[Rumor] Ryzen 5 5600X3D

[Illusion of Progress]

There's rumors (key words!) of such a thing becoming a reality. What are your thoughts?

The X3D CPUs are very attractive to me, and it's interesting to see AM4 get another, especially at this time. This would be yet another CPU for AM4 (in 2023, two years before AM5 was originally promised to last to, although it has been given an extension of at least a year, and then it might see single later releases like AM4 now is). And for those with concerns of the whole issue on AM5 with the X3D chips (though I don't think that's really a concern any more?), that's definitely not a concern on the AM4 variants as the issue comes down to high memory speeds with Expo resulting in the SoC running high. Not the case on AM4.

I remarked back when the 5800X3D was releasing that a theoretical 5600X3D would have been a very interesting option in the lineup, especially back then as the 5800X3D launched at $449. I got it for $299 earlier this year, and it went back up a bit in price but is now lower than ever (shameless recommendation for it at the moment, by the way, for those on AM4). But for those who don't feel they need a lot of cores and still want a speedy per core chip, and for those who don't want to pay even $300+ for a CPU, this could be a winner. Above Zen 4/Intel 12th generation per core performance on a sub-$250 chip on a mature and cheap platform? That's a turn on.

What are your thoughts on possible price, if this rumored chip becomes reality? The 5600X usually floats around ~$150 or a bit less, and the non-X (the better price/performance option IMO) is a bit cheaper but is the same performance, so the 5600 and 5800X3D would be the things it sits between and has to contend with in value. I expect the 5600X3D would land at around $200 at the absolute least (it's an insane winner at $199 IMO but I'm not expecting that), maybe up to $250. Much higher would make it unattractive IMO, especially with the 5800X3D flirting with $279 to $299. But I could see it at $250 still since the 5800X3D has an official MSRP of $449 (though when has MSRP mattered with AMD?). Or they launch it at $299 officially and it just ends up on the market around ~$250 plus or minus?

Spec-wise, it's rumored to match the 5800X3D exactly, even in TDP and clock speed.

As for the late release... maybe AMD figures it's late enough that it won't really compete with AM5, especially since AM5 still doesn't really have a budget appeal (even the 7600/7700 CPUs are worth skipping in favor of the 5800X3D IMO, at least for gaming).

I'm still wondering if there's a point to this. The 5800X3D is already almost "budget" and the 5600 is a great actual budget option. There's a fine line to walk between them but that is still a $150 price gap so maybe AMD feels there's market to be gained there.

Of course... this is all a RUMOR so time will tell.

Edit: This has been confirmed.

İlk olarak hackintoshchap tarafından gönderildi:

Gamers Nexus has confirmed that this product will be released and sold exclusively by Microcenter in the US. Stock is limited to 3-6 months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FTjRfkEFk4

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

It sounds interesting for people who want to update their CPU on an AM4 mobo.

And although the prices really aren't bad for ryzen 5000 CPUs, my ryzen 5 3600 still works perfectly and I don't see a reason to update. I mostly play older or indie games (or a mixture of both) and my desktop is also completely fluent.
So it's not a CPU I would personally buy. I think I'll only upgrade my CPU once I build a new computer entirely, which I don't plan on doing in the forseeable future.

[ChickenBalls]

link to the article
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-rumor-foretells-of-a-budget-am4-gaming-champ


I hope they will announce it soon along with price since I just ordered a 5800X3D.
If its below $200 I might return the 5800X3D.
doubt we will need more than 6cores/12threads cpus for gaming any time soon

[r.linder]

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link to the article
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-rumor-foretells-of-a-budget-am4-gaming-champ


I hope they will announce it soon along with price since I just ordered a 5800X3D.
If its below $200 I might return the 5800X3D.
doubt we will need more than 6cores/12threads cpus for gaming any time soon

There are easily instances where 6 cores can fall short but they're far and few between, and the 5600X3D would likely have less cache and definitely have lower clocks

[ChickenBalls]

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link to the article
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-rumor-foretells-of-a-budget-am4-gaming-champ


I hope they will announce it soon along with price since I just ordered a 5800X3D.
If its below $200 I might return the 5800X3D.
doubt we will need more than 6cores/12threads cpus for gaming any time soon

There are easily instances where 6 cores can fall short but they're far and few between, and the 5600X3D would likely have less cache and definitely have lower clocks

Well I've seen the Digital foundry analysis of the Jedi Survivor in which a 6core/12thread R5 3600 was not enough to give more consistent frame rate but according to them its because of the game is not optimized and utilizes the cores very poorly.

[r.linder]

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There are easily instances where 6 cores can fall short but they're far and few between, and the 5600X3D would likely have less cache and definitely have lower clocks

Well I've seen the Digital foundry analysis of the Jedi Survivor in which a 6core/12thread R5 3600 was not enough to give more consistent frame rate but according to them its because of the game is not optimized and utilizes the cores very poorly.

