RTX 4060, slower than a 3060Ti

[Cathulhu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0sfOb_sVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0srjKOOR4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmcrikP7ALA

This thing is a waste of money and rare metals.

Man, the time where nVidia made actually good cards are really over, huh? Unless you want ABSOLUTE HIGH END. That's where nVidia still rules, but below high end? Not a good value proposition.

[emoticorpse]

For people who enjoy DLSS 3 it is very well worth the money no? At this point though I can't tell if DLSS 3 is a win or fail because I hardly hear anyone talking about it. People might be enjoying it though instead of hating on it.

[Cathulhu]

DLSS3 is still a crutch that sacrifices image quality and accuracy to cover for the lack of computing performance. And the game must support it. If it doesn't, you simply have a weak videocard and a poor experience.

See this in depth explanation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUTsE1q1bYI

[aka]

CPU AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5995WX
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*マイクを落とす*

[Cathulhu]

And how does this contribute to the topic?
I think you posted in the wrong thread.

The showoff thread is here:
https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/11/882959061531393301/

[Rod]

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Rod a écrit :

Consumers are in total control of the pricing and twice were warned. The first warning was when they tried selling monitors that were 1440p 27inch for 899 when 24 inch 1080p was around 300. I called out forced overselling and warned that a doubling of pricing was going to be permament if they made the mistake. And lo and behold many a gamer bought a high priced 1440p panel. And now the standard pricing for 1440p 240hz is 1000 dollars lol. Who did that? Gamers and now many manufacturers abandoned 24 inch and now they are all in the market for bigger panels as bigger panels mean more profit margin. The result? CEOs win a game of chicken and now forced upselling of expensive high profit 1440p panels is the market norm. All gamers had to do was say no and wait as some of these products thier manufacturerd for half the MSRP lol!


As for the graphics card segment, The same happened we warned against buying 2080 super and 3000 series and now the gamers have instead of waiting for prices to fall simply bought them as thier excuse was i needed a gpu. Define need when by paying that price it sent a signal to the Nvidia CEO that gamers have too much cash and too little patience to play a game of chicken and so they increased prices and gave less generational performance uplift and gamers still bought them. So they must be thinking wow, These gamers thier so desperate and will pay anything so we should capitalize on this and they are and so enjoy 4000 series being the new normal. Who to thank? The nearest 3000/4000 series owner.


PS for clarity, I have a regular 2000 series GPU and instead bought a 7800X3D until prices come down and will continue my boycott until at least 2024. The situation CAN be changed and the war is not lost people just have to learn to wait and demand a fair price and they have to sell to us or go bankrupt we will not lose anything but they can lose a lot.

Can’t blame people for not noticing warnings from nobodies on the internet. A lot of topics preached by major tech journalists with millions of viewers go unnoticed.

What you’re doing is shifting blame to consumers alone for supposedly enabling that behaviour, but it’s a fault of the entire system we live under that allows greedy corporations to price hike in the first place. Stop attacking your fellow consumers and focus your hate on the corporations, if you attack consumers, they’re just going to ignore you because all you do is discredit yourself when you basically call everyone idiots for buying an Nvidia video card.

How can i blame Nvidia for trying? Can i blame a Fox for eating a Chicken? What should we say when the Chicken leaps into the mouth of the Fox? You blame the person who allows it rather than tries it as you can always say no. Gamers fully deserver to be ripped into for buying 4000 series and i couldnt care less what they think about that either because now i have to spend extra money i could spend on other hobbys thanks to them.


As for Nvidia... Well what can i say about Predatory Capitalism that has not been said? They are headed by a guy who completely believes that there are less GPUs sold because of crypto/ pandemic rather than accept there are less sold because they have turned the market on its head with record high prices and record low perforlance gains. He is basically lying to shareholders and telling them the reason i still have a 2000 series GPU is because of a downturn when in reality i want to buy a 4080/4090 but will not pay the MSRP a fair price for the parts is 700/1000 not 1100/1600. And no it is not always about money it is about self respect and values as well.

