rtx 4070 is going to be the most sold gpu in EU

[Corona Scurrae]

hear me out and bear with me. for 599€ it's going to offer the best value to those looking for better efficiency ( 185W ) and decent performance ( close to 3080 ).

the 3080 is currently sold for 700+ for the 10gb version and the 12gb version costs 800+.
then there is the issue with transient spikes that would require a lot of people to upgrade their psu.

the problem is that amd equivalents like the 6800-6950xt are still relatively expensive and power hungry.

so unfortunately, nvidia is going to make a profit with this gpu whenever it releases.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

Not sure about that, it seems to be pretty heavily cut down from 4070 Ti. Should be something like 400 instead but then again basically everything is overpriced now.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

RTX 30 is basically been dead anyways. Except maybe on the used market.
And the RTX 3060 GPUs, which are extremely popular due to fairly cheap pricing. As you can get 3060 Ti in United States for under $400 brand new.

I doubt they will actually have 4070 selling at retail for 599€
EU currency is not strong. 599 is the USD price and even that is already being reported as "not going to happen right away". The initial price will be a bit higher.

[AmaiAmai]

You're assuming people in the EU facing hyperinflation will pay more for a GPU that gives less.

I don't know where you live, but no one I know in EU (Germany, Greece) is looking forward to any RTX 4000 stuff. Not even the ones with millions -- they don't care and won't pay the premium.

None of them care about the "technology" Nvidia is pushing because it's only available in select games they don't play. No one I know cares about or even plays Cyberpunk -- they think its trash.

Unfortunately, I think the PC hardware space is going to suffer this year and the next unless they price cut (put prices where they should be).

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Just because someone might not play games with Ray Tracing or some such; doesn't excuse the fact that the 4070 and 4070 Ti are better performance and lower pricing then what its replacing; which is essentially the 3080 and 3090.

I don't get the continued griping and whining about GPU prices when for the prices those RTX 40 series are going for, are giving you better performance at lower power requirements. And actually, lower prices as well. The prices for RTX 3080 and 3090 were much much higher. If you don't need the 4070 / 4070 Ti level of performance, then a 3060 Ti would do fine.

[Wichtelman]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Just because someone might not play games with Ray Tracing or some such; doesn't excuse the fact that the 4070 and 4070 Ti are better performance and lower pricing then what its replacing; which is essentially the 3080 and 3090.

I don't get the continued griping and whining about GPU prices when for the prices those RTX 40 series are going for, are giving you better performance at lower power requirements. And actually, lower prices as well. The prices for RTX 3080 and 3090 were much much higher. If you don't need the 4070 / 4070 Ti level of performance, then a 3060 Ti would do fine.

why argue about nvidia vs amd at all?
did somebody ask whats the best gpu or did somebody ask what is the best i can buy with x amount of money for use y?
if you have no problem with planned obsolescene or do not care about price to performance and just want the best right now without money limitations go for nvidia...

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Who said it was about NVIDIA vs AMD?
All I was saying was; what's wrong with the 4070 / 4070 Ti pricing?
If you compare those prices to the prices at any given time to 3080 / 3090; you are actually getting better bang for buck with the newer GPUs.

[Wichtelman]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

Who said it was about NVIDIA vs AMD?
All I was saying was; what's wrong with the 4070 / 4070 Ti pricing?
If you compare those prices to the prices at any given time to 3080 / 3090; you are actually getting better bang for buck with the newer GPUs.

OP said the problem with amd "his entire post implies comparisons" etc and i know your stance on this topic... you could say the same about pricing for 2000 vs 3000 series... btw that was no critique in your direction just wanted to mention it...

[UserNotFound]

Originally posted by Wichtelman:

OP said the problem with amd "his entire post implies comparisons" etc and i know your stance on this topic... btw that was no critique in your direction just wanted to mention it...

I'd posted this in another thread. I think it applies here as well...though iit was specifically targeted at 8GB RTX 3070/3070 Ti. I think nVidia is taking a page from its own RTX 3070 series playbook and putting just enough VRAM on the RTX 4070/4070 Ti (which can actually use more being rather powerful).

"Apparently, some think nVidia can do no wrong. They're even willing to lower ingame settings (including RT when necessary) to accommodate the 8GB VRAM. It's perfectly fine apparently....to these nVidia fanatics."

[Wichtelman]

Originally posted by UserNotFound:

Originally posted by Wichtelman:

OP said the problem with amd "his entire post implies comparisons" etc and i know your stance on this topic... btw that was no critique in your direction just wanted to mention it...

