Swapping a 4080 with a 7900 XTX, good idea or pass?

[Dobke]

I currently own a 4080, and my brother had just got a 7900 XTX and he proposed after we saw he's getting better overall performance, although slightly, that we swap our cards for a week and if I like it, he's quite happy to trade cards and keep my 4080.

I'm using the 7900 XTX right now and I gotta say I do get a bit better performance on most games, plus the massive VRAM upgrade allows me to run RE 4 with max textures enabled, whereas it would crash on my 4080. But I do feel a compromise, DLSS was great and so was framegen, and in my opinion FSR doesn't look as clean as I'm used to DLSS. Honestly, tough to choose but I'm almost inclined to keep my NVidia card, but the VRAM thing, specially now that games are asking for more. Idk man, kinda looking for external opinion here that's all.

[emoticorpse]

Maybe in trying to weigh out a decision see what he prefers and if there's a specific reason he wants a 4080. If he wants to do something like stable diffusion which I think works best on Nvidia cards maybe that'll be a reason for you to just let him keep it?.

[plat]

The rtx 4080 has 16 GB, right? Give it the week and test it fully. If necessary, ask for the other card back and test it to refresh your memory.

Maybe consider to benchmark them both for comparison with software like Unigine Superposition, Heaven or 3D Mark Time Spy. You can also run an overall bench like Passmark and compare all the hardware together or separately if you want.

https://www.passmark.com/

Make sure all bench settings are exactly the same for each gpu. Turn off any frame-limiting app like Afterburner or v-/g-sync.

Other than vram, it might be subjective in the end. Since no one can see into your PC, you will have to decide for yourself ultimately.

[Illusion of Progress]

How much does ray tracing matter to you? That would lean things towards the RTX 4080 probably, but that aside... yeah I could see it being a touch call (at least here in this case where you say DLSS 3 is something you like).

Although I think the real RTX 4080 should have had 20 GB VRAM, I wouldn't think the the 16 GB it has will be a real issue. Then again, you're saying you're finding you can enjoy higher quality from textures with the extra VRAM of the 7900 XTX, so... go with what you know.

Question then is, do you like that extra quality, and the slight extra performance you're seeing with the 7900 XTX more, or does the extra quality from DLSS 3 on the RTX 4080 outweigh that?

Any other intangibles like power draw and heat that matter for you? Noise? Coil whine issues or no?

Any preferences software-side? Do you like the AMD driver suite better? Or are there issues you're having (or things where nVidia works better that matter)?

This sounds like it's almost a draw in the major areas so the intangibles might be where the difference is.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

+ 7900XTX
- more raw performance
- cheaper

4080
- DLSS looks better than FSR (this is coming from someone who owns a 7900XTX)
- better overall driver support
- ways ahead on RT (if thats important to you, which to me its not)

Its a hard one. Rly.
I dont think the crash has much to say and Ive never managed to use more than 14GB
(MSFS on 5120×2160) of my VRAM either so when its about VRAM, 16GB is as fine as 24GB if you ask me.

Go with your gut, you cant do anything wrong here.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Given you already own a 4080 unless you have another use for it some place else or a buyer lined up I would stick with that. Upgrade later maybe when AMD 8800/8900 comes out or something along those lines.

7900 XT CAN beat out the 4090 in some games but overall FSR is a joke and always looks terrible at best. Missing out on DLSS 3.x and other features really isn't worth it. And NVIDIA GPUs can do FSR if ever needed but AMD GPUs can do DLSS

AMD Adrenaline software is simply terrible and while it looks nicer, it does lack various features. Also Microsoft man-handles AMD Drivers, which doesn't happen with NVIDIA.

[AbedsBrother]

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AMD Adrenaline software is simply terrible and while it looks nicer, it does lack various features.

Hold up. What? What does it lack? Simply terrible? wtf are you talking about?

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Also Microsoft man-handles AMD Drivers, which doesn't happen with NVIDIA.

Again: what? Happens w/ Nvidia, AMD and Intel. I'd swear you're an Nvidia employee at this point.

[De Hollandse Ezel]

while on paper amd gets you a lot more bang for your buck..
optimalisation is a lot lower..

meaning that even a radeon card that on paper is faster.. will be outperformed by nvidea cards in many game titles.

this may make a card thats on paper 5% faster actually 25-40% slower..

add to this.. this optimalisation issue is mostly due dropped frames.. while top 10% still is good.. it is mostly in the bottom 10% that radeon cards show horrible performance.. and that number is the one that will lead to a bad vieuwing experience the most.

