rtx 4070 is going to be the most sold gpu in EU

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hear me out and bear with me. for 599€ it's going to offer the best value to those looking for better efficiency ( 185W ) and decent performance ( close to 3080 ).

the 3080 is currently sold for 700+ for the 10gb version and the 12gb version costs 800+.
then there is the issue with transient spikes that would require a lot of people to upgrade their psu.

the problem is that amd equivalents like the 6800-6950xt are still relatively expensive and power hungry.

so unfortunately, nvidia is going to make a profit with this gpu whenever it releases.

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Escrito originalmente por Guydodge:

allot of assumptions here.

well obviously genius. the 4070 hasn't released yet. it's just an educated guess, taking into consideration the current prices of similar cards - 3080 10gb that goes for 700+ -, no requirement to upgrade your psu and the fact that power bills increased.

people have been saying the 4070ti is bad value, yet it nearly has the same share of owners as the 4090 - if steam surveys are anything to go by.

the problem is that we in eu, don't receive great deals like us citizens. for you guys the 7900xtx can be found below msrp. I've seen people post prices as low as 850 usd.
here in eu the 7900xtx can be found for 1100+. the 7900xt costs 850 and the 3080 10gb version sells for 720+.

obviously if people could get better prices on last gen cards, they would opt for them but given the current pricing in eu, I don't see whole lot speaking against the 4070.

I'm not advertising anything. not paid by nvidia. just trying to hear opinions by sharing mine.

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Escrito originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

Not sure about that, it seems to be pretty heavily cut down from 4070 Ti. Should be something like 400 instead but then again basically everything is overpriced now.

I agree the price is hyper inflated for this card. I think the 16gb version of it should cost 499 and this one should have been named 4060 ti.

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

RTX 30 is basically been dead anyways. Except maybe on the used market.
And the RTX 3060 GPUs, which are extremely popular due to fairly cheap pricing. As you can get 3060 Ti in United States for under $400 brand new.

I doubt they will actually have 4070 selling at retail for 599€
EU currency is not strong. 599 is the USD price and even that is already being reported as "not going to happen right away". The initial price will be a bit higher.

yeah the 3060 is extremely popular because of how cheap it is atm. that and the 3060ti are great at msrp but as soon as you go above that, the it honestly feels like a grift. especially 2 years after release of the higher end cards.

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Escrito originalmente por Wichtelman:

Escrito originalmente por Bad 💀 Motha:

Who said it was about NVIDIA vs AMD?
All I was saying was; what's wrong with the 4070 / 4070 Ti pricing?
If you compare those prices to the prices at any given time to 3080 / 3090; you are actually getting better bang for buck with the newer GPUs.

OP said the problem with amd "his entire post implies comparisons" etc and i know your stance on this topic... you could say the same about pricing for 2000 vs 3000 series... btw that was no critique in your direction just wanted to mention it...

I didn't mean to imply comparisons. I only mentioned the pricing which isn't great here in europe. the 7900xtx can be found below msrp in the states but here in europe the cheapest starts at 1100.

even the 7900xt is overpriced at 850€ and both gpus are power hungry whereas the 4070 only requires 185w to deliver 3080 levels of performance which is good.

I intentionally omitted the rx 6000 series because the prices for those aren't great either. the 6750xt sells for nearly 500 and opting for higher end gpus like 6800 isn't cheap either.

I know a lot of people like to focus on nvidia but in this case I'm curious why nobody called out amd with the 6700xt gpus. if the new games are anything to use as reference, then it's a glorified and expensive 1080p gpu.
keep in mind that nvidia is stingy. I'm not denying that but amd isn't without their faults either, otherwise they would have gained more market share.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Pretty sure in two years it will be in exactly same bad spot as RTX 3070 and 3070 Ti are now so don`t expect any kind of longevity with this card.

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Escrito originalmente por Rumpelcrutchskin:

Pretty sure in two years it will be in exactly same bad spot as RTX 3070 and 3070 Ti are now so don`t expect any kind of longevity with this card.

absolutely. I will never deny that but keep in mind people bought the 4070ti, because of one reason and one reason alone. namely last gen ampere cards were still too expensive and offering less in comparison.

in us you can find a 3090 for the same price as a 4070ti but here in europe... 1300+ take it or leave it...

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don't get me started on used market... it's a grift

[Wichtelman]

Escrito originalmente por Pelopidas:

Escrito originalmente por Wichtelman:

OP said the problem with amd "his entire post implies comparisons" etc and i know your stance on this topic... you could say the same about pricing for 2000 vs 3000 series... btw that was no critique in your direction just wanted to mention it...

I didn't mean to imply comparisons. I only mentioned the pricing which isn't great here in europe. the 7900xtx can be found below msrp in the states but here in europe the cheapest starts at 1100.

even the 7900xt is overpriced at 850€ and both gpus are power hungry whereas the 4070 only requires 185w to deliver 3080 levels of performance which is good.

