Jinn-Gon Qui 5 AGO 2023 a las 3:37 a. m.
PC Randomly Restarts
So this occurred to one of my siblings' PC, when they took it outside their balcony and used it there. It's been out the entire spring, when the heat was gradually rising, not to mention they and their spouse are smoking (oh, and they also took their cats outside from time to time, so you can add that bowl of mess to the equation)...

The PC turned on but there was no display. I played with the memory until I found out that one of the sticks had a little mark on the connectors that didn't rub off, which I figured it's done for. The other memory and the rest of the memory slots do work, though. Additionally, the CMOS battery leaked, so I replaced it and cleaned its slot with alcohol.

Hardware-wise, I took apart the entire PC and put it all inside a new case (ordered an aftermarket power button because the default one didn't work). Everything is properly connected and I reapplied thermal paste after 3 years, yet the result remains the same.

Nothing has changed on the software end, either. I tried from updating the drivers to uninstalling malicious hardware to scanning for viruses to updating BIOS. I can also confirm that the second memory works with the memory diagnostics tool. PC continued to reset. As a last resort, I reinstalled Windows but even then the PC restarted - and it even did so on my first attempt with the memory diagnostics tool.

I can't figure out what could be the issue. Is it because the PC is missing another memory stick (navigating through the motherboard's memory support, which is the Gigabyte B550M DS3H, I didn't find any 1 module support (if any exist))? Could the PSU be at fault here, even though I haven't heard unusual sounds coming out of it? There's no coil whine or fan speeding fast or any loud noises. Is the motherboard slowly (but surely) dying? Maybe it's one of the drivers that had been damaged (I forgot to chkdsk them)?
Última edición por Jinn-Gon Qui; 8 AGO 2023 a las 6:28 a. m.
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☎need4naiim☎ 5 AGO 2023 a las 5:14 a. m. 
I have experienced same random shutdowns (these started with random restarts, by the way) in my old PC which i used from 2003 to 2015.

It started these random shutdowns in 2012 and i lived with it until January 1st 2015, which it has never started again. I tried even more than what you did above, even some ludicrous things but they didn't work for 3 years, until it finally gave up altogether.

It is the aging PSU brother. In my case, i didn't just buy a new PSU for my 12 year old Pentium 4 machine but i bought an all new one as it would have been pointless to run a P4 Machine in 2015.

If those shutdowns are totally random, like it can work during heated gaming sessions but can shutdown while it is idle, on desktop, with no browser nor game nor heavy software is at work (some other time browsing the web, some other time in game menu... etc), then it is PSU.
Última edición por ☎need4naiim☎; 5 AGO 2023 a las 5:18 a. m.
Phénomènes Mystiques 5 AGO 2023 a las 5:39 a. m. 
Smoke is fine because my PC still works after a house fire. And I tell ya, the soot I removed from the GPU was incredible!

Anyways, I had an issue where the Windows Update changed the "Turn HDD Off" after 5 minutes issue which would randomly shut the PC down when watching movies, in idle, pausing a game, or listening to music.

If you can get it to work, run SFC Scan and DISM CheckHealth.

If you updated the BIOS, I hope you saved the revision. Re-flash the BIOS. And stay clear of any Beta BIOS revisions.
Última edición por Phénomènes Mystiques; 5 AGO 2023 a las 5:44 a. m.
Jinn-Gon Qui 5 AGO 2023 a las 5:54 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por ☎need4naiim☎:
I have experienced same random shutdowns (these started with random restarts, by the way) in my old PC which i used from 2003 to 2015.

It started these random shutdowns in 2012 and i lived with it until January 1st 2015, which it has never started again. I tried even more than what you did above, even some ludicrous things but they didn't work for 3 years, until it finally gave up altogether.

It is the aging PSU brother. In my case, i didn't just buy a new PSU for my 12 year old Pentium 4 machine but i bought an all new one as it would have been pointless to run a P4 Machine in 2015.

If those shutdowns are totally random, like it can work during heated gaming sessions but can shutdown while it is idle, on desktop, with no browser nor game nor heavy software is at work (some other time browsing the web, some other time in game menu... etc), then it is PSU.