***
if we look on purchase price...
the 7900 XTX is sold at about 950-1000 euro..
a RTX 4080 is sold at about 1200-1350 euro..

so you are trading in a more expensive product for a cheaper one.. why would you do that?

as for performance.. in general the 4080 performs a solid 30% better generally than the 7900 XTX.. only a few titles the radeon does better in.. and even than by 6% tops..

so overall NOPE not a good trade...

[Dobke]

emoticorpse eredeti hozzászólása:

Maybe in trying to weigh out a decision see what he prefers and if there's a specific reason he wants a 4080. If he wants to do something like stable diffusion which I think works best on Nvidia cards maybe that'll be a reason for you to just let him keep it?.

I think he's indifferent, I mean I didn't ask but I'll check up with him. But he did get an AMD when he could chosen NVidia if he wanted, even though he always ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ how he hates NVidia's pricing and etc.

Illusion of Progress eredeti hozzászólása:

How much does ray tracing matter to you?

Kind of a mix feelings when it comes to Ray tracing, some games work great some won't. The last game I remember really enjoying ray tracing on at being happy with fluidity is Control. Other than that one game, most ones I've played recently I had RT off.

But yeah DLSS is a big deal for me, and so is Frame-gen, as well as the NVidia system that I've grown used to. The AMD software is quite impressive, I mean seriously, the amount of things you can do out of the box without say NVidia Inspector on NVidia's side is impressive. I was totally not expecting it to be this good, despite people saying it has terrible software and drivers, I was shocked when I saw what I can do with it. I'm really liking all the stuff it has on AMD's drivers. But FSR from what I've seen works good on some games, some games look awful. And despite me saying before that ray tracing isn't a big deal for me, the fact that this card doesn't perform quite as well on ray tracing is kind of a big deal for me. Because I know it will lag behind as newer games uses more and more ray tracing.

Schrute_Farms_B&B eredeti hozzászólása:

I dont think the crash has much to say and Ive never managed to use more than 14GB
(MSFS on 5120×2160) of my VRAM either so when its about VRAM, 16GB is as fine as 24GB if you ask me.

You're right, I've never had REAL issues with any game I've played using the 4080 and the fact it has 16GB, the only issue I had was RE4 really, where it kept crashing, but I found that lowering the texture resolution made the crash stop completely. And also, the difference is not even noticeable between max textures and the one below that.

I was honestly not expecting some helpful comments on this thread. Thank you guys for all the insight. I was about to call my brother and seal the deal, but I've decided to keep the 4080 for now, as I feel like it's the right thing to do, I mean, I'm used to it, serves me quite well and has some very good features I think I'm happier with.

But this AMD card is awesome, I just found that Ray Tracing performance lacks quite a bit compared to the 4080, despite me not using it that much, it ended up being a big deal for me lol for some reason.

Anyway thanks guys. Have a good one.

[AmaiAmai]

If you are happy with what you have, no need to trade. Also, if you do creative workloads or other GPU-based workloads and want a point and click experience, it's better to have an NV GPU. (at least for the average user).

It makes zero sense to trade to me...you won't be gaining much.

[Viking2121]

idk, they are pretty close, Nvidia you get better ray tracing, DLSS and will work with FSR if that's something, Shadowplay or even Evenc is just better to work with if you need the encoder with OBS or want a simple no frills game recording software.

AMD yeah you get more vram, may not really help much, AMD's encoder is good, but I can't count how many times I've had weird wonky issues with things not liking or working correctly with the AMD encoder, but quality is pretty much the same. I personally hates the AMD's recording solution built into the drivers, I often play in a window and AMD's stuff would record in a window manually, but it wont record with the DVR function in that window, unless you record the entire desktop. Ray Tracing performance still isn't up to snuff with Nvidia, you only get FSR and some game flat out wont allow you to turn Raytracing on with AMD GPU's.

If it were me, I probably would go for the trade, depending on the condition, and I really don't care about Ray tracing, or DLSS, and I often use the Game bar for recording as I don't have to go threw hoops with Virtual audio cable to only record game play audio only and deal with that mess, and I loved my 6800xt, it was overclocking monster.

