Water cooling
Does it need any maintenance ?

Like AIOs for CPUs or water cooled video cards ?

What happens if it breaks ? What the worst that could happen?
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i find it kinda ironic that the Liquid Cooling, needs 7 fans to keep the computer on tempature....

considering i only use a cpu fan and two back of case fans, and a small exhaust fan on the top.

why do you need 7 case fans and a liquid cooling system, it seems like a huge burden of power draw and more for looks then actual system cooling. the case fans are doing all the work.
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i find it kinda ironic that the Liquid Cooling, needs 7 fans to keep the computer on tempature....

considering i only use a cpu fan and two back of case fans, and a small exhaust fan on the top.

why do you need 7 case fans and a liquid cooling system, it seems like a huge burden of power draw and more for looks then actual system cooling. the case fans are doing all the work.


When I built my Swiftech system a decade ago, all I had was 2 fans on the rad, 1 intake fan and 2 exhausts. Cpu temps were in the 20s celcius.
My current system just uses a Hyper212 and I need better case fans as I just grabbed the more affordable ones at the time.
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i find it kinda ironic that the Liquid Cooling, needs 7 fans to keep the computer on tempature....

considering i only use a cpu fan and two back of case fans, and a small exhaust fan on the top.

why do you need 7 case fans and a liquid cooling system, it seems like a huge burden of power draw and more for looks then actual system cooling. the case fans are doing all the work.
...Because liquid isn't the main cooling component, its primary function is transferring heat, the same kind of principle of heat pipes on an air cooler. Without a similar fan setup as you would have with an air cooler, the system would shut off at heavy load due to temperatures getting too high.

The whole point of using liquid coolers is because liquids like water have a much higher heat capacity than metals, meaning it can absorb several times more energy before increasing in temperature by a single degree. In simple terms, it takes longer for liquid cooled components to heat up compared to simple convection coolers. Air cooler manufacturers have to get smarter with their designs to make it compete well with liquid cooling options because the latter just performs better, and for quite some time there weren't any really cheap air coolers that could handle modern CPUs as well as a good AIO. Thermalright and Deepcool are changing that because they make their own products now with little to no outsourcing, so they can keep their prices low. Thermalright's Peerless Assassin coolers in particular take swings at Noctua's NH-D15 for a fraction of the price for example, and they can even beat Noctua for less, Noctua has to step up their game now.
well the fact that processors today have twice the wattage as well, i think the most recent CPU's are pushing 105 watts, while ones from several years ago where only at 60 watts.

That increase in wattage is gonna equal to higher heat tempatures. would it be smart to take one of those cooling packs, and run it on your radiator? to future disipate the heat from the coolant, they seem to be basicly mini fridge packs, and if set right you could directly vent the heat outwards away from the computer with another heatsink and fan and not compromise any chips.
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well the fact that processors today have twice the wattage as well, i think the most recent CPU's are pushing 105 watts, while ones from several years ago where only at 60 watts.

That increase in wattage is gonna equal to higher heat tempatures. would it be smart to take one of those cooling packs, and run it on your radiator? to future disipate the heat from the coolant, they seem to be basicly mini fridge packs, and if set right you could directly vent the heat outwards away from the computer with another heatsink and fan and not compromise any chips.
AMD and Intel have been making CPUs running well over 60 watts for a long time, actually. TDP is not a measurement of maximum power usage, it differs based on the brand.

Intel TDP = advertised as power draw in a theoretical maximum load
AMD TDP = based on thermal watts rather than electrical watts

Ice packs tend to produce condensation, putting those in a PC would be completely stupid and wouldn't give any measurable benefit over fans.
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mini fridge

Well, some people have turned mini fridges into PCs.
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i find it kinda ironic that the Liquid Cooling, needs 7 fans to keep the computer on tempature....

considering i only use a cpu fan and two back of case fans, and a small exhaust fan on the top.

why do you need 7 case fans and a liquid cooling system, it seems like a huge burden of power draw and more for looks then actual system cooling. the case fans are doing all the work.

Custom water cooling is partly about looks no doubt. The fact is water cools better, and my temps are lower than any on air for both CPU and GPU and it is silent, both idle and gaming. The 3080 was far from silent once the fans kicked in with a load on it. The heat is dumped out of the case, not into it also. 3 or 400 watt of heat dumping into the case, no thank you.
It was my choice to spend so much on the cooling, but when i have spent so much on the rest it didn't really bother me too much. I could just upgrade on the fly, better GPU, 4080/90, better CPU, 13700/900k, but i'll only do that for a major jump, to ice lake maybe as my overall PC performs great, and have had zero bsods since dec 21 when i built it.

