Worth switching to AMD?

[PashaBiceps]

Hi, I've heard that 8GB VRAM is becoming not enough in modern gaming. I always had nVidia GPUs, im not sure hows AMD? Do AMD drivers have the same features as nVidia? Im talkin bout replays, filters, HUD etc.

I've been thinking bout switching to rx 6700 xt 12 GB VRAM, what do yall think?

[AbedsBrother]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not about "crap" RT performance. The Radeons can't do it at all unless a specific game supports it for AMD GPUs. If the game is coded for NVIDIA RT, the AMD GPUs can't tap into that, nor can they tap into DLSS. Yet the NVIDIA GPUs can utilize FSR. Funny how that works.

DirectX R / DXR, the Mircrosoft ray-tracing implementation for Windows, is hardware-agnostic. That means Nvidia, Radeon, and Intel can run it if the hardware supports it (which Radeon 6xxx & 7xxx series and Intel Arc do). Raytracing is not a proprietary Nvidia technology. As I said before, Nvidia gpus have (so far) demonstrated more capability in running ray-traced games than their competitors. Pretending Radeon (or Intel Arc, for that matter) cannot run ray-tracing at all is false.

You may be thinking of DLSS, which IS proprietary to Nvidia. DLSS is a way to improve frame-rate in ray-traced games (via AI-based super sampling). DLSS is not itself a ray-tracing method.

[JohnMars78]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not about "crap" RT performance. The Radeons can't do it at all unless a specific game supports it for AMD GPUs. If the game is coded for NVIDIA RT, the AMD GPUs can't tap into that, nor can they tap into DLSS. Yet the NVIDIA GPUs can utilize FSR. Funny how that works.

This kind of logic is one reason for nVidia maintaining their large user base and market share amongst gamers.
Praise nVidia for what it does even if it screws it's own fan base.
Praise nVidia for what AMD does, too.
Funny how that works, indeed.

[UserNotFound]

JohnMars78 eredeti hozzászólása:

This kind of logic is one reason for nVidia maintaining their large user base and market share amongst gamers.
Praise nVidia for what it does even if it screws it's own fan base.
Praise nVidia for what AMD does, too.
Funny how that works, indeed.

You can't get pass that nV mindshare, and obviously AMD can't tap into DLSS due to it being proprietary. Yet some refused to see this. Intel and nV can tap into FSR because it's an open or non-proprietary tech. What's so hard to understand?

That's why I'd said nVidia can do no wrong, they screwed their customers by shortchanging them with 8GB VRAM on the RTX3060 Ti, which was released just last year, now we have some saying nVidia has basically saved the day with the $600 RTX 4070 12GB.

You can bet your bottom dollar that some would be upgrading their RTX3070 series cards to the RTX4070 series cards, and thanking nVidia for saving the day. Again, I put it to you that 12GB on such powerful card isn't enough in the long run. The 12GB VRAM buffer, which I will reiterate isn't enough, will rear its ugly head sooner rather than later.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Ok show me a Radeon that can run RDR2 properly and does not run into rendering issues?

I know that doesn't touch on the Ray Tracing subject. But yea I guess I'm a little out of touch with AMD + RT. My issue with AMD GPUs still stands. And is a fact. They are poor at best in the PC Gaming Realm. Most games can't run stable when using them; yes I am referring to modern Radeon; 6xxx and 7xxx series GPUs.

I also prefer to liquid cool my GPUs. I been doing that since GTX 7xx series. Never having my GPU run above 60*C is quite nice.

[wesnef]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

It's not about "crap" RT performance. The Radeons can't do it at all unless a specific game supports it for AMD GPUs. If the game is coded for NVIDIA RT, the AMD GPUs can't tap into that, nor can they tap into DLSS. Yet the NVIDIA GPUs can utilize FSR. Funny how that works.

Yes, Nvidia built a proprietary system, and AMD made an open system. Other developers can use an open system, but not a proprietary one. Funny how that works.

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

They are poor at best in the PC Gaming Realm. Most games can't run stable when using them

I guess it all depends on how you're defining "poor in the PC Gaming Realm" and what "run stable" means to you. I've been using AMD cards since I built my first gaming PC in 2011. Never had any issues with them.

But, then, I'm not running uber-expensive, bleeding-edge stuff. I don't bother with more than 1080p/60, because why would I waste $ on more than that when it's unnecessary. /shrug

(ib4 - "anyone not running 4k + all the frames doesn't count, because they're plebes")

[Wichtelman]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok show me a Radeon that can run RDR2 properly and does not run into rendering issues?

I know that doesn't touch on the Ray Tracing subject. But yea I guess I'm a little out of touch with AMD + RT. My issue with AMD GPUs still stands. And is a fact. They are poor at best in the PC Gaming Realm. Most games can't run stable when using them; yes I am referring to modern Radeon; 6xxx and 7xxx series GPUs.