But thats ultimately your decision, I like and hate AMD stuff, same with Nvidia, but the 7900xtx is a slightly faster is a lot of things than the 4080.

[plat]

OK so you're keeping the AMD? This is a delicate matter but there is a discrepancy in price of 175-200 USD dep. on model.

Just sayin.

[emoticorpse]

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OK so you're keeping the AMD? This is a delicate matter but there is a discrepancy in price of 175-200 USD dep. on model.

Just sayin.

I'm not sure the money is really much of an issue? I mean I respect your opinion I suppose but the way I see it is the price difference is an "after the fact" factor. It would have meant something prior to the purchase undoubtedly where that price difference could be in your pocket depending on the move you make, but at this point the money has been spent and that price is not coming back?.

I mean if he just got it and can return it I suppose return the more expensive one and then just buy the cheaper one pocketing the extra cash?

Unless of course he actually plans on selling it down the road then maybe that same price difference would reflect in the end when he sells it used?.

[feena]

Dobke eredeti hozzászólása:

Honestly, tough to choose but I'm almost inclined to keep my NVidia card, but the VRAM thing, specially now that games are asking for more. Idk man, kinda looking for external opinion here that's all.

Since it's a difficult choice, try to determine what is most important to you. But if that doesn't help, just go with your gut.

While not exactly the same scenario, I was also torn between upgrading to a 4080 or 7900xtx. In the end I chose AMD because of two things: (1) larger memory capacity, and (2) 8-pin power connectors. 24gb of gddr6 is going to help with relevancy/longevity, and there is no way I'm going to take a chance with the initial 12vhpwr connectors/cables burning up. I know the second point is a larger issue with 4090s but think that the standard needs to mature before I can trust it. I'm not going to knowing risk burning my house down, and of course there is the chance of getting a RMA rejected due to melting attributed to "user error". Also, the issue with how much excessive force is required to properly connect the cable to the connector is just asking for trouble. It's just a matter of time before the connector breaks from the pcb (check out the "Northridgefix" youtube channel for examples of broken connectors, especially on Gigabyte pcbs).

Anyways, not trying to scare anyone away from Nvidia, but issues with the power connector/cables in the end was a deal breaker for me.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

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Given you already own a 4080 unless you have another use for it some place else or a buyer lined up I would stick with that. Upgrade later maybe when AMD 8800/8900 comes out or something along those lines.

7900 XT CAN beat out the 4090 in some games but overall FSR is a joke and always looks terrible at best. Missing out on DLSS 3.x and other features really isn't worth it. And NVIDIA GPUs can do FSR if ever needed but AMD GPUs can do DLSS

AMD Adrenaline software is simply terrible and while it looks nicer, it does lack various features. Also Microsoft man-handles AMD Drivers, which doesn't happen with NVIDIA.

least educated user right here
xtx is faster than the 4080 in mostly every game
where did you get this nonsense from?
userbenchmark.com? or the broken LTT channel nowdays?
adrenaline software has everything you need in there
you can OC and update drivers without needing to seek software for the OC part from some 3rd party sites

What did I set that's wrong? Hmm nothing.
I said it could beat a 4090, we know this already.

But we also know all the AMD Drivers and Software are pure junk.
Grow up.

[AbedsBrother]

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least educated user right here
xtx is faster than the 4080 in mostly every game
where did you get this nonsense from?
userbenchmark.com? or the broken LTT channel nowdays?
adrenaline software has everything you need in there
you can OC and update drivers without needing to seek software for the OC part from some 3rd party sites

What did I set that's wrong? Hmm nothing.
I said it could beat a 4090, we know this already.

But we also know all the AMD Drivers and Software are pure junk.
Grow up.

Lies and misinformation from the Steam Hardware forum's resident Nvidia shill.Not the first time you've been wrong. Or the second, for that matter.

Radeon drivers are very good, and have been good for a while. The Software has been good for even longer - going back to the Crimson days. Remember those days? or have you never actually used Radeon? Is that because your employer, Nvidia, does not let you use Radeon? They just hand you a list of common anti-Radeon talking points that you repeat at every opportunity, right?

There are plenty of reasons to recommend Nvidia. Cuda. DLSS. Better ray-tracing than any other consumer option. Better power-draw w/ RTX 4xxx-series. No need to lie about Radeon or be rude to other forum users.