western digital v.s. seagate HDDs

[kingjames488]

talking about storage drives here, so no need to suggest an SSD...

in terms of reliability for storage which do you prefer?

personally I've never had a seagate drive fail on me, and had one WD external fail soon after getting it.

how about you?

[Illusion of Progress]

_I_ eredeti hozzászólása:

hgst is toshiba, they still make drives

Everything I'm finding says Western Digital acquired them over a decade ago, and that they were able to operate independently until around 2015, and then were integrated and the name phased out in 2018.

So anything you see with that name is from 2018 or earlier would be my guess, and this seems to make sense. Trying to look up H.G.S.T. models to source the claim made of "super cheap" was turning up one of two things; either expensive listings that were probably leftover from the market back around 2018, or used (sometimes listed as refurbished/refnewed) drives. I don't think the name has been used formally for around five years. They still "make" stuff, in a way but it will be under the Western Digital branding now if anything.

Talby eredeti hozzászólása:

over the years I have accumulated about 2 dozen dead HDDs on my shelf - 15 of them are seagate

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How many years? Like 10 or 15? Or are you talking more like 30 or more? If it's not a really long time frame than I must be lucky, as in around twenty years, I've had only one confirmed failure, and it was entirely my doing, and another that the jury is forever out on (not sure if the drive was having issues or it was the OS, and I'll never know as I just replaced it with an SSD).

I've used far more Western Digital than anything else, but used a few Seagate, Samsung, and others. I've had no actual HDD (or even SSD) failure... yet. My oldest drives were two trios of 640 GB Blues from late 2007/early 2008 (two were still old enough to be called "Caviar SE" and the other two took the "Blue" name when Western Digital introduced it around then), and I used them up until around 2020. I still have two and they still worked fine until then. I don't have the other two but they also worked fine until around the same time.

[_I_]

i have a pile of 2.5in wd and seagate drives from xbox ones, that are dead
just from the hours of spin up/downs and power on hours
the way xbone treats them is terrible, never really shutting off, just sleep/wake the drive every few minutes

[Talby]

Illusion of Progress eredeti hozzászólása:

...How many years? Like 10 or 15? Or are you talking more like 30 or more?...

well over 30 years, even a couple of MFM in that pile, and a mix of 20g+ on the sata and IDE types - good times!

[Talby]

_I_ eredeti hozzászólása:

i have a pile of 2.5in wd and seagate drives from xbox ones, that are dead
just from the hours of spin up/downs and power on hours
the way xbone treats them is terrible, never really shutting off, just sleep/wake the drive every few minutes

this is a good point - on all my WD green and reds, I set the sleep timeout from the default 8 seconds to at least 5 minutes, greatly extends the life of the drive.

[Illusion of Progress]

Sadly, no pre-SATA, pre-DDR generation RAM, drives or systems here anymore.

I sort of miss them for nostalgia sake but the practical side of me doesn't have the patience or space for a ton of PCs or PC stuff laying around. Not that partial to hardware. Just want it around only if I'm using it to do stuff. So it's just my main PC and a HTPC connected to a TV.

I have a few extras besides that, like some old hard drives and an old CPU, but they all fit with the boxes I keep of stuff I'm currently using for either potential warranty or resale purposes, so they don't necessarily take up any extra room. And even that takes up more room than I want these days, haha.

[Introverted Gamer]

Illusion of Progress eredeti hozzászólása:

Sadly, no pre-SATA, pre-DDR generation RAM, drives or systems here anymore.

I sort of miss them for nostalgia sake but the practical side of me doesn't have the patience or space for a ton of PCs or PC stuff laying around. Not that partial to hardware. Just want it around only if I'm using it to do stuff. So it's just my main PC and a HTPC connected to a TV.

I have a few extras besides that, like some old hard drives and an old CPU, but they all fit with the boxes I keep of stuff I'm currently using for either potential warranty or resale purposes, so they don't necessarily take up any extra room. And even that takes up more room than I want these days, haha.

I still got Old IDE/PATA Drives and DDR2 laying around from my family old PC around early 2000s era. Remember CD-ROM? The ultimate cup holder

[[N]ebsun]

Had a whole batch of Seagate drives that were all part of the firmware issue they had 10+ years ago... one of them died (which is how I found out about the issue in the first place), and there was a free firmware upgrade - but the time-frame was pretty short and would have had to go and spend my own time to get it done.. never did it, and just bought a bunch of Western Digital drives that still have not failed. That alone put me off from Seagate for life.

[_I_]

i had an old quantum bigfoot 5.25 hdd that had firmware issues, it would randomly unpartition itself about every year
good times

[kingjames488]

JohnMars78 eredeti hozzászólása:

_I_ eredeti hozzászólása:

hgst is toshiba, they still make drives

Hitachi is definitely not Toshiba, mister.

sounds like a drive that would vibrate a lot...

[Lord Flashheart]

It is about the right part for the job.
On my main machine, it is dual boot linux/windows for gaming & general use.
All SSD based storage.

Also an older machine as a home server.
On there are hard drives for storage. Specifically a TrueNAS virtual machine uses hard drives.
I use WD Red CMR drives, which are apparently
suited to a NAS.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

There are sales right now as well.
1TB ssds under 70$
2TB ssds at around 150$
4TB sdds at around 300$
On Newegg and Amazon

And I just seen a Seagate 18TB SATA HDD for under 300$ on Newegg

[Illusion of Progress]

Yeah, storage is really cheap right now (SSDs in particular).

You can actually get 2 TB SSDs even cheaper than you listed. That's just the price for the good ones.

[Bad 💀 Motha]

Yes there are ones like ADATA or TeamGroup for slightly cheaper.

But also the prices I listed are for WD and Samsung NVME.

But the Samsung 870 EVO SATA 4TB for like 299 isn't too bad

[Illusion of Progress]

No that's not a bad price at all. Even though that's a SATA drive it's not too bad.

The Western Digital SN850X are basically $99 for 1 TB, $159 for 2 TB, and $399 for 4 TB. I jumped on the middle option when Western Digital was offering a "buy two, save more" and got a pair of them for $139.99 each (if only both were currently working in my system...).

I think the Black SN770, while older and slower, is $60 for the 1 TB. Even some 2 TB drives are flirting with $100 which is crazy. Prices are SUPER cheap these last few months on SSDs. It's nice.

[kingjames488]

I'm kinda shocked that the prices haven't come down much in the past 2 decades THB... I remember being able to pick up a 1TB mybook for $99 in like 2005.