If you have the cash and the time imo a custom loop is the best cooling for your rig.
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Noctua NF-A12x25 PWM

Know of a cheaper alternative? For 3 of those, it comes to $113CAD.

I just bought Noctua fans as i like them, and no RGB on them. I'm not sure about other fans, but just get half decent branded ones, they don't have to be 30$cad a fan
There are custom units that will last 10+ years, and the only maintenance are the tube connections as customs will use stainless steel or composite elbows. I prefer the GPU vertically mounted away from the liquid CPU cooler. The GPU would not be the most expensive hardware in the case, I would mount that thing vertically in a liquid cooled system.
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There are custom units that will last 10+ years, and the only maintenance are the tube connections as customs will use stainless steel or composite elbows. I prefer the GPU vertically mounted away from the liquid CPU cooler. The GPU would not be the most expensive hardware in the case, I would mount that thing vertically in a liquid cooled system.

Had mine vertical, but changed it for 2 reasons-
1 it traps bubbles that are very hard to clear without tilting my probably 20+KG case around.
2 it covers the bottom of the board blocking access to the NVME slots and bottom headers.

It just works better flat, though it might not look as good as vertical. I left it like this for practical reasons and not aesthetic ones.

Most fittings are copper or brass with some sort of plating on. I have a lot of fittings but no composite ones at all. I don't seem to have a problem with galvanic corrosion, though i do know some AIO's do suffer pretty badly from it.
Laatst bewerkt door TIGGER; 22 jul 2023 om 12:21
I wish my Water-cooled rigs only weighed 20KG, my new case alone is 33KG so i'm expecting close to 50 once it's built.

I don't mind about it taking a while to bleed and if you just leave it running for a few days it will bleed itself 9 times out of 10 so no need to be tilting anything, just, don't have the system powered during this process.

As for which fans, you don't need any of the fancy stuff, frankly, a £10 fan will do more than a good enough job for years.

It's only really when it comes to rgb that cheap fans tdnd to be a bad buy as the leds gave a tendabcy to fail.
I got the weight wrong, my 7000D is 19.5 kilos. I'll stick it on the scales later and find out the weight. I struggle to lift it though.
Got a pic of yours?
I dont really like RGB fans, only have the lian li linked ones on the front. All radiator fans are the noctua NF A12x25 they are pretty good for rads, not fussed if they are expensive as they are quality fans.
As for bleeding I jump the PSU, but not waiting days for it to bleed. I just do a leak check for an hour then let it bleed on the fly. Always done it this way and never had no problems
Laatst bewerkt door TIGGER; 22 jul 2023 om 23:35
I getting over the flu right now so no pics yet, but previous builds are on my proifile.
New build is in the phantek enthoo elite, looking to be 3 480 x 45 rads with a 360 x 30 using lianli sl120 uni fans.

I use an entirely seperate psu to prime and leak test my systems for 24 hours, while 99% of leaks will show up within minutes, I have had an entire tube connected with triple I rings pop off after nearly 4 hours of testing, luckily, I was there when it happened, but still made a mess!
Laatst bewerkt door Monk; 23 jul 2023 om 12:15
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I getting over the flu right now so no pics yet, but previous builds are on my proifile.
New build is in the phantek enthoo elite, looking to be 3 480 x 45 rads with a 360 x 30 using lianli sl120 uni fans.

I use an entirely seperate psu to prime and leak test my systems for 24 hours, while 99% of leaks will show up within minutes, I have had an entire tube connected with triple I rings pop off after nearly 4 hours of testing, luckily, I was there when it happened, but still made a mess!

I don't use hard line no more after a disaster. I feel far safer with 16mm soft EK black and compression's, that really can't leak.
Had to switch pumps though recently as my EK G3 D5 has a badly balanced rotor, so switched to a EK DDC 4.2, that has ridiculous flow on 100% with my loop.
I'm happy with my loop and temps are sweet, so the the 360x60 and 360x45 rads do a great job.
You really need so much rad for your loop?

I have 4x uni's on the front just blowing in, but don't use them on rads as i think the Noctua 12x25 PWM are much better.
Laatst bewerkt door TIGGER; 24 jul 2023 om 9:58
need? no.
want, yes.

its mainly for silent operation at all times even heavily overclocked, that and i like the looks.

um going with soft tubing this time, love the look of hardline, just not the time and expense.
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