I intentionally omitted the rx 6000 series because the prices for those aren't great either. the 6750xt sells for nearly 500 and opting for higher end gpus like 6800 isn't cheap either.

I know a lot of people like to focus on nvidia but in this case I'm curious why nobody called out amd with the 6700xt gpus. if the new games are anything to use as reference, then it's a glorified and expensive 1080p gpu.
keep in mind that nvidia is stingy. I'm not denying that but amd isn't without their faults either, otherwise they would have gained more market share.

i think you confuse and mix&match a lot of things here but i agree that we in europe lag behind the us regarding prices...

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Escrito originalmente por UserNotFound:

Escrito originalmente por Wichtelman:

OP said the problem with amd "his entire post implies comparisons" etc and i know your stance on this topic... btw that was no critique in your direction just wanted to mention it...

I'd posted this in another thread. I think it applies here as well...though iit was specifically targeted at 8GB RTX 3070/3070 Ti. I think nVidia is taking a page from its own RTX 3070 series playbook and putting just enough VRAM on the RTX 4070/4070 Ti (which can actually use more being rather powerful).

"Apparently, some think nVidia can do no wrong. They're even willing to lower ingame settings (including RT when necessary) to accommodate the 8GB VRAM. It's perfectly fine apparently....to these nVidia fanatics."

You are trying to make it sound like Nvidia is out to screw people over. They made a design/business choice and the specs of the cards are clearly stated. If an 8GB card isn't suitable for your use case but you buy it anyway whose fault is that? Could they have put 16GB on the 4070? Sure. Would it cost more? Probably. Would people still be here complaining? Definitely.

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Escrito originalmente por Wichtelman:

i think you confuse a lot of things here but i agree that we in europe lag behind the us...

indulge me and elaborate on what I confused for what.

[Gökyüzü]

Alot of people also critisize 4070 ti
but here in Turkey it is the most sold 40 series card

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Escrito originalmente por Gökyüzü:

Alot of people also critisize 4070 ti
but here in Turkey it is the most sold 40 series card

and it undoubtedly will sell here in europe too. 600 for something that only requires 180W to deliver a similar performance of the 3080 and no need for psu upgrade or worrying about gddr6x temps.

also another positive aspect, is how quiet and cool 2 slot units run. 1400 rpm at 65 degrees Celsius and 99% utilization is impressive.

of course the rx 6000 cards exist but the problem is that, they are priced similarly - at least in eu - and they are relatively power hungry while offering the same performance.

btw some of the reviewers want to warn people to avoid this gpu, by running the last of us part 1 at 1440 high settings and showcasing the stuttering without any performance numbers and graphs.
I guess we have to wait for at least 5 years until rtx/io, amd's sas and intel's proprietary asset streaming solutions are implemented

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Escrito originalmente por Wichtelman:

i think you confuse and mix&match a lot of things here but i agree that we in europe lag behind the us...

no offense but why bother even posting that, if you are either too lazy or inept to back your claim?
I guess it was the typical "akshually" schtick that a lot of people use in online forums

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Lets see what will be the real price and for how much you can get last gen nvidia and amd cards.
Also the best selling doesn’t mean that much if nothing is selling well.

[Wichtelman]

Escrito originalmente por Pelopidas:

Escrito originalmente por Wichtelman:

i think you confuse and mix&match a lot of things here but i agree that we in europe lag behind the us...

no offense but why bother even posting that, if you are either too lazy or inept to back your claim?
I guess it was the typical "akshually" schtick that a lot of people use in online forums

how about i have stuff to do thats more important for me than arguing about pointless trifles and responding within one minute?

i think there was a reason why the gtx 1060 6gb "before that gtx 750 ti" was the most used card for a long period of time on steam...

https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/NVIDIA-GeForce-Graphics-Cards-Steam-Hardware-Survey-Q4-2022.png

oh yea you mix&match how you compare various gpu's "msrp did become meaningless" but that said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNX6fSeYYT8

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Escrito originalmente por Heretic:

Escrito originalmente por UserNotFound:

You ARE aware your card has 12GB vis-a-vis the RTX 3070 series. 12GB is fine now, at certain res and ingame setting, max even as 12GB is okay for now. But, what does the future hold? And I ain't talking 3-5 years down the road, I'm talking more about 1-2 year down the road with newer game chewing up VRAM like Hungry, Hungry Hippo!

Dunno, but I would imagine the game's sales will suffer more.

Why? The current consoles will run these games just fine, it is us computer gamers that can't catch up to where the games are going in natural progression.

Programmers are now writing for the most popular platforms and what they are capable of which means they are going to be targeting more VRAM because it is just sitting there waiting to be taken advantage of.

Things have flipped now and we are the tail rather than the dog.

I also tend to believe the Steam survey captures too many esports focused players to use as a gauge for those interested in playing AAA titles.

You just don't need a lot of juice to play CSGO or Valorant at competitive settings.