RTX 4060, slower than a 3060Ti

[Cathulhu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS0sfOb_sVM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0srjKOOR4g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmcrikP7ALA

This thing is a waste of money and rare metals.

Man, the time where nVidia made actually good cards are really over, huh? Unless you want ABSOLUTE HIGH END. That's where nVidia still rules, but below high end? Not a good value proposition.

[Supafly]

Watched some of those earlier. Not that I planned to upgrade to this gen but at this rate I'll end up going AMD. Hell I'd consider Intel if they have better cards by then

[Cathulhu]

Indeed, i have a 3070Ti and don't feel the need yet, but for the first time, i'm actually looking at getting an AMD videocard next.

[Supafly]

MSI 3070 Ti Gaming X Trio here. Bit more Ram would be nice but not like I'll be running 4k maxed so 8GB will do

Can't remember the last AMD card I used. Just remember the drivers being atrocious so stuck to Nvidia for 2 decades

[Viking2121]

Not that I need a new GPU, but thats terrible Nvidia!

I got a deal on the 3090ti, but yeah I have to agree, AMD still is a vary good for the price, but also is Nvidia's 30 series to some degree., still far to many e-sellers wanting a kidney for some 30 series.

[Cathulhu]

Same here. Had at one time an AMD videocard and the driver was just ... simply terrible. Must have been around 2009 or 2010.

And i've already managed to max out VRAM of the 3070Ti at 1080p in Diablo 4, so yeah. There's that.

[Overseer]

People celebrate it as better than the 3060 but all i see is a 4050 with the wrong name.

[nullable]

It just makes we wonder if the age of easy performance increases is over. Because when you look at the highend cards the reason why they're high end is because they're ever more monstrous in size, in every meaning of the word. Not because the next generation of manufacturing or die shrinks yields a huge leap in performance, or reduces costs.

I want to believe there's more to it than, "Nvidia boooooo!" So I'm trying to keep an open mind.

And it's not like making GPU's is easy. After all, who is eating Nvidia's lunch exactly? What's the awesome $299 AMD card?

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-radeon-rx-7600-review

I mean does this read much different than 4060 vs 3060 ti? On the surface I don't think so. So is there some kind of GPU maker conspiracy to cripple midrange hardware? Or is the issue more detailed and complicated than just stupidity and greed?

And to further that along, the last 15-20 years where hardware got really cheap and really powerful and each release offered huge improvements across the entire product line, what if that wasn't a permanent status quo? And now we're back to, "you want double the performance, it's double the price", because that's what it costs at the moment?

Were we spoiled? Are we going to have to adjust to a new reality? I dunno. But I wouldn't be surprised that trends we grew accustomed to were transient.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

I still believe it has to do with Nvidia trying to pawn off the 4070ti as a 4080 last year. This basically ruined their whole 4k series stack.

[nullable]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

I still believe it has to do with Nvidia trying to pawn off the 4070ti as a 4080 last year. This basically ruined their whole 4k series stack.

:qr:

Yeah, it didn't help. But I still think looking at the GPU landscape as a whole it tells us something. If underwhelming midrange hardware is an Nivida problem, one wonders why the RX 7600 is barely an upgrade over a RX 6650XT. Where's all the stellar options from Intel and AMD?

If no one is producing significantly improved midrange hardware, is it some kind of GPU industry conspiracy, or are we seeing the consequences of future performance increase just not being that cheap?

And how do you lay that out to consumers. "Hey guys, performance gains aren't cheap anymore. Sorry. But get used to it." There will be conspiracy theories and denial, and even if you accept it, there's no reason to be happy about it, even if it's the reality we're stuck with.

I'm open to other options. I'm just not buying "AMD/Nvidia 'figured out' they can just charge more and not improve performance" arguments, or other wholly self-serving arguments that the only explanation is avarice, laziness or whatever. I could be falling into the trap of contrary public opinion, but I'm not convinced yet.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

They both have really separated the high end from the low end with small increments between the stack on each end while the mid tier is basically SOL with gimped VRAM and BUS sizes.

[Supafly]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

I still believe it has to do with Nvidia trying to pawn off the 4070ti as a 4080 last year. This basically ruined their whole 4k series stack.

:qr:

If it wasn't for tech tubers saying the weaker 4080 was more like a 4070 Ti Nvidia may have never re-branded it as a 4070 Ti. They should have just said it was more like a 4070.

[cSg|mc-Hotsauce]

Originally posted by Supafly:

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

I still believe it has to do with Nvidia trying to pawn off the 4070ti as a 4080 last year. This basically ruined their whole 4k series stack.

If it wasn't for tech tubers saying the weaker 4080 was more like a 4070 Ti Nvidia may have never re-branded it as a 4070 Ti. They should have just said it was more like a 4070.

4060ti...

[r.linder]

The 4060 Ti was barely better than the 3060 Ti, so why would the 4060 be anywhere near that

[Supafly]

Originally posted by cSg|mc-Hotsauce:

Originally posted by Supafly:

If it wasn't for tech tubers saying the weaker 4080 was more like a 4070 Ti Nvidia may have never re-branded it as a 4070 Ti. They should have just said it was more like a 4070.

4060ti...

:cgpout:

Or that but definitely no better than a 4070.

[Slav Mcgopnik]

Nvidia's 40 series is really embarrassingly bad and they're only really bailed out by AMD dropping the ball yet again with their lower/mid grade GPUs.

the 4060 is a rebranded 4050
the 4070 and 4070ti are super weak for their price given you can get a 7900xt for the same price.
the 4080 is okay but way too expensive
and the 4090 is amazing in terms of quality but costs nearly 2000 dollars.

Had AMD not flopped with their own entry level card, this may have actually bit Nvidia in the ass.