I was really hoping it would've been the missing memory :steamsad:

The PSU that's in their PC is like 5+ years old, the Corsair TX550M. And you would be correct that the shutdowns/resets are totally random, while the PC is idle or doing non-demanding processes.

Publicado originalmente por smallcat:
Check whether the 24 pin power connector and the GPU are well connected to the mobo . These were the reasons my mobo shut down the PC 50+ times . It s a long story , anyway .

Will do! While at it, I have another PSU to try and see if the PC doesn't reset.

Publicado originalmente por Wynters:
Smoke is fine because my PC still works after a house fire. And I tell ya, the soot I removed from the GPU was incredible!

Anyways, I had an issue where the Windows Update changed the "Turn HDD Off" after 5 minutes issue which would randomly shut the PC down when watching movies, in idle, pausing a game, or listening to music.

If you can get it to work, run SFC Scan and DISM CheckHealth.

If you updated the BIOS, I hope you saved the revision. Re-flash the BIOS. And stay clear of Beta BIOS revisions.

The OS is installed on the SSD, while there are two extra HDDs I set in RAID 0. So I can try some of them scanning options and see if anything unusual comes up, but I can't re-flash the BIOS; too late for that. But I made sure I wasn't updating to a beta version.
emoticorpse 5 AGO 2023 a las 6:23 a. m. 
CMOS battery leaked onto the motherboard? I'd tell them to change the motherboard but seems like that might be doomed again soon just because of the way you made it seem it gets treated.
Última edición por emoticorpse; 5 AGO 2023 a las 6:23 a. m.
HypersleepyNaputunia 5 AGO 2023 a las 6:35 a. m. 
possibly morning dew moisture collects overnight and evaporates when it gets hot

idk just possibility
GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™ 5 AGO 2023 a las 6:44 a. m. 
If this CMOS battery leaked then chances are something else more important leaked also. For example, a capacitor on the motherboard.
Jinn-Gon Qui 5 AGO 2023 a las 9:45 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por emoticorpse:
CMOS battery leaked onto the motherboard? I'd tell them to change the motherboard but seems like that might be doomed again soon just because of the way you made it seem it gets treated.

I'm not sure how much or if it leaked at all. There was residue around and within the slot. And don't worry, they brought the PC back inside :lunar2019laughingpig: Otherwise, it the current heat, it would've been toasted.

Publicado originalmente por Megami Blanc:
possibly morning dew moisture collects overnight and evaporates when it gets hot

idk just possibility

Sounds plausible. It was pretty hefty inside there when I opened the case.

Publicado originalmente por W O K E I S M:
If this CMOS battery leaked then chances are something else more important leaked also. For example, a capacitor on the motherboard.

I'll take a closer inspection at the rest of the PCB.
_I_ 5 AGO 2023 a las 10:50 a. m. 
if it was outside, probably water damage
may need new pc

disable auto reboot on bsod
many times it reboots before showing the bsod
Última edición por _I_; 5 AGO 2023 a las 10:52 a. m.
Jinn-Gon Qui 5 AGO 2023 a las 11:13 a. m. 
Publicado originalmente por _I_:
if it was outside, probably water damage
may need new pc

disable auto reboot on bsod
many times it reboots before showing the bsod

In this case, I can access the BIOS quickly. Nothing had spilled into the PC, though.
Illusion of Progress 5 AGO 2023 a las 12:30 p. m. 
You explained the backstory of the PC (not saying this isn't welcome, mind you), but you didn't elaborate on the random restarts, which is what we need.

You also didn't provide the hardware itself (CPU-Z validation link would be good but you'd need access to the PC for that).

Your first course of action should be to check event viewer. If it's a BSOD, it will tell you. And if it is a BSOD, this is where you'll get any information that may help you troubleshoot it. If it's not a BSOD, you've narrowed that out and know you're actually dealing with a true "random restart" which is nine times out of ten an electrical issue, if not a thermal one (random number, and it's probably higher than this if anything).