I also prefer to liquid cool my GPUs. I been doing that since GTX 7xx series. Never having my GPU run above 60*C is quite nice.

which rendering issues and unstable performance?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00SbVkpIb_Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMjgFJBRHVY

regarding raytracing performance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rh7kFgHe21k

[AbedsBrother]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

I know that doesn't touch on the Ray Tracing subject. But yea I guess I'm a little out of touch with AMD + RT. My issue with AMD GPUs still stands. And is a fact. They are poor at best in the PC Gaming Realm. Most games can't run stable when using them; yes I am referring to modern Radeon; 6xxx and 7xxx series GPUs.

"poor at best"
Mis-information at its finest lol. Radeon's been competitive for years. That hasn't changed now.

btw opinion =/= fact

[emoticorpse]

I personally don't like to do rmas/returns for my personal reasons, but I don't see why anyone who doesn't have a problem doing it simply give AMD a shot and then return/rma it if it stinks and then get a Nvidia gpu with first hand experience on why they hate AMD gpus?

[C1REX]

AMD drivers are currently as stable of not more than NVIDIA.
The Last of US used to crash for many nvidia owners and nvidia released a hotfix. Two games could brick nvidia 3000 cards.

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

hawkeye eredeti hozzászólása:

The 12GB thing is relevant to AAA games, not to the low end games shown on your screenshots.
And with the 12GB can come with the need for high-end performance which the 6700xt doesn't have.

I wouldn't worry about it unless you have problems with games you have now. If you intend buying some AAA titles then check specs for what you actually need.

This person makes the most sense and got jester award. And why do you guys need so much VRAM?

Play video games that are actually good and make some type of sense and you won't need so much VRAM. Got it? Good.

The real problem is most people on here lack PC discipline.

[JohnMars78]

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok show me a Radeon that can run RDR2 properly and does not run into rendering issues?

I don't know, man. Mine, which is not top of the line and is a bit older now, runs it at full utra settings ~80fps in 1440p.
Something I find acceptable.

W O K E I S M eredeti hozzászólása:

The real problem is most people on here lack PC discipline.

What exactly is that "PC discipline" you keep mentioning? Would you care to define it?

[Wichtelman]

JohnMars78 eredeti hozzászólása:

Bad 💀 Motha eredeti hozzászólása:

Ok show me a Radeon that can run RDR2 properly and does not run into rendering issues?

I don't know, man. Mine, which is not top of the line and is a bit older now, runs it at full utra settings ~80fps in 1440p.
Something I find acceptable.

W O K E I S M eredeti hozzászólása:

The real problem is most people on here lack PC discipline.

What exactly is that "PC discipline" you keep mentioning? Would you care to define it?

the real problem is people think they know everything but actually have no clue and argue about pointless trifles... i would say do not waste your time with opinions sold as facts...

[DasWulf]

JohnMars78 eredeti hozzászólása:

"PC discipline" .... define it?

I had to pause when I read that as well.

While it's a bit odd sounding, especially when applied to computer builds, the meaning is fairly obvious (at least to me). It would imply some form of self regulation based on necessity (which is an aspect of the word "discipline" itself).

In practice, a good example of this would be the case of AMD's 7950x3D vs the 7800x3D. AMD clearly stated the 7950x3D was targeting the mixed use, work and gaming segment, while the 7800x3D was targeting purely the gaming market.

When the 7950x3D came out first, those purely on the gaming side, rushed to buy it instead of waiting for the 7800x3D, which in turn resulted in some people later complaining about the price as well as the annoyance of having to manage parking cores...etc

If they had "discipline", or perhaps impulse control, they would have payed attention to the target audience for the 7950x3D, which they were not part of. They didn't need the extra cores, with its dual ccd layout, and should have been disciplined enough to hold out for the 7800x3D.

The same logic can be applied towards GPU models and their specs. A gamer buying a 4090 with 24gb of vram, using a 1080p monitor at 60hz, just to play older games like EVE or WoW, would imply a lack of "PC Discipline".

Some people use the excuse of "well I want to future proof", but in reality they will just end up buying newer and better hardware once a few generations go by anyway, so it ends up being empty posturing, if nothing else.

So as you can see, the word "PC discipline" does make sense, its just... awkward and carries with it poor optics.

[AbedsBrother]

DasWulf eredeti hozzászólása:

JohnMars78 eredeti hozzászólása:

"PC discipline" .... define it?

I had to pause when I read that as well.

While it's a bit odd sounding, especially when applied to computer builds, the meaning is fairly obvious (at least to me). It would imply some form of self regulation based on necessity (which is an aspect of the word "discipline" itself).

In practice, a good example of this would be the case of AMD's 7950x3D vs the 7800x3D. AMD clearly stated the 7950x3D was targeting the mixed use, work and gaming segment, while the 7800x3D was targeting purely the gaming market.

