RTX 4060, slower than a 3060Ti

[Cathulhu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0sfOb_sVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0srjKOOR4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmcrikP7ALA

This thing is a waste of money and rare metals.

Man, the time where nVidia made actually good cards are really over, huh? Unless you want ABSOLUTE HIGH END. That's where nVidia still rules, but below high end? Not a good value proposition.

[AmaiAmai]

All I can do is laugh because it's sad. I am glad the games I play aren't demanding.

S******** is going to be a nice show if they don't get it together. Such a shame. 2023 is a massive disappointment and I don't know how PC gamers will act when these newer games come out with poor performance.

Imagine paying 70 for 30FPS on a 4090...Oh my god...let me shut up.

[Illusion of Progress]

Originally posted by nullable:

It just makes we wonder if the age of easy performance increases is over.

I have this thought at times too, because I'm aware there definitely is hurdles in continually uplifting performance, but I've come to the opinion that's not the entire reason here.

In my opinion there's another big reason, and its the Pink elephant in the room. The current poor uplift is mostly due to AMD's inability to compete on raw performance (this includes ray tracing, but not only ray tracing). On nVidia's side, they have the capability to increase performance (the flagship RTX 4090 shows this), but they refuse to do so anywhere else because if your competition in a "duopoly" can't compete, not only do you only need to put out something marginally better, but you're actually enticed to do this to kept the "duopoloy" from becoming a literal monopoly. Isn't this great?

No, the reasons the uplifts are poor is because the x90 was introduced and bumped every other tier down. The x60 is more of what an x50 used to be, and so on.

It the uplifts stop, then game requirements would eventually stagnate, and the need to buy replacements would lessen, and the market would largely saturate around an eventual point. While that would be bad from the standpoint that progress would stop, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. But I doubt that's solely what's happening. I see gains. I just see them being withheld to be milked. nVidia's doing what Intel did a decade ago.

[ChickenBalls]

some games are unplayable at 1440p way worse than 3060 12GB
https://youtu.be/7ae7XrIbmao?t=679

[Rod]

The pc community is stupid and brought this upon themselves. Thier a source of mockery for many a ceo i bet.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Rod:

The pc community is stupid and brought this upon themselves. Thier a source of mockery for many a ceo i bet.

Yeah because blaming consumers for corporate decisions made despite them knowing the backlash that will ensue changes anything

[Shaggy]

Why I don't like Nvidia as a company.

[Rod]

Originally posted by 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Originally posted by Rod:

The pc community is stupid and brought this upon themselves. Thier a source of mockery for many a ceo i bet.

Yeah because blaming consumers for corporate decisions made despite them knowing the backlash that will ensue changes anything

Consumers are in total control of the pricing and twice were warned. The first warning was when they tried selling monitors that were 1440p 27inch for 899 when 24 inch 1080p was around 300. I called out forced overselling and warned that a doubling of pricing was going to be permament if they made the mistake. And lo and behold many a gamer bought a high priced 1440p panel. And now the standard pricing for 1440p 240hz is 1000 dollars lol. Who did that? Gamers and now many manufacturers abandoned 24 inch and now they are all in the market for bigger panels as bigger panels mean more profit margin. The result? CEOs win a game of chicken and now forced upselling of expensive high profit 1440p panels is the market norm. All gamers had to do was say no and wait as some of these products thier manufacturerd for half the MSRP lol!


As for the graphics card segment, The same happened we warned against buying 2080 super and 3000 series and now the gamers have instead of waiting for prices to fall simply bought them as thier excuse was i needed a gpu. Define need when by paying that price it sent a signal to the Nvidia CEO that gamers have too much cash and too little patience to play a game of chicken and so they increased prices and gave less generational performance uplift and gamers still bought them. So they must be thinking wow, These gamers thier so desperate and will pay anything so we should capitalize on this and they are and so enjoy 4000 series being the new normal. Who to thank? The nearest 3000/4000 series owner.


PS for clarity, I have a regular 2000 series GPU and instead bought a 7800X3D until prices come down and will continue my boycott until at least 2024. The situation CAN be changed and the war is not lost people just have to learn to wait and demand a fair price and they have to sell to us or go bankrupt we will not lose anything but they can lose a lot.

[Skkooomer Lord]

Originally posted by AmaiAmai:

All I can do is laugh because it's sad. I am glad the games I play aren't demanding.