[AbedsBrother]

emoticorpse a écrit :

For people who enjoy DLSS 3 it is very well worth the money no? At this point though I can't tell if DLSS 3 is a win or fail because I hardly hear anyone talking about it. People might be enjoying it though instead of hating on it.

DLSS3 increases frame-rate WITHOUT reducing response-time. The response time will be equal to whatever the base, un-modified (pre-DLSS) render has. So if 60fps has a response time of ~17ms, DLSS3 can convert the 60 fps to 120 (or higher) depending on the setting, but the response time will still be ~17ms. Which means if you're playing Cyberpunk w/ raytracing at 30fps, and use DLSS3 to boost your fps to 75, the response times will still be the same as for a game played at 30fps. (that's how I understand it, anyway)

Point is, DLSS3's frame generation makes it easier to get rid of screen tearing, and that's about it. But we already have variable-refresh monitors for that, so... DLSS3 is largely useless. And Nvidia based their entire marketing strategy for the 4xxx-series on the relevance of DLSS3, when it has none. Which is why hardly anyone talks about it.

[Rod]

AbedsBrother a écrit :

emoticorpse a écrit :

For people who enjoy DLSS 3 it is very well worth the money no? At this point though I can't tell if DLSS 3 is a win or fail because I hardly hear anyone talking about it. People might be enjoying it though instead of hating on it.

DLSS3 increases frame-rate WITHOUT reducing response-time. The response time will be equal to whatever the base, un-modified (pre-DLSS) render has. So if 60fps has a response time of ~17ms, DLSS3 can convert the 60 fps to 120 (or higher) depending on the setting, but the response time will still be ~17ms. Which means if you're playing Cyberpunk w/ raytracing at 30fps, and use DLSS3 to boost your fps to 75, the response times will still be the same as for a game played at 30fps. (that's how I understand it, anyway)

Point is, DLSS3's frame generation makes it easier to get rid of screen tearing, and that's about it. But we already have variable-refresh monitors for that, so... DLSS3 is largely useless. And Nvidia based their entire marketing strategy for the 4xxx-series on the relevance of DLSS3, when it has none. Which is why hardly anyone talks about it.

I would make good use of it on a 240hz display as any additional frames over the 120fps i normally demand would be beneficial in SP games. Because there is no latency benefit and its fake its useless for competetive shooters so would be going for 240fps with dlss off and would rather use dlaa instead and get the real 4ms latency instead of the 8ms i would of had with dlss 3. If millions of people run around using DLSS 3.0 thats a nice advantage of 4ms over them.

[r.linder]

Rod a écrit :

尺．し工几句ヨ尺 a écrit :

Can’t blame people for not noticing warnings from nobodies on the internet. A lot of topics preached by major tech journalists with millions of viewers go unnoticed.

What you’re doing is shifting blame to consumers alone for supposedly enabling that behaviour, but it’s a fault of the entire system we live under that allows greedy corporations to price hike in the first place. Stop attacking your fellow consumers and focus your hate on the corporations, if you attack consumers, they’re just going to ignore you because all you do is discredit yourself when you basically call everyone idiots for buying an Nvidia video card.

How can i blame Nvidia for trying? Can i blame a Fox for eating a Chicken? What should we say when the Chicken leaps into the mouth of the Fox? You blame the person who allows it rather than tries it as you can always say no. Gamers fully deserver to be ripped into for buying 4000 series and i couldnt care less what they think about that either because now i have to spend extra money i could spend on other hobbys thanks to them.


As for Nvidia... Well what can i say about Predatory Capitalism that has not been said? They are headed by a guy who completely believes that there are less GPUs sold because of crypto/ pandemic rather than accept there are less sold because they have turned the market on its head with record high prices and record low perforlance gains. He is basically lying to shareholders and telling them the reason i still have a 2000 series GPU is because of a downturn when in reality i want to buy a 4080/4090 but will not pay the MSRP a fair price for the parts is 700/1000 not 1100/1600. And no it is not always about money it is about self respect and values as well.

Sue them then.

40 series is more power efficient so even though it’s not much of an improvement over 30 series below the 4080, it’s not that bad. The 4060 only needs a single 8-pin while the 3060 needed an extra 6, and they perform similarly, so for someone that doesn’t have a newer GPU, the 4060 isn’t that bad of a deal. It’s just disappointing as far as comparisons to the 3060.