When the 7950x3D came out first, those purely on the gaming side, rushed to buy it instead of waiting for the 7800x3D, which in turn resulted in some people later complaining about the price as well as the annoyance of having to manage parking cores...etc

If they had "discipline", or perhaps impulse control, they would have payed attention to the target audience for the 7950x3D, which they were not part of. They didn't need the extra cores, with its dual ccd layout, and should have been disciplined enough to hold out for the 7800x3D.

The same logic can be applied towards GPU models and their specs. A gamer buying a 4090 with 24gb of vram, using a 1080p monitor at 60hz, just to play older games like EVE or WoW, would imply a lack of "PC Discipline".

Some people use the excuse of "well I want to future proof", but in reality they will just end up buying newer and better hardware once a few generations go by anyway, so it ends up being empty posturing, if nothing else.

So as you can see, the word "PC discipline" does make sense, its just... awkward and carries with it poor optics.

I'm going through something similar right now. There are new games coming out that I want to play, and here I sit with a gpu that has 8GB of vram (5700XT). So the temptation to go out and get a new gpu is strong. BUT I almost never play games at release, waiting a year or two for patches & DLC.

So if I bought a new gpu now, it'd be for... what? To play Borderlands 3, AC Valhalla or Cyberpunk 2077? My gpu already plays those games just fine. Reduced settings, sure, but it's smooth. I'm more in the "good enough" graphical camp instead than chasing the latest ray-tracing, anyway.

So why would I buy a new gpu now? It doesn't make sense. And the new gpus that are coming out (from everybody) will offer better performance than the current upgrade options. But the temptation is still there. So, discipline. Not caving to hype. Sticking with what works. Not upgrading until the need is blatant. Discipline's kind of a dirty word in today's varied social environments, but appropriate here imo.

[JohnMars78]

DasWulf eredeti hozzászólása:

JohnMars78 eredeti hozzászólása:

"PC discipline" .... define it?

I had to pause when I read that as well.

While it's a bit odd sounding, especially when applied to computer builds, the meaning is fairly obvious (at least to me). It would imply some form of self regulation based on necessity (which is an aspect of the word "discipline" itself).

In practice, a good example of this would be the case of AMD's 7950x3D vs the 7800x3D. AMD clearly stated the 7950x3D was targeting the mixed use, work and gaming segment, while the 7800x3D was targeting purely the gaming market.

When the 7950x3D came out first, those purely on the gaming side, rushed to buy it instead of waiting for the 7800x3D, which in turn resulted in some people later complaining about the price as well as the annoyance of having to manage parking cores...etc

If they had "discipline", or perhaps impulse control, they would have payed attention to the target audience for the 7950x3D, which they were not part of. They didn't need the extra cores, with its dual ccd layout, and should have been disciplined enough to hold out for the 7800x3D.

The same logic can be applied towards GPU models and their specs. A gamer buying a 4090 with 24gb of vram, using a 1080p monitor at 60hz, just to play older games like EVE or WoW, would imply a lack of "PC Discipline".

Some people use the excuse of "well I want to future proof", but in reality they will just end up buying newer and better hardware once a few generations go by anyway, so it ends up being empty posturing, if nothing else.

So as you can see, the word "PC discipline" does make sense, its just... awkward and carries with it poor optics.

Oh, man...
You didn't have to...really. What you say is perfectly valid and I could add to it and extend the "definition". It can have a meaning if you give it one.
Is that it, though?
Because it sounds like it's so meaningless that you can pretty much fit in anything relating to computers and just add "discipline" when you could just use said word.
Wanted to read the quoted user's take on that.

AbedsBrother eredeti hozzászólása:

So why would I buy a new gpu now? It doesn't make sense. And the new gpus that are coming out (from everybody) will offer better performance than the current upgrade options. But the temptation is still there. So, discipline. Not caving to hype. Sticking with what works. Not upgrading until the need is blatant. Discipline's kind of a dirty word in today's varied social environments, but appropriate here imo.

Isn't it just discipline, in general? Like constraining/ controlling yourself and acting according to your needs and (financial) capabilities first?
If it doesn't make sense, don't do it. The ones who lack any kind of discipline don't care about making sense.
Like this one:

W O K E I S M eredeti hozzászólása:

hawkeye eredeti hozzászólása:

The 12GB thing is relevant to AAA games, not to the low end games shown on your screenshots.
And with the 12GB can come with the need for high-end performance which the 6700xt doesn't have.

I wouldn't worry about it unless you have problems with games you have now. If you intend buying some AAA titles then check specs for what you actually need.

This person makes the most sense and got jester award. And why do you guys need so much VRAM?

Play video games that are actually good and make some type of sense and you won't need so much VRAM. Got it? Good.

The real problem is most people on here lack PC discipline.

The real problem is spending more for green when you can spend less for red and get same graphics capabilities and more VRAM. That some games might actually need.
Or spend more for green if you really care about and want better RT performance and FSR is not your flavor, and possibly pay the price in playability if the game you like and want to play needs more than 8GB.
More of a matter of choice than discipline.