S******** is going to be a nice show if they don't get it together. Such a shame. 2023 is a massive disappointment and I don't know how PC gamers will act when these newer games come out with poor performance.

Imagine paying 70 for 30FPS on a 4090...Oh my god...let me shut up.

My 7900 XT don't struggle with any game at 1440P, runs Battlefield 2042 at 175-260 FPS maxed out.
Though you need a good CPU, 5800x3D or better for these cards, I run the 3D chip with fast RAM.

[r.linder]

Originally posted by Rod:

Originally posted by 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Yeah because blaming consumers for corporate decisions made despite them knowing the backlash that will ensue changes anything

Consumers are in total control of the pricing and twice were warned. The first warning was when they tried selling monitors that were 1440p 27inch for 899 when 24 inch 1080p was around 300. I called out forced overselling and warned that a doubling of pricing was going to be permament if they made the mistake. And lo and behold many a gamer bought a high priced 1440p panel. And now the standard pricing for 1440p 240hz is 1000 dollars lol. Who did that? Gamers and now many manufacturers abandoned 24 inch and now they are all in the market for bigger panels as bigger panels mean more profit margin. The result? CEOs win a game of chicken and now forced upselling of expensive high profit 1440p panels is the market norm. All gamers had to do was say no and wait as some of these products thier manufacturerd for half the MSRP lol!


As for the graphics card segment, The same happened we warned against buying 2080 super and 3000 series and now the gamers have instead of waiting for prices to fall simply bought them as thier excuse was i needed a gpu. Define need when by paying that price it sent a signal to the Nvidia CEO that gamers have too much cash and too little patience to play a game of chicken and so they increased prices and gave less generational performance uplift and gamers still bought them. So they must be thinking wow, These gamers thier so desperate and will pay anything so we should capitalize on this and they are and so enjoy 4000 series being the new normal. Who to thank? The nearest 3000/4000 series owner.


PS for clarity, I have a regular 2000 series GPU and instead bought a 7800X3D until prices come down and will continue my boycott until at least 2024. The situation CAN be changed and the war is not lost people just have to learn to wait and demand a fair price and they have to sell to us or go bankrupt we will not lose anything but they can lose a lot.

Can’t blame people for not noticing warnings from nobodies on the internet. A lot of topics preached by major tech journalists with millions of viewers go unnoticed.

What you’re doing is shifting blame to consumers alone for supposedly enabling that behaviour, but it’s a fault of the entire system we live under that allows greedy corporations to price hike in the first place. Stop attacking your fellow consumers and focus your hate on the corporations, if you attack consumers, they’re just going to ignore you because all you do is discredit yourself when you basically call everyone idiots for buying an Nvidia video card.

[lailaamell]

Got a 3060ti have no need to upgrade but probly will be unable to play most newer games due the low amouth vram 3060ti got

[r.linder]

Makes more sense to buy a 6700-XT because it's faster, has 12GB VRAM, and it's in the same price range. Not like either are particularly good with raytracing regardless and Radeon is better price/performance when it comes to the typical raster style of rendering.

[lailaamell]

Originally posted by 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Makes more sense to buy a 6700-XT because it's faster, has 12GB VRAM, and it's in the same price range. Not like either are particularly good with raytracing regardless and Radeon is better price/performance when it comes to the typical raster style of rendering.

3060ti cant really handle raytracing it pretty muchs cuts performance in half so of the 2 i think the 6700 xt can do it better vram is better than speed

[r.linder]

Originally posted by lailaamell95:

Originally posted by 尺．し工几句ヨ尺:

Makes more sense to buy a 6700-XT because it's faster, has 12GB VRAM, and it's in the same price range. Not like either are particularly good with raytracing regardless and Radeon is better price/performance when it comes to the typical raster style of rendering.

3060ti cant really handle raytracing it pretty muchs cuts performance in half so of the 2 i think the 6700 xt can do it better vram is better than speed

Nah AMD is statistically worse in RT in almost every instance but my point was that the lower end cards just aren't well suited for most RT titles, though a 3060 Ti would be fine for minecraft RTX

[carl]

https://youtu.be/5hQW6XZd8NY

https://youtu.be/F7ehpiBaudI

[Bob the Boomer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ae7XrIbmao&t=10s

3060 beats the 4060 at 1440p in Resident Evil 4, impressive