And if you haven’t noticed, everything is more expensive these days. It’s not consumers that are to blame, it’s statistically greedy corporations that are responsible for the majority of rising inflation.

[ugafan]

Nvidia's naming shenanigans hurt them in the reviews. The 4070 ti should have been named the 4070. That moved everything up a tier in what the card was called.

Historically, this would have been the 50 series card. Compared to the 3050, it's amazing. Compared to the 3060, it's meh.

3050 cost $249 at launch. It's a 20 percent price increase over the previous generation.

[Rod]

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Rod a écrit :

How can i blame Nvidia for trying? Can i blame a Fox for eating a Chicken? What should we say when the Chicken leaps into the mouth of the Fox? You blame the person who allows it rather than tries it as you can always say no. Gamers fully deserver to be ripped into for buying 4000 series and i couldnt care less what they think about that either because now i have to spend extra money i could spend on other hobbys thanks to them.


As for Nvidia... Well what can i say about Predatory Capitalism that has not been said? They are headed by a guy who completely believes that there are less GPUs sold because of crypto/ pandemic rather than accept there are less sold because they have turned the market on its head with record high prices and record low perforlance gains. He is basically lying to shareholders and telling them the reason i still have a 2000 series GPU is because of a downturn when in reality i want to buy a 4080/4090 but will not pay the MSRP a fair price for the parts is 700/1000 not 1100/1600. And no it is not always about money it is about self respect and values as well.

Sue them then.

40 series is more power efficient so even though it’s not much of an improvement over 30 series below the 4080, it’s not that bad. The 4060 only needs a single 8-pin while the 3060 needed an extra 6, and they perform similarly, so for someone that doesn’t have a newer GPU, the 4060 isn’t that bad of a deal. It’s just disappointing as far as comparisons to the 3060.

And if you haven’t noticed, everything is more expensive these days. It’s not consumers that are to blame, it’s statistically greedy corporations that are responsible for the majority of rising inflation.

I like the 4000 series its just got a msrp that gives them needless profit margins of in excess of 50% they probably make a gpu for 40% of what it sells. Yea theres inflation in my country of 10 percent but having built a new pc and only missing the psu 7800x3d and x670e board my parts have been about the same as 2015. Some parts like the corsair 6000mhz c36 ddr5 cost £10 less than the ddr3 from 2015 and otherd cost the same its only AMD/Nvidia whos drunk on pandemic pricing.


Thus i will decline to sue and just run the 7800x3d with the 2000 series GPU and the 1000 i had set aside for a new gpu? Well it would of been in my opinion fair for a 4090 founder/blower edition? But i spent it on a OLED ultrawide to spite Nvidia. I got it for 889 so i got it for less than MSRP and thus i guess did ok by avoiding Nvidia.

[r.linder]

Rod a écrit :

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Sue them then.

40 series is more power efficient so even though it’s not much of an improvement over 30 series below the 4080, it’s not that bad. The 4060 only needs a single 8-pin while the 3060 needed an extra 6, and they perform similarly, so for someone that doesn’t have a newer GPU, the 4060 isn’t that bad of a deal. It’s just disappointing as far as comparisons to the 3060.

And if you haven’t noticed, everything is more expensive these days. It’s not consumers that are to blame, it’s statistically greedy corporations that are responsible for the majority of rising inflation.

I like the 4000 series its just got a msrp that gives them needless profit margins of in excess of 50% they probably make a gpu for 40% of what it sells. Yea theres inflation in my country of 10 percent but having built a new pc and only missing the psu 7800x3d and x670e board my parts have been about the same as 2015. Some parts like the corsair 6000mhz c36 ddr5 cost £10 less than the ddr3 from 2015 and otherd cost the same its only AMD/Nvidia whos drunk on pandemic pricing.


Thus i will decline to sue and just run the 7800x3d with the 2000 series GPU and the 1000 i had set aside for a new gpu? Well it would of been in my opinion fair for a 4090 founder/blower edition? But i spent it on a OLED ultrawide to spite Nvidia. I got it for 889 so i got it for less than MSRP and thus i guess did ok by avoiding Nvidia.

