I won't be upgrading to Windows 10+

[Froggy101]

I am using Windows 7, and I will not be upgrading past that. I will not be subjected to Microsoft being my nanny; monitoring every keystroke and collecting every bit of data on me so it can be monetized. Not to mentioned Windows 10/11 runs like garbage and is a bloated hot mess (probably because all the bandwidth and CPU time it steals to collect your data and send it back home to the mothership). I am fine with never playing any new games that rely on newer versions of Direct X. There are plenty of other options.

However, every game I've bought thus far via Steam was specifically advertised as being supported on Windows 7, and if Steam proclaims I am no longer allowed to play these games unless I upgrade my OS, I expect a full refund for everything I've ever purchased via Steam.

I realize there are a bunch of frothy-mouthed bootlickers on here--people whose tongues are chaffed from spending all their time polishing leather; I also realize there are a lot of bots and shills here whose only purpose is to gaslight you are parrot the company line--that being said, I also know there are a lot of folks on here who think like I do, and if any of you know of any resources (such as a class action lawsuit or something in the works), or emails and/or addresses of Steam employees we can contact (or numbers where you can talk to an actual human being), I'd be up for that information if you care to share. To the gaslighters and bootlickers: your comments will be ignored so don't waste your time.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bad 💀 Motha:

Początkowo opublikowane przez plat:

That will be the pits. Far as I'm concerned, I can stay on Windows 10 indefinitely.

But one thing I place my faith in is those who are committed to whittling down Micro's overbearing, suffocating presence on our computers. If my current modifications for telemetry no longer work in 11 and 12, I'll pay good money to find something that will.

ShutUp10 works just fine in Win11.
But yes there are tons of other tweak methods.

What the OP states is just uneducated BS and I'm really tired of seeing how so many PC users really think like this. Stop crying snd educated yourselves on how to tweak the OS. It's not hard to turn off pretty much everything you don't like or to tweak the explorer bar or start menu for example. Or disable most other things.

It's just that now, more stuff we might not like is enabled by default is all. Again it's not like you can't turn stuff off.

Avoid using Win10/11 Home Edition. Use Pro or Enterprise

Could also take it a step further (with Windows 10) and use AME Wizard to completely gut all of the bloatware and other junk by turning 10 into Atlas. But there's risks involved since it can potentially brick the OS install and it's intended to be used on a fresh install.

Does help performance on weak systems though, more so with less than 4C/8T CPUs.

[Doc_Gonzo]

I was concerned about the bloatware and 'telemetry' collection crap in Windows 11 but I found a good way of customising the Win 11 ISO.

Using a program called NTLite (free!) I was able to disable everything I did not want and also add in the WiFi drivers for my AM5 board.

There is a good tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmGk-AAo3EQ&t=5s

[N0REGARD4LIFE]

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[Bad 💀 Motha]

I asked an A.I. Bot just to play around and see what it comes up with.

My question:
Would a class-action lawsuit work against Valve Corporation for forcing us to upgrade our personal computer operating system?


AI feedback:
According to www.iAsk.ai Ask Ai Search Engine:

A class-action lawsuit against Valve Corporation for forcing users to upgrade their personal computer operating system would likely face several challenges. It is important to note that I am an AI language model and not a legal expert, but I can provide some insights based on general knowledge.

Legal Considerations:
To determine the viability of a class-action lawsuit, several legal considerations need to be taken into account:

1. Terms of Service Agreement: When users sign up for Valve's services, they typically agree to a Terms of Service (ToS) agreement. This agreement often includes clauses regarding software updates and system requirements. If users agreed to these terms, it might be challenging to argue that Valve is forcing them to upgrade their operating systems against their will.

2. User Consent: Users have the option to decline software updates or choose not to use Valve's services altogether if they do not wish to upgrade their operating systems. The argument could be made that by continuing to use Valve's services, users are implicitly consenting to the system requirements imposed by the company.

3. Software Compatibility: Software developers often release updates to ensure compatibility with newer operating systems and take advantage of new features and technologies. If Valve's software requires specific operating system versions due to technical reasons, it may be difficult to argue that this requirement is unreasonable or unjust.

4. Consumer Protection Laws: Consumer protection laws vary by jurisdiction, and it would depend on the specific laws in place whether Valve's actions could be considered unfair or deceptive trade practices. However, it is worth noting that companies generally have the right to set system requirements for their software products.

5. Damages: To succeed in a class-action lawsuit, plaintiffs typically need to demonstrate that they have suffered harm or damages as a result of the defendant's actions. It may be challenging for plaintiffs to prove significant harm caused solely by being required to upgrade their operating systems.