There are other games that can benefit from the extra cores, but aside from that, having fewer cores means less can be ran in the background before it really starts to impact your CPU's performance in games

[emoticorpse]

I have a negative opinion on this rumor and if it comes to be true, it's a sad move.

Only reason I could see this happening is desperate attempt by AMD to stay relevant because like I read somewhere else, "their worst enemy is themselves" or something to that effect when they released the 5800x3D for AM4 (basically wiping out a lot of need to even jump platforms). Not too bad by itself, but when "someone" (not sure if AMD/motherboard manufacturers or a combination of the two) made AM5 cpu's a laughing stock with that exploding 7xxx3D (which is what everybody wants after the 5xxx3d came out) it put AM5 halfway in the grave already.

Apart from AMD/manufacturer issues, it's a totally different problem when all they're really doing is sabotaging pc gamers (at least those who browse Steam forums). Reason I say this, is I wouldn't be surprised if people on here told me with a straight face they think it's a decent move when in in reality I can already see someone buying a 5600x3d and the day after posting "what do you think of my build?" a swarm of users telling them to upgrade to a 5800x3d for that performance uplift.

[hackintoshchap]

There were rumors around this CPUat the same time of the original 3Dx rumors. Also same rumor for AMD having a working 6 core AM5 prior to those launching.

If they do release this for AM4, then its an interesting move for the millions of AMD systems already out there and still being used. Many gamers don't need more CPU power even in the developed world.

In Asia and the developing world were wages are often much lower, this may be a welcome way for existing AM4 users to keep using otherwise good working hardware. It may help sell more AM4 boards for those with smaller pockets as DDR5 and PCIe 5 hardware still comands a bit of a premium.

[r.linder]

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I have a negative opinion on this rumor and if it comes to be true, it's a sad move.

Only reason I could see this happening is desperate attempt by AMD to stay relevant because like I read somewhere else, "their worst enemy is themselves" or something to that effect when they released the 5800x3D for AM4 (basically wiping out a lot of need to even jump platforms). Not too bad by itself, but when "someone" (not sure if AMD/motherboard manufacturers or a combination of the two) made AM5 cpu's a laughing stock with that exploding 7xxx3D (which is what everybody wants after the 5xxx3d came out) it put AM5 halfway in the grave already.

Apart from AMD/manufacturer issues, it's a totally different problem when all they're really doing is sabotaging pc gamers (at least those who browse Steam forums). Reason I say this, is I wouldn't be surprised if people on here told me with a straight face they think it's a decent move when in in reality I can already see someone buying a 5600x3d and the day after posting "what do you think of my build?" a swarm of users telling them to upgrade to a 5800x3d for that performance uplift.

Also depending solely on a market that's playing games that actually benefits from cache, someone who only plays CS:GO would actually get less performance than the 5600X because it doesn't benefit from cache, and the X3D SKUs usually clock slightly lower than their regular counterparts

[r.linder]

With Intel collaborating with Microsoft while their AI accelerated Meteor Lake CPUs are (possibly, rumors suggested it could get cancelled, and Arrow Lake would take over) in development, this doesn't look good for AMD that they're resorting to their last gen socket as their current gen socket is not doing as well as it should due to a host of issues and just poor value by comparison. It honestly is starting to feel like AMD could be beginning to decline if they don't have anything truly revolutionary to bring to the table that DOESN'T have fatal design flaws.

If Microsoft is working with Intel on AI acceleration for Windows, and it's able to make a big difference, AMD could be in trouble. It could also involve NVIDIA, considering they've been working really hard on AI over the last few years and have shifted their focus to that.

So I can agree with emoticorpse that it feels like "a sad move and a desperate attempt to stay relevant" since much of the market just doesn't trust AM5 because of the major issues going on with 7000X3D CPUs.

[A&A]

if the CPU has 3 cores with 3D cache and 3 high frequency cores it sounds like RX6500XT to me. The difference between a 4 core and a 6 core processor is about 10-20% in some games and if you go lower it will terrible, but in this case it will be really interesting to see if some of the cores will cause bottlenecks, making it perform less than expected, but it shouldn't be possible. The time will tell.

[Illusion of Progress]

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link to the article
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-5-5600x3d-rumor-foretells-of-a-budget-am4-gaming-champ


I hope they will announce it soon along with price since I just ordered a 5800X3D.
If its below $200 I might return the 5800X3D.
doubt we will need more than 6cores/12threads cpus for gaming any time soon

There are easily instances where 6 cores can fall short but they're far and few between, and the 5600X3D would likely have less cache and definitely have lower clocks

It may potentially have the same 96 MB total L3 cache and the same clocks that the 5800X3D has.

Of course, it's going to have lower clocks than the 5600 and 5600X if you meant that.