I'm not going to question why the PC was outside, but did it stay out there? If so, again... won't even question why, but knowing both that, and that you describe the battery as having leaked and it being "hefty" inside (this means what?), then I'd honestly be starting with a new PSU and motherboard and seeing what else can be salvaged (CPU, GPU, and storage might have a decent chance of being good). Before jumping to those, if you other RAM you can test, you can do so.

No, one DIMM of RAM won't cause random restarts. As long as the remaining DIMM is indeed good, then that's not the issue.
Última edición por Illusion of Progress; 5 AGO 2023 a las 12:31 p. m.
Jinn-Gon Qui 5 AGO 2023 a las 1:56 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Illusion of Progress:
You explained the backstory of the PC (not saying this isn't welcome, mind you), but you didn't elaborate on the random restarts, which is what we need.

Oh. I thought by narrowing down all the solutions I tried in order to eliminate this problem with the random restarts that was the elaboration, since I still don't know what's the reason for these random restarts to occur, all of a sudden.

Publicado originalmente por Illusion of Progress:
You also didn't provide the hardware itself (CPU-Z validation link would be good but you'd need access to the PC for that).

True, I just mentioned the motherboard. As follow:

CPU: Ryzen 3600
CPU cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports
Motherboard: Gigabyte B550M DS3H, updated to BIOS version F17
Memory: Kingston HyperX 16 GB 3200 MHz CL16 DDR4
GPU: ASUS ROG Strix GTX 1070 OC
SSD: Samsung PM961 256 GB
x2 WD HDDs 500 GB
PSU: Corsair TX550m

None of these parts have warranties anymore. The first four components are from 3 years ago, while everything else except the HDDs are from my old PC from 5-6 years ago.

Publicado originalmente por Illusion of Progress:
Your first course of action should be to check event viewer. If it's a BSOD, it will tell you. And if it is a BSOD, this is where you'll get any information that may help you troubleshoot it. If it's not a BSOD, you've narrowed that out and know you're actually dealing with a true "random restart" which is nine times out of ten an electrical issue, if not a thermal one (random number, and it's probably higher than this if anything).

I can confirm it's not a BSOD.

Publicado originalmente por Illusion of Progress:
I'm not going to question why the PC was outside, but did it stay out there? If so, again... won't even question why, but knowing both that, and that you describe the battery as having leaked and it being "hefty" inside (this means what?), then I'd honestly be starting with a new PSU and motherboard and seeing what else can be salvaged (CPU, GPU, and storage might have a decent chance of being good). Before jumping to those, if you other RAM you can test, you can do so.

I could try testing the memory slots with a different kit. I also have another PSU around to test the PC with.

After getting a closer inspection, most of the motherboard is clean from residue. However, I've noticed a small amount of residue on the PCB around the CMOS slot area, as well as a little bit between the 24-pin connector to the CMOS slot. Oh and by hefty I meant the amount of dirt and dust the PC collected throughout the spring, being left outside like that.

Publicado originalmente por Illusion of Progress:
No, one DIMM of RAM won't cause random restarts. As long as the remaining DIMM is indeed good, then that's not the issue.

Good!
emoticorpse 5 AGO 2023 a las 2:12 p. m. 
I'm still confused on what exactly is happening with the pc? does it consistently boot into Windows? Consistently fail to boot? can you get into bios and stay in there playing around for a while?

If you can get into bios and stay in there for a while and also get into Windows but it crashes have you tried a bootable Linux iso?

I would kind of assume it is hardware regardless, but knowing the answers to these questions would be helpful. Not sure if I missed them and they're already answered.
Jinn-Gon Qui 5 AGO 2023 a las 2:23 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por emoticorpse:
I'm still confused on what exactly is happening with the pc? does it consistently boot into Windows? Consistently fail to boot? can you get into bios and stay in there playing around for a while?

If you can get into bios and stay in there for a while and also get into Windows but it crashes have you tried a bootable Linux iso?

I would kind of assume it is hardware regardless, but knowing the answers to these questions would be helpful. Not sure if I missed them and they're already answered.