Top 3 Authoritative Reference Publications or Domain Names:
1. Valve Corporation's Terms of Service Agreement: Reviewing Valve's ToS agreement would provide specific information on the terms users agree to when using their services.
2. Consumer Protection Laws in Relevant Jurisdiction: Understanding the consumer protection laws in the jurisdiction where the lawsuit would be filed is crucial to assessing the legal viability of such a case.
3. Legal Opinions and Precedents: Consulting legal experts, scholarly articles, or case law related to similar situations could provide insights into how courts have ruled on similar cases in the past.

Please note that this response is based on general legal knowledge and should not be considered as legal advice. It is always recommended to consult with a qualified attorney for specific legal concerns or questions.

[r.linder]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Bad 💀 Motha:

I asked an A.I. Bot just to play around and see what it comes up with.

My question:
Would a class-action lawsuit work against Valve Corporation for forcing us to upgrade our personal computer operating system?


AI feedback:
According to www.iAsk.ai Ask Ai Search Engine:

A class-action lawsuit against Valve Corporation for forcing users to upgrade their personal computer operating system would likely face several challenges. It is important to note that I am an AI language model and not a legal expert, but I can provide some insights based on general knowledge.

Legal Considerations:
To determine the viability of a class-action lawsuit, several legal considerations need to be taken into account:

1. Terms of Service Agreement: When users sign up for Valve's services, they typically agree to a Terms of Service (ToS) agreement. This agreement often includes clauses regarding software updates and system requirements. If users agreed to these terms, it might be challenging to argue that Valve is forcing them to upgrade their operating systems against their will.

2. User Consent: Users have the option to decline software updates or choose not to use Valve's services altogether if they do not wish to upgrade their operating systems. The argument could be made that by continuing to use Valve's services, users are implicitly consenting to the system requirements imposed by the company.

3. Software Compatibility: Software developers often release updates to ensure compatibility with newer operating systems and take advantage of new features and technologies. If Valve's software requires specific operating system versions due to technical reasons, it may be difficult to argue that this requirement is unreasonable or unjust.

4. Consumer Protection Laws: Consumer protection laws vary by jurisdiction, and it would depend on the specific laws in place whether Valve's actions could be considered unfair or deceptive trade practices. However, it is worth noting that companies generally have the right to set system requirements for their software products.

5. Damages: To succeed in a class-action lawsuit, plaintiffs typically need to demonstrate that they have suffered harm or damages as a result of the defendant's actions. It may be challenging for plaintiffs to prove significant harm caused solely by being required to upgrade their operating systems.

Top 3 Authoritative Reference Publications or Domain Names:
1. Valve Corporation's Terms of Service Agreement: Reviewing Valve's ToS agreement would provide specific information on the terms users agree to when using their services.
2. Consumer Protection Laws in Relevant Jurisdiction: Understanding the consumer protection laws in the jurisdiction where the lawsuit would be filed is crucial to assessing the legal viability of such a case.
3. Legal Opinions and Precedents: Consulting legal experts, scholarly articles, or case law related to similar situations could provide insights into how courts have ruled on similar cases in the past.

Please note that this response is based on general legal knowledge and should not be considered as legal advice. It is always recommended to consult with a qualified attorney for specific legal concerns or questions.

The lawyers that would even take that case and pretend to be on their side just add insult to injury too since they're probably setting it up so they get paid even if they lose

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Not only that but entering into such a lawsuit, you'd be lucky to get $1-10 back even if they did win and/or settle for a $ amount to give out to those affected. Is that even worth the time or trouble? It's the scummy lawyer teams who get paid in the end, not you all.

They just had a major class-action lawsuit against Google for privacy violations. For the average user it's not worth entering into that as a person affected by the issue that took place. As you'd be lucky to get between approx $0.17 cents - $7 was the going average last time I checked.

Probably the only decent consumer class-action lawsuit in this industry I've seen in the past 20 years was one against ATI; for false advertising claims with regards to HDCP Compliance. That suit I took part in and the consumers won. What did we get if we qualified? A new GPU replacement, years later mind you. While that was fine I guess, I would have rather had the money.

[Der tüddelige Fußgänger]

TBH Windows 10 and 11 aren't even slow as long as you don't use a terribly old computer or run 500 background tasks like your average school does.

I said it in another forum about Windows 7 losing support and I'll say it again:

Windows 7 is a 14 year old OS which was abandoned by its creators, incapable of booting on modern hardware. There are more than enough alternatives, GNU/Linux, MacOS, BSD, Windows 10/11 with some privacy hacks (though Win 10 is 8 years old already). Windows 7 had it's time to shine and this time is over.

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Illusion of Progress:

These threads really are going to come on repeat and get dragged into 2024, aren't they?

Right on time they start dying down, Windows 10 will be next to lose support and we can spin the song and dance right back up with it?

These threads will continue until there won't be any browsers on Windows 7 which will let users access the Steam forums, because of the outdated browser.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Change is hard for some people.

[plat]

Well, I bet some of the extreme reluctance is based on those horror stories back then where people's machines simply died after "upgrading."

I mean: it doesn't have to be uppermost in your mind to make you not want to install a later OS.