There was last competition before Covid as well, Radeon was an absolute joke until RDNA, if they had been keeping up sooner than pricing wouldn’t have been as low, because Nvidia hates losing.

They can afford to clown around now regardless because GPUs aren’t even their main source of profit anymore and their primary focus is on AI technology.

[Bob the Boomer]

I cannot wait for the 4030 1GB version

[JC]

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40 series is more power efficient so even though it’s not much of an improvement over 30 series below the 4080, it’s not that bad. The 4060 only needs a single 8-pin while the 3060 needed an extra 6, and they perform similarly, so for someone that doesn’t have a newer GPU, the 4060 isn’t that bad of a deal. It’s just disappointing as far as comparisons to the 3060.

See, Power, that is exactly why i have had my eye on this card, if i could get one for 200 i'd grab it in a hot second, but a the price it has me wondering if i should just keep waiting.

There is a 4070 GTX with 12 GB but it's a 200 power draw, so nearly double the 4060, It makes me think that the card i really want will be the 5000 series,, The 4070 numbers on a 125 Draw, the 4060 only has a 7w idle which is really nice as well.

I'm running a 1060 6GB, on a 10700/32gb system and honestly it really runs everything i need. I do need another card eventually, I had had been planing on adding a newer card and putting this 1060 back into my old I5 3050 that i run in my kitchen for streaming and looking up recipes. This card was suppose to just spread up my update. I'd like to pick up Midnight sun's and another game that has RT.


I'm just so torn, If i push it off another few years, i'd probably just build a whole new system and retire my computer i haveto my kitchen, but that would mean a whole new build which would mean tacking on another 800+, The 30 series is nice, but i don't want that huge power draw even if my PS can handle the 4070's..

Ugg why are things this hard lol

[r.linder]

JC a écrit :

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40 series is more power efficient so even though it’s not much of an improvement over 30 series below the 4080, it’s not that bad. The 4060 only needs a single 8-pin while the 3060 needed an extra 6, and they perform similarly, so for someone that doesn’t have a newer GPU, the 4060 isn’t that bad of a deal. It’s just disappointing as far as comparisons to the 3060.

See, Power, that is exactly why i have had my eye on this card, if i could get one for 200 i'd grab it in a hot second, but a the price it has me wondering if i should just keep waiting.

There is a 4070 GTX with 12 GB but it's a 200 power draw, so nearly double the 4060, It makes me think that the card i really want will be the 5000 series,, The 4070 numbers on a 125 Draw, the 4060 only has a 7w idle which is really nice as well.

I'm running a 1060 6GB, on a 10700/32gb system and honestly it really runs everything i need. I do need another card eventually, I had had been planing on adding a newer card and putting this 1060 back into my old I5 3050 that i run in my kitchen for streaming and looking up recipes. This card was suppose to just spread up my update. I'd like to pick up Midnight sun's and another game that has RT.


I'm just so torn, If i push it off another few years, i'd probably just build a whole new system and retire my computer i haveto my kitchen, but that would mean a whole new build which would mean tacking on another 800+, The 30 series is nice, but i don't want that huge power draw even if my PS can handle the 4070's..

Ugg why are things this hard lol

Well, the 4070 performs roughly around 80% faster and draws 40% more power. It's also a 12GB card while the 4060 is 8GB. 8GB can actually be insufficient, even at 1080p if you don't drop settings.

While the 4060 is more power efficient in terms of raw usage, the 4070 is more power efficient in terms of performance per watt, because even though it uses 40% more power, it wrings out easily 80% more performance (roughly, based on the difference between a 3060 and 3080) so it wins in efficiency by whatever performance percentile it wins over the 4060.

If you're still playing games on a 1080p 60Hz monitor, then you don't really need more than a 4060 anyway, but it wouldn't hurt that much to have a better card regardless, you just lose out on the full benefits of your hardware with such a weak monitor.

[lailaamell]

Duff a écrit :

I cannot wait for the 4030 1GB version

would be useless 1gb of vram is useless