Why are people still afraid of moving to windows 11?

[AllergicToBrainRot]

Once my friend told me about how it uses CPU E-cores better than windows 10. Because I use an i7 13700kf, I moved over to it and system feels even more smoother now. Boot times are even quicker than before with windows 10 pro.

[Ice Robertson]

I'm not afraid of windows 11, I just think that since windows 12 is around the corner i may as well wait and see.

like what would be the point in having to upgrade twice? (per computer)

[Karumati]

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Escrito originalmente por Karumati:

Sounds like an issue on your end

Yea that must be it, right?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/1191325/windows-security-core-isolation-still-showing-acti

Multiple experts and websites have shown the numerous problems with win11, but here a fckin random steam user is telling me that the problem is on my side.

Nvm that the same hardware works just fine in older os

well, my win11 works just fine.

[Ice Robertson]

Escrito originalmente por Karumati:

well, my win11 works just fine.

I learned that there's plenty of users on steam with as much or even more knowledge than myself, So I wouldn't assume they don't know what they are doing.

He may even have been building computers before you got to intermediate, You never know.

[Tiberius]

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Yea that must be it, right?

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/1191325/windows-security-core-isolation-still-showing-acti

Multiple experts and websites have shown the numerous problems with win11, but here a fckin random steam user is telling me that the problem is on my side.

Nvm that the same hardware works just fine in older os

well, my win11 works just fine.

Did i ask?

[ChickenBalls]

not afraid but its just pointless since its still on DX12 API but with even more bloat

[Lixire]

As a lot of people have unsupported machines so they cannot really upgrade to the newer OS and while its very easy to bypass the requirements. Most people won't do that as they don't want to gamble with what may or may not happen in the future.

and the main one is that people don't feel the need to upgrade right now and they are probably fine with what they have now and will upgrade towards a newer OS when they buy a brand new computer. as most users don't upgrade their OS, they simply upgrade the whole hardware with the OS in the process.

[Lixire]

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Escrito originalmente por Tiberius:

Compared to win7 or 10, Win11 is still very buggy. Its core isolation process and tpm have this problem where it can cause my cpu temp to skyrocket. Then there are a bunch of ui related problems (system font gets extremely small, i need to refresh to show freshly copied files, etc)

Sounds like an issue on your end

To be fair, Core Isolation does increase CPU temps and also hurting performance in a very noticeable manner as you are effectively running Windows's core tasks in an isolated VM and you spam the CPU with vmexits all the time. which takes more CPU cycles and hurts memory performance.

However, it is also a feature on Windows 10 but simply wasn't enabled by default while on brand new installs of 11 it does.
But its also really easy to disable this one if you don't need the extra protection.

[plat]

Ah yes, Core Isolation/Memory Integrity. That mystery setting that supposedly enhances your online security. Actually, I monitor cpu via desktop app and it's pretty OK but everyone's setup varies.

If i want to see how Zemana or Watchdog Antivirus are doing (no not really), one has to disable this setting; otherwise the driver installs but not the rest of it. You then have a rogue driver in your system32 folder that's easy to forget about.

I have CI/MI enabled. Very rarely do I have issues with that but others may want it off permanently.

[Viking2121]

Im not afraid, in fact I was on it for quite a long time, though in the last couple of months for me, the had an issue with some high polling rate mice, move your mouse and fps drops, the only way I could fix it was to drop my polling to 125hz, I hate the feeling at 125hz, and not all games had issues with this, Diablo 4 and The Division 2 just to name a few was unplayable unless I used a controller or use a cheap mouse I have. 3090ti getting 200+ fps in Diablo 4 drops to under 60fps if you move the mouse around enough...

They released a fix, I got the fix threw windows update, I verified and still had issues, they did do something, but it wasn't right so I move back to Wndows 10, not a single issue, Maybe in the future, but I think Im gonna ride out windows 10 and hope Windows 12 is better which I don't think it will be as they already said they are focused on making it better for touch screens, so I have a feeling the desktop is gonna be full of over sized buttons to accommodate for peoples fat fingers, a lot of wasted space on desktop, I can see it now....

[Pom Pom]

uh nuh I think windows 11 is just rekin of windows 10 with more hardware cost

[Tiberius]

Also if you're into virtualization, you're gon have to turn off many win11 features.

[Lord Flashheart]

I use windows for gaming, so really see no need.
Presently using windows 10. My CPU is the 5800X3D, so no issues with E cores and such.
When the support is close to finish time, may switch to linux, or completely skip and use windows 12 (or whatever).

The TPM requirement is an annoyance, but for me that is for using windows virtual machines.