You can't "make" someone update his/her system. That's another waste of time: preaching to someone who doesn't want any part of it.

[Illusion of Progress]

Początkowo opublikowane przez plat:

That will be the pits. Far as I'm concerned, I can stay on Windows 10 indefinitely.

Eventually we'll all have to move on from it, same as the rest.

I said the same with Windows 7, to avoid Windows 8/10 as long as I could, and I used it right up until loss of support and then a bit beyond that.

It's three years later and it's only started losing real usability in that time. nVidia stopped supporting it with graphics drivers (has AMD or Intel?), browsers are dropping it, and now Steam. I'm expecting eventually stuff like Minecraft, League of Legends, etc. will too. It's literally dying, like all OSes do once Microsoft drops support and the user count gets so low it's worth cutting off.

Windows 10 will be usable for the foreseeable future, but not forever. This same process will begin with it starting in a couple of years.

[Tiberius]

Ok

[plat]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Illusion of Progress:

Początkowo opublikowane przez plat:

That will be the pits. Far as I'm concerned, I can stay on Windows 10 indefinitely.

Eventually we'll all have to move on from it, same as the rest.

Yup, this is true, if you insist to run Windows, you have to prepare to update eventually, it's inevitable.

I will formally update to 11 when I'm ready, not a minute before. I've run it in beta since 2 years now and it's been ready for prime time practically since day 1--albeit with some issues. This is more on principle and no one else has to agree.

I just despise Microsoft and the way it goes about things concerning YOUR property. But like Valve, ain't much you can do unless you have an alternative.

[GOD RAYS ON ULTRA™]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Froggy101:

I am using Windows 7, and I will not be upgrading past that. I will not be subjected to Microsoft being my nanny; monitoring every keystroke and collecting every bit of data on me so it can be monetized. Not to mentioned Windows 10/11 runs like garbage and is a bloated hot mess (probably because all the bandwidth and CPU time it steals to collect your data and send it back home to the mothership). I am fine with never playing any new games that rely on newer versions of Direct X. There are plenty of other options.

However, every game I've bought thus far via Steam was specifically advertised as being supported on Windows 7, and if Steam proclaims I am no longer allowed to play these games unless I upgrade my OS, I expect a full refund for everything I've ever purchased via Steam.

I realize there are a bunch of frothy-mouthed bootlickers on here--people whose tongues are chaffed from spending all their time polishing leather; I also realize there are a lot of bots and shills here whose only purpose is to gaslight you are parrot the company line--that being said, I also know there are a lot of folks on here who think like I do, and if any of you know of any resources (such as a class action lawsuit or something in the works), or emails and/or addresses of Steam employees we can contact (or numbers where you can talk to an actual human being), I'd be up for that information if you care to share. To the gaslighters and bootlickers: your comments will be ignored so don't waste your time.

LMAO!! you talk tough now but that red banner at the top of your screen is no joke homes. It tells you exactly how many days you have left and no amount of crying and insulting and stomping your feet will change that ;)

[lailaamell]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Froggy101:

I am using Windows 7, and I will not be upgrading past that. I will not be subjected to Microsoft being my nanny; monitoring every keystroke and collecting every bit of data on me so it can be monetized. Not to mentioned Windows 10/11 runs like garbage and is a bloated hot mess (probably because all the bandwidth and CPU time it steals to collect your data and send it back home to the mothership). I am fine with never playing any new games that rely on newer versions of Direct X. There are plenty of other options.

However, every game I've bought thus far via Steam was specifically advertised as being supported on Windows 7, and if Steam proclaims I am no longer allowed to play these games unless I upgrade my OS, I expect a full refund for everything I've ever purchased via Steam.

I realize there are a bunch of frothy-mouthed bootlickers on here--people whose tongues are chaffed from spending all their time polishing leather; I also realize there are a lot of bots and shills here whose only purpose is to gaslight you are parrot the company line--that being said, I also know there are a lot of folks on here who think like I do, and if any of you know of any resources (such as a class action lawsuit or something in the works), or emails and/or addresses of Steam employees we can contact (or numbers where you can talk to an actual human being), I'd be up for that information if you care to share. To the gaslighters and bootlickers: your comments will be ignored so don't waste your time.

then sue maybe you win and can make it illegal to not support every os

[Illusion of Progress]

Początkowo opublikowane przez plat:

I will formally update to 11 when I'm ready, not a minute before. I've run it in beta since 2 years now and it's been ready for prime time practically since day 1--albeit with some issues. This is more on principle and no one else has to agree.

I just despise Microsoft and the way it goes about things concerning YOUR property. But like Valve, ain't much you can do unless you have an alternative.

Oh, I very much agree with this part. I wasn't suggesting that you, specifically, should update now.

I was just saying that hitching a wagon to a particular operating system version (and this goes for outside Windows, too) isn't going to last one well in the long term.