Asus' AM5 has some issues with its Internet connection.
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Ursprungligen skrivet av The Commendatore:
I quite like the Asus ROG Strix X670E-E.
Curious, did you have any issues with stuff like the Internet connection on that motherboard? I've been thinking of getting the E-A variant but I've read that Asus' AM5 has some issues with its Internet connection.
No issues on my end but I'm not running their latest BIOS version. It was messing with my RAM.
The Presence 23 mar, 2023 @ 20:00 
Ursprungligen skrivet av The Commendatore:
Ursprungligen skrivet av The Presence:
Curious, did you have any issues with stuff like the Internet connection on that motherboard? I've been thinking of getting the E-A variant but I've read that Asus' AM5 has some issues with its Internet connection.
No issues on my end but I'm not running their latest BIOS version. It was messing with my RAM.
Cheers.
It might not be the Asus boards themselves but specifically Asus boards using Intel NICs? Since Asus seems to use those more.

I'd avoid any board with I-226V NIC if you plan of ever using a wired connection (unless the board absolutely checks every box and you're willing to gamble needing to add a separate NIC card in to replace it). The I-226V is apparently having issues, and right after Intel just went through numerous revisions on the prior I-225V for the same sorts of things. I had the I-225V (second revision) on the motherboard I just had so I speak from experience. I'd pretty much just avoid Intel NICs right now.

I wouldn't put much hope in eventual driver fixes. These never resolved the issues with the I-225V. I went through every fix/setting change I could find and nothing worked. Instead Intel released hardware revisions with fixes and just left prior owners out to dry.

It's pretty infamous in the Minecraft community (one of the things it seems to affect bad). I don't tend to use Reddit often (unless I'm wanting to look at Minecraft stuff or come across it in a Google search), but here's a few I found from there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/o3t22y/server_causes_ethernet_to_crash/

^ The post that informed me of the flaw with the NIC, because I was having almost the same issue to the letter (I just wasn't having the issue restarting the PC) and reading it was unreal.

Another...

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/oqqa7i/i225v_network_adapter_crashing_randomly/

And one linking to some sources for further reading and claiming the I-226V is still having issues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/11y1spo/comment/jd6583o/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Ursprungligen skrivet av Wynters:
Just never go with boards marked A or B.
What are you referring to with this? There's two things that I'm thinking of, and it's wrong either way.

The first is Asus naming specifically, where some boards end in a letter. None end in B as far as I know (usually it's A, E, and F, with I being an ITX one) but you can't be referring to this, because the higher letter is typically better, not worse.

The second and more likely is chipset? The B series chipsets are absolutely fine for most people. It's not like on Intel's side where you really do often give a lot up to step below the top chipset. You usually give up stuff like PCI Express lanes, which isn't a big drawback except for people who already know it is. That's usually people like content creators/editors or workstation users pushing a lot of data around between multiple drives. If you're only gaming it's not even necessary as you probably won't use it. And many B series chipsets (especially since 500 series and I expect this continues with the 600 series) are actually made higher end in many other ways (with regards to things like VRMs and features) so it's not like they're "poor quality, barely handles things" boards at all. More the opposite. Many B550 boards were known to cost no less than X570 boards specifically because they were basically the same quality of boards besides the chipset. Unless you NEED those PCI Express lanes (most people don't), it's not something you have to have.

I'm not saying the higher chipsets are useless. I just swapped from B550 to X570 and it allowed me to use the PCI Express 4.0 speeds on a second drive. But to say "never go with anything but them" is just wrong. The B series chipsets will suffice just as well for the vast majority of users. Maybe on Intel it's different, but not for AMD/AM5.
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TRethehedgehog 24 mar, 2023 @ 17:31 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Crawl:
I love my Crosshair Extreme but I realize most people don't want to spend $1000 on a motherboard. If I were going with a more budget option I think the Asrock X670E Steel Legend is a great deal at $300 (I think a lot of people agree because it is hard to find in stock, I've got one back ordered on Newegg to upgrade my brothers pc). It has everything you are looking for and then some. While you could probably save a few bucks going with something in the B650 range a lot of those boards you give up Gen5 PCIe and while I get nothing really uses that right now if you plan to use the board for the next couple of generations I don't think its worth $50-75 to give that up.
I’ve been looking at the comments, and the Crosshair extreme has been grabbing my attention even before I looked at this
I’ve been wondering what major things it has over other mobos for it being $1000 other than quality
The Presence 24 mar, 2023 @ 18:15 
Ursprungligen skrivet av Illusion of Progress:
It might not be the Asus boards themselves but specifically Asus boards using Intel NICs? Since Asus seems to use those more.

I'd avoid any board with I-226V NIC if you plan of ever using a wired connection (unless the board absolutely checks every box and you're willing to gamble needing to add a separate NIC card in to replace it). The I-226V is apparently having issues, and right after Intel just went through numerous revisions on the prior I-225V for the same sorts of things. I had the I-225V (second revision) on the motherboard I just had so I speak from experience. I'd pretty much just avoid Intel NICs right now.

I wouldn't put much hope in eventual driver fixes. These never resolved the issues with the I-225V. I went through every fix/setting change I could find and nothing worked. Instead Intel released hardware revisions with fixes and just left prior owners out to dry.

It's pretty infamous in the Minecraft community (one of the things it seems to affect bad). I don't tend to use Reddit often (unless I'm wanting to look at Minecraft stuff or come across it in a Google search), but here's a few I found from there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/o3t22y/server_causes_ethernet_to_crash/

^ The post that informed me of the flaw with the NIC, because I was having almost the same issue to the letter (I just wasn't having the issue restarting the PC) and reading it was unreal.

Another...

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/oqqa7i/i225v_network_adapter_crashing_randomly/

And one linking to some sources for further reading and claiming the I-226V is still having issues.

https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/11y1spo/comment/jd6583o/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Ursprungligen skrivet av Wynters:
Just never go with boards marked A or B.
What are you referring to with this? There's two things that I'm thinking of, and it's wrong either way.

The first is Asus naming specifically, where some boards end in a letter. None end in B as far as I know (usually it's A, E, and F, with I being an ITX one) but you can't be referring to this, because the higher letter is typically better, not worse.

The second and more likely is chipset? The B series chipsets are absolutely fine for most people. It's not like on Intel's side where you really do often give a lot up to step below the top chipset. You usually give up stuff like PCI Express lanes, which isn't a big drawback except for people who already know it is. That's usually people like content creators/editors or workstation users pushing a lot of data around between multiple drives. If you're only gaming it's not even necessary as you probably won't use it. And many B series chipsets (especially since 500 series and I expect this continues with the 600 series) are actually made higher end in many other ways (with regards to things like VRMs and features) so it's not like they're "poor quality, barely handles things" boards at all. More the opposite. Many B550 boards were known to cost no less than X570 boards specifically because they were basically the same quality of boards besides the chipset. Unless you NEED those PCI Express lanes (most people don't), it's not something you have to have.

I'm not saying the higher chipsets are useless. I just swapped from B550 to X570 and it allowed me to use the PCI Express 4.0 speeds on a second drive. But to say "never go with anything but them" is just wrong. The B series chipsets will suffice just as well for the vast majority of users. Maybe on Intel it's different, but not for AMD/AM5.
Thanks for the links. Will be an interesting read.
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