[laxr5]

Someone here said people do not like change, so therefore they don't like Windows 11. That might be true for some, but not true for me. I've been a avid Windows user since 1992. Although I've used many different types of operating systems, but Windows from the early 1990s has been my main OS. I have no problem with interface changes as apparently I'm one of the only people in the World who thought the changes in Windows 8 were brave and forward thinking. Windows 11 is a f*cking mess. I've finally installed into a VM and explored it. It had the worst look to the fonts of - anything I've recently installed in a VM. Linux or otherwise. I searched in Windows 11 for the ClearType tool in an attempt to fix the problem, and when I searched, I got - two results for ClearType. Each results had a different icons. This is a ridiculous QA miss for a fresh install. The right click "contextual menus," now have two different form factors! I can handle that but why should I? The interface is a mess. It looks like a warmed over smartphone. I cannot move the taskbar to reclaim vertical space, as I prefer. I happen to use full screen start, which I realize few do, and I'm willing to let that go. But I'm not willing to part with being able to move the task bar, as I can in any Linux that I happen to use. I refuse to give MS that portion of my screen space. Of any MS OS I have ever used, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98(and SE) Windows 2000, Windows XP (skipped Vista, which wasn't horrible), MacOSX, Windows 7, Windows 8, and finally Windows 10, Windows 11 of all of them has a highly unfinished feel, and this includes my present favorite version of Linux which I use all... the... time. Linux Mint.

Windows 11 been out for two years, and only has about 23% of the PC market, where Windows 10 is at around 70%. What does that say? Does it say humans are stupid and stuck in the mud. No. It says humans like Windows 10 - a lot better than Windows 11. It says Microsoft didn't do their user testing - correctly. They flubbed it. Possible worse than any OS to date. When features were taken out of the problematic Windows ME - how did users react. Anyone know about that? Windows 11 is DOA in comparison to any successful MS OSs. I was there when Windows 95 came out, and it was exciting. Finally we had a user OS that was multitasking in many ways and had a high degree of compatibility, and a new interface that was much better and more exciting to use compared to Windows 3.1x.

Windows 11 is a ugly pig from an overall user standpoint. As the years wear on, and we all stop buying MS's BS about this failed OS, maybe we'll see some answers as to why this failure happened. But do not tell me this is all because "users are stuck in the mud." That's rank bullsh*t.

[Karumati]

Escrito originalmente por laxr5:

Someone here said people do not like change, so therefore they don't like Windows 11. That might be true for some, but not true for me. I've been a avid Windows user since 1992. Although I've used many different types of operating systems, but Windows from the early 1990s has been my main OS. I have no problem with interface changes as apparently I'm one of the only people in the World who thought the changes in Windows 8 were brave and forward thinking. Windows 11 is a f*cking mess. I've finally installed into a VM and explored it. It had the worst look to the fonts of - anything I've recently installed in a VM. Linux or otherwise. I searched in Windows 11 for the ClearType tool in an attempt to fix the problem, and when I searched, I got - two results for ClearType. Each results had a different icons. This is a ridiculous QA miss for a fresh install. The right click "contextual menus," now have two different form factors! I can handle that but why should I? The interface is a mess. It looks like a warmed over smartphone. I cannot move the taskbar to reclaim vertical space, as I prefer. I happen to use full screen start, which I realize few do, and I'm willing to let that go. But I'm not willing to part with being able to move the task bar, as I can in any Linux that I happen to use. I refuse to give MS that portion of my screen space. Of any MS OS I have ever used, Win 3.1, Win 3.11, Windows 95, Windows 98(and SE) Windows 2000, Windows XP (skipped Vista, which wasn't horrible), MacOSX, Windows 7, Windows 8, and finally Windows 10, Windows 11 of all of them has a highly unfinished feel, and this includes my present favorite version of Linux which I use all... the... time. Linux Mint.

Windows 11 been out for two years, and only has about 23% of the PC market, where Windows 10 is at around 70%. What does that say? Does it say humans are stupid and stuck in the mud. No. It says humans like Windows 10 - a lot better than Windows 11. It says Microsoft didn't do their user testing - correctly. They flubbed it. Possible worse than any OS to date. When features were taken out of the problematic Windows ME - how did users react. Anyone know about that? Windows 11 is DOA in comparison to any successful MS OSs. I was there when Windows 95 came out, and it was exciting. Finally we had a user OS that was multitasking in many ways and had a high degree of compatibility, and a new interface that was much better and more exciting to use compared to Windows 3.1x.

Windows 11 is a ugly pig from an overall user standpoint. As the years wear on, and we all stop buying MS's BS about this failed OS, maybe we'll see some answers as to why this failure happened. But do not tell me this is all because "users are stuck in the mud." That's rank bullsh*t.

win11 looks better

[Supafly]

Escrito originalmente por Karumati:

win11 looks better

Subjective view. Personally there were enough dislikes for me to revert back to 10. Sure I could tweak 11 to look and behave more like 10 but I can't be bothered right now. Waiting for 12 so I can skip 11 altogether. Saves tweaking 11 and then having to tweak 12 when I can skip 11 and only have to tweak one upgraded OS