I'd posted this in another thread. I think it applies here as well...though iit was specifically targeted at 8GB RTX 3070/3070 Ti. I think nVidia is taking a page from its own RTX 3070 series playbook and putting just enough VRAM on the RTX 4070/4070 Ti (which can actually use more being rather powerful).

"Apparently, some think nVidia can do no wrong. They're even willing to lower ingame settings (including RT when necessary) to accommodate the 8GB VRAM. It's perfectly fine apparently....to these nVidia fanatics."

well if people continue to buy nvidia regardless of that it is their own problem and they have to accept it... btw i think raytracing on anything below 3090 and 16 gb vram is a waste of money but thats my personal opinion...

[Heretic]

Originally posted by Wichtelman:

Originally posted by UserNotFound:

I'd posted this in another thread. I think it applies here as well...though iit was specifically targeted at 8GB RTX 3070/3070 Ti. I think nVidia is taking a page from its own RTX 3070 series playbook and putting just enough VRAM on the RTX 4070/4070 Ti (which can actually use more being rather powerful).

"Apparently, some think nVidia can do no wrong. They're even willing to lower ingame settings (including RT when necessary) to accommodate the 8GB VRAM. It's perfectly fine apparently....to these nVidia fanatics."

well if people continue to buy nvidia regardless of that it is their own problem and they have to accept it... btw i think raytracing on anything below 3090 and 16 gb vram is a waste of money but thats my personal opinion...

I can run RT quite well on my retro RTX 3080 12gb. It all depends on how much RT you're pushing. I wouldn't recommend an RT card over raw power, though. It isn't mandatory and is clearly being drip fed to make money.

[JohnMars78]

Originally posted by Bad 💀 Motha:

I doubt they will actually have 4070 selling at retail for 599€
EU currency is not strong. 599 is the USD price and even that is already being reported as "not going to happen right away". The initial price will be a bit higher.

That's... not entirely accurate, the euro being on par or a bit better valued than the US dollar.
The biggest problem with prices around Europe comes from high taxation.
Merchants cover part of their tax burden with increased starting price to which you're added the VAT at purchase.

A product marketed in US for $500 would be over €600 (for just the VAT you pay as end-user), as the tax is already included in the listed price.
So when you directly compare prices between two online stores across the Atlantic, it might look like euros have less value. It's not that.

[Wichtelman]

Originally posted by Heretic:

Originally posted by Wichtelman:

well if people continue to buy nvidia regardless of that it is their own problem and they have to accept it... btw i think raytracing on anything below 3090 and 16 gb vram is a waste of money but thats my personal opinion...

I can run RT quite well on my retro RTX 3080 12gb. It all depends on how much RT you're pushing.

great more power to you...

[UserNotFound]

Originally posted by Heretic:

I can run RT quite well on my retro RTX 3080 12gb. It all depends on how much RT you're pushing. I wouldn't recommend an RT card over raw power, though. It isn't mandatory and is clearly being drip fed to make money.

You ARE aware your card has 12GB vis-a-vis the RTX 3070 series. 12GB is fine now, at certain res and ingame setting, max even as 12GB is okay for now. But, what does the future hold? And I ain't talking 3-5 years down the road, I'm talking more about 1-2 year down the road with newer game chewing up VRAM like Hungry, Hungry Hippo!

[Heretic]

Originally posted by UserNotFound:

Originally posted by Heretic:

I can run RT quite well on my retro RTX 3080 12gb. It all depends on how much RT you're pushing. I wouldn't recommend an RT card over raw power, though. It isn't mandatory and is clearly being drip fed to make money.

You ARE aware your card has 12GB vis-a-vis the RTX 3070 series. 12GB is fine now, at certain res and ingame setting, max even as 12GB is okay for now. But, what does the future hold? And I ain't talking 3-5 years down the road, I'm talking more about 1-2 year down the road with newer game chewing up VRAM like Hungry, Hungry Hippo!

Dunno, but I would imagine the game's sales will suffer more.

[Guydodge]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

You're assuming people in the EU facing hyperinflation will pay more for a GPU that gives less.

I don't know where you live, but no one I know in EU (Germany, Greece) is looking forward to any RTX 4000 stuff. Not even the ones with millions -- they don't care and won't pay the premium.

None of them care about the "technology" Nvidia is pushing because it's only available in select games they don't play. No one I know cares about or even plays Cyberpunk -- they think its trash.

Unfortunately, I think the PC hardware space is going to suffer this year and the next unless they price cut (put prices where they should be).

allot of assumptions here.