It boots into Windows/restarts every couple of minutes to a couple of hours. It doesn't fail to boot.

I can try to just remain within the BIOS and see if anything changes... I don't have Linux, though.

The main issue hasn't exactly been determined yet, but most of the comments suggest it's a PSU/hardware/power issue, given that I've done probably everything one can on the software end of the spectrum, up to reinstalling Windows itself, and nothing was resolved. So I'm left with trying a different PSU, as well as a different memory kit.
emoticorpse 5 AGO 2023 a las 2:27 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jinn-Gon Qui:
Publicado originalmente por emoticorpse:
I'm still confused on what exactly is happening with the pc? does it consistently boot into Windows? Consistently fail to boot? can you get into bios and stay in there playing around for a while?

If you can get into bios and stay in there for a while and also get into Windows but it crashes have you tried a bootable Linux iso?

I would kind of assume it is hardware regardless, but knowing the answers to these questions would be helpful. Not sure if I missed them and they're already answered.

It boots into Windows/restarts every couple of minutes to a couple of hours. It doesn't fail to boot.

I can try to just remain within the BIOS and see if anything changes... I don't have Linux, though.

The main issue hasn't exactly been determined yet, but most of the comments suggest it's a PSU/hardware/power issue, given that I've done probably everything one can on the software end of the spectrum, up to reinstalling Windows itself, and nothing was resolved. So I'm left with trying a different PSU, as well as a different memory kit.

As far as Linux, you can quickly make a bootable iso so you don't have to go through the hassle of like installing/wiping a drive/partition. Just boot off the usb/cd or whichever and you're basically on it and use it for a little while and check for stability. If it crashes/reboots/freezes there then it's almost definitely hardware. If you could use that Linux os for a long time and you pretty much never get a reboot, then there's a chance it has something to do with Windows being corrupted or just something with Windows not working well with a newly introduced hardware issue that Linux can handle.
Illusion of Progress 5 AGO 2023 a las 4:26 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Jinn-Gon Qui:
I can confirm it's not a BSOD.
This helps, and is a good example of what I meant by elaborate on the random restarts, but further context such as how often, when they appear (truly random?) might narrow it further. For example, what if you sit in the BIOS? Does it ever restart then? (Or is it too infrequent to realistically wait for that?)

So we know it's not a BSOD, but does event viewer show anything? I would expect Event ID 41 in this case and that's expected so don't pay it much mind (it just means "Windows detected the prior shutdown was not expected"). What I'm interested in is if these are alone though, or if there's other (perhaps consistent) major logs before/during the time of the restarts. It it's alone, it points more to "nothing is going south" software-wise, and there really is just some really bad electrical issue somewhere.

(Do note that Event ID 41 itself gets logged on the next startup after an improper shutdown and not during the restart itself [Windows has no time], so if these following startup happens well after the prior shutdown, take that into account when looking at times to try and reference a time frame.)

I'd expect the CPU to be good but that's purely a guess. They seem pretty robust in my experience.

I'd expect the same of the GPU and storage but with less confidence than of the CPU.

The PSU and motherboard are the likeliest I would think given the symptoms.
Publicado originalmente por Jinn-Gon Qui:
I could try testing the memory slots with a different kit. I also have another PSU around to test the PC with.
Very helpful! Do both of those. Perhaps individually first.

RAM is probably easier to try first but if your prior troubleshooting is correct that the existing RAM (at least one of them) is good then your RAM might not change anything. But worth a try due to how easy and fast it is (expect it to possibly need to retrain/restart a few times with the new RAM and that is normal).

Be sure to test in multiple DIMM slots if needed. Some RAM slots themselves could be bad and make it appear like RAM is bad.

I'd try your known working RAM and if that fails change the PSU.

If it still is bad, and you can't rule out the CPU or storage or GPU without buying new ones, I'd honestly go straight to the motherboard. But if you have a different GPU or storage to test it rules them out too. I'd honestly skip suspecting the CPU and while it's not impossible I'd be surprised if it was bad (watch it be this and nothing else now).
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