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But do remember that the 3D cache CPUs are more variable in gaming performance. They may perform well above their average (!), which is silly considering they average as the best. On the other hand, if the cache isn't making a difference, it performs like Zen 4, or a hair worse even. Which a hair below the 13th generation. So it's "general" performance outside games isn't as high.
IIRC you upgraded from the 10th generation to the 11th generation? So this would be a far more worthwhile change than that was. On the other hand, are you happy with your 11700K? It's by no means a slow CPU.
I'd say this comes down to more if you have an itch/want to play with something new rather than needing it.
If you're planning a GPU change in the next year or two, this could be a change you do between that. Or wait until Intel's next platform and Zen 5 release (epsecially the 3D ones of those) and get a bigger gain when DDR5 is probably offering more, and you stand to get a bigger jump. Up to you, really.
It is on sale right now for $179, and I have a $30 Amazon gift card, so I will only be paying $150. So, that was the only reason I upgraded, or side-graded, was that I could have a PCi-E 4.0 SSD. Though, the 11700K is a tad faster in gaming and benchmarks than my 10700K was. But still I know most would not have done that, lol.
I do still like my CPU, and have a modest OC on it, so it performs admirably. And I am more GPU bound anyway. So, it would appear that I wouldn't need a CPU upgrade right now, but reading the reviews, the 7800X3D is where it is at. And I was thinking that when I was going to upgrade CPU, it would be with AMD. Intel is solid in gaming, but definitely not as efficient as AMD, and let's face it, AMD's platform longevity is way more of an advantage than what Intel is doing. If I switch to AM5, I can probably upgrade CPU one more time, at least, before having to upgrade motherboard and platform.
For gaming, AMD currently holds the crown. And Intel's roadmap is unclear right now. Meteor Lake, or 14th Gen, whatever it will end up being, was looking promising, but who knows when that will release. And what will AMD counter with? I can be sure of one thing, whatever AMD counters with, if I am already on AM5, the upgrade path is simple.
But I would like to make my current hardware last me as long as possible, so maybe it is better to only upgrade when I truly need the upgrade. Focus on upgrading display, then I will need a GPU upgrade, and at that point I can start thinking about my next CPU and platform.
Definitely grab an Alienware QD-Oled. I have one, and it changes everything! You can update a cpu and gpu to get more fps, but its all pointless if its not being shown through a great display.
Alternatively, if you want to stick with 4k, you can check out the LG C2, which is a 4k 42" display, which cost less than the Alienware. It is not QD-Oled though and thus the white levels are more bluish, but it does avoid the text fringing. Pros and cons to each.
Avoid the 7900xtx, its their first time using chiplets in the GPU and I am just seeing too many issues pop up from users. You would be better off getting a nvidia 4080, or even paying a bit more for a 4090. I know it cost a lot, but it will hold its value for the most part and it runs cool. Near double the performance in most cases. Get the cheapest one you can find, as they are largely the same, and likely you will want to undervolt them.
Alternatively, see if AMD comes out with something towards the end of this year or early 2024, which rumors seem to suggest we might see an 8000 series GPU earlier than expected. They do tend to suffer from driver issues though, especially for software applications.
Both AMD and Nvidia currently have some coil whine issues.
Currently eyeing the Alienware AW3423DWF or AW3423DW, or the new Philips Evnia 34M2C8600, which is very similar to the Alienware.
Or if I stick to 4K, it would most likely be something like the LG C2. However, I would really like a QD-OLED as the brightness levels seem much better than just standard OLED. There is the Gigabyte Aorus FO48U 4K OLED which is on sale right now, but I know most people would advise against Gigabyte for monitors, and the brightness levels aren't that great. I do play in a dark room though.
And I would be looking for a display that is very versatile, like allowing me to stream shows and movies, as well as play games, and connect my PC to. (And I know I can do this with any display by adding an HDMI dongle, but it would be nice to have those features built in, which is why I really like the LG C2).That is also why I am not as concerned about burn-in that most people would warn me against. I have done extensive research on OLED in the last couple years, and these new displays are not as bad as they used to be.