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Only reason I could see this happening is desperate attempt by AMD to stay relevant

What do you mean "stay relevant"? Despite market share favoring Intel (no surprise), AMD is VERY relevant in the CPU buying market right now. If anything, AMD is probably a bit more relevant than Intel, but either way the entire CPU landscape is very competitive at the moment and has been for a short while, and things have been mostly good for consumers at the moment, unlike GPUs.

They're (possibly) releasing a readily available option for the low-mid end. So because it's on an older platform, and because you have this view AMD isn't relevant (again, why?), you'd find it sad?

Yes, the 5800X3D is a bit like AMD's GTX 1080 Ti (or more aptyly, the 8800 GT, as it's just about top end performance [actually was for a while] for mid range pricing). I'm not sure how that makes them, as a company, trying to better fill their options a bad thing.

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if the CPU has 3 cores with 3D cache and 3 high frequency cores it sounds like RX6500XT to me.

Why would it be like that? That would be unexpected in my eyes.

The reason the 7900X3D was like that was because it was two CCDs. The 5600 series is only one CCD. It's likely it'll use what are faulty CCDs like usual, with the 3D cache the 5800X3D has. Or, put another way, it's a 5800X3D exactly with two less cores.

I see almost no appeal to 3/3 split when the 7900X3D was already unappealing with its 6/6 split, and it's unlikely AMD would make a new model that costs two CCDs (CCDs have eight cores) only to make it a six core chip. That's 16 cores on a 6 core chip? That would be costly/wasteful/unlikely of AMD.

[A&A]

I forgot that their core complexes had 8 cores in 7000 series, my bad.

[r.linder]

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I forgot that their core complexes had 8 cores in 7000 series, my bad.

8 core CCXs have been around since 5000 series

[emoticorpse]

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What do you mean "stay relevant"? Despite market share favoring Intel (no surprise), AMD is VERY relevant in the CPU buying market right now. If anything, AMD is probably a bit more relevant than Intel, but either way the entire CPU landscape is very competitive at the moment and has been for a short while, and things have been mostly good for consumers at the moment, unlike GPUs.

They're (possibly) releasing a readily available option for the low-mid end. So because it's on an older platform, and because you have this view AMD isn't relevant (again, why?), you'd find it sad?

Yes, the 5800X3D is a bit like AMD's GTX 1080 Ti (or more aptyly, the 8800 GT, as it's just about top end performance [actually was for a while] for mid range pricing). I'm not sure how that makes them, as a company, trying to better fill their options a bad thing.

We might each be using the word "irrelevant" differently but not sure. What I meant by implying AMD was trying to stay relevant was more precisely me trying to say that AMD isn't as highly regarded as it was before the AM5 launch. That's pretty much it.

Before AM5 launch, everybody was wowed by the 5800x3d. Everyone was also awaiting the AM5 platform (AM4 is how old now?). I had the impression (going to guess others speculated the same) that AMD had nowhere else to go with AM4 (kind of obvious to me, that's true).

I personally think you semi-admitted this same thing with the last full paragraph in your OP.

"I'm still wondering if there's a point to this. The 5800X3D is already almost "budget" and the 5600 is a great actual budget option. There's a fine line to walk between them but that is still a $150 price gap so maybe AMD feels there's market to be gained there."

Not sure if you'd explain that paragraph differently, but I would take it as "why are they doing this?". I know you mentioned a possibly reason is price, but I don't buy that. I really don't. Most people already on an AM4 board probably has something that performs better and anyone building a fresh AM4 "budget rig" right now is just a LMFAO situation for the reason I've started to believe lately.

People building budget pc's are building basically garbage pc's in their on viewpoint they just don't know it until they come around here a month later wondering why their games run so crappy then feeling like an absolute madman champ when they blow another couple hundred bucks to upgrade to something else (and in this case it will be the 5800x3d like I said).

We really don't need that. Why not just make a $50 cpu? lol. I'm sure there's money to be made. They're filling options nobody wants. Even people who buy them don't want them a lot of times, what they want is the price and we of all people should see how that plays out in the long run for a lot of people who cheap out on cpus and gpus.


GPU's that low are disregarded, so why aren't cpu's, is a question I have. I actually think the only thing this cpu launch would provide is that "itch for something fresh to talk about" and AMD knows this.

At least this is what I think when it comes to Steam. This is the only place I hang out, so I do think the context of what I'm thinking reflects accurately as far as the Steam community.

I hear calls to upgrade very often on here. I mean even on a "rate my rig" thread, it will derail by the 7th post on "you should upgrade" or something like that.

I'm not knocking Steam users right now, I'm just calling out what I see.

[Viking2121]

It would be cool to see them sorta still supporting the AM4 socket a little longer instead of just outright abandoning it, bee a good upgrade to them on early Ryzen CPU's. AM5 is still pretty darn pricey for what it is, at least on the motherboard side of things, the CPU's are starting to be around where I'd expect them to be.