Sure, there is always a risk of burn-in, but with the varied content consumption I would be doing, as well as the necessary precautions I would be taking, as well as the pixel refresh technologies, and screen shifting technologies that these displays employ, I don't worry as much as people would think I should about burn-in. Alienware even has a 3 year warranty that covers burn-in. Not sure about Philips yet, but I would be doing my homework first before purchasing that one.
OLED just seems like next gen to me. The inky blacks and contrast and color reproduction are just phenomenal. Sure, burn-in is a risk, and they don't go as bright we might like them to, but until Micro-led is a realistic thing, as opposed to just mini-led, OLED, and more specifically QD-OLED, is where it is at. IMHO. Everyone is going OLED. Even the new PSVR2 is using OLED.
You want it for being the shiny new fastest thing. Which, hey, if you want it for that reason, it's not invalid of a reason.
But you also realize you don't come close to needing it despite that.
Up to you really.
For most people they might struggle to notice the difference, as it only ramps up that high when the bright areas are small.
The Samsung panels have a better viewing experience from my experience.
The alienware will offer better value than the Phillips. Its the same panel, but one cost more. There won't be some magical difference between the two. The new samsung neo g8 is also the same panel, along with MSI's new 34 ultrawide oled.
Dell's Alienware monitor offers a 3 year warranty which includes burn in damage, and it cost less, so that is a better value.
If deciding to upgrade to it,make sure the motherboard has fairly good power delivery.
When upgrading the CPU again, AMD may have up to 16 cores per chiplet with a massive cache.
It will need the power.
Alienware first is what i did. Im now slowly buying bargains. I picked up the Corsair 4000D Airflow for 59.99 and today got the ram for 121.00 the Corsair 32gb 6000mhz expo c36. Right now the prices are kinda crazy on the rest....
My logic is when a game offer arrives for the 7800x3d i will pounce! :p I refuse to buy the current priced gpu generation so can enjoy older games on the OLED and the 3D cache.
Asus tuf gaming b650 plus wifi and vertex 850/1000w.
New display tech is here and it’s just a matter of scaling up and consumerization. IMO MicroLED displays will provide better color depth and range, the contrast and perfect blacks of oled, but with no smearing and ability to support very high refresh rates with very low switching latency.
Another gen or two of AMD’s X3D may give them the opportunity to mitigate the limitations of the current tech. Also, Intel is expected to be on their angstrom A20 generation of process with GAA/RibbonFET transistors. They are expected to move to their own “chiplet”, aka tile, based CPU packages. IMO Intel’s MCM packaging technology is substantially better than AMDs. I think Intel could deliver a similar high cache variant of their CPUs without the thermal limitations and voltage sensitivity that AMD is currently challenged by with their X3D models.
NVIDIA is also expected to be moving to an MCM packaging for their GPUs and imo they also have a significant competitive advantage over AMD in packaging and chip-to-chip interconnects with their NVLINK tech. Given the AI accelerated chip design and masking tech they showed off in partnership with TSMC and ASML at GDC, I think it’s safe to say NVIDIA will have some sort of priority on TSMCs latest 2nm / less process and will continue increasing their chip design leadership, especially if they can significantly improve their designs without limitations from balancing poor yields with very large monolithic designs.
Storage is still rapidly increasing in performance scaling with faster interconnects. With the latest NVMe SSDs on Gen5 PCIe reaching 15GB/s this will continue to increase and more options at these performance levels will be available.
TLDR:
Wait a few years for next gen games on UE5 and Unity 2022 start to push the limits of your current rig. Start saving up for a major upgrade new build so in another 3 years or so you can build a new rig with a new high refresh higher resolution display with next gen hardware.
You make very good points. I think upgrading/switch platforms right now would be premature. Upgrade when you are ready to build a whole new rig, and be setup for the future.
Right now I can definitely make my current setup last me longer. Definitely have my eyes set on a new display. But I am in no hurry either. I like some of the displays on the market currently, but I know there are some exciting ones coming out. So I don't mind waiting longer.
But getting a new display also means getting a new GPU. I can make do with this 3070 Ti for 4K60, but I will definitely want something more on my next display. The platform and PC I am on will probably see a GPU upgrade before I build new again, which is probably the wise idea. But that isn't easy, if I buy a new GPU now, I will still want a better display to push it, and if I buy a display now, I will still need a GPU upgrade, realistically.
With these prices that is well over $2000